[brucewaynegretzky]

And there are legal solutions to that and don't effect your job. Or have you never heard of a civil suit.

Just for verbal abuse? First of all, I don't get why you have to put that cost on the woman, when the company can easily fix it. Second, that's hardly a clear cut case if it's just verbal harassment.

[Matt]

Absolutely insane. Broadband networks are utilities, they don't have speech rights.

Can electric companies deny power to devices they disagree with (for whatever reason)?

[blame space]

Just for verbal abuse? First of all, I don't get why you have to put that cost on the woman, when the company can easily fix it. Second, that's hardly a clear cut case if it's just verbal harassment.

this is a joke right

[brucewaynegretzky]

this is a joke right

You think a guy going up and asking a girl out incessantly and just being generally overbearing is going to warrant a civil suit for harassment? Sometimes? Sure. It's hardly all the time. A lot of people are "harassed" without rising to a level of legal harassment. Welcome to the real world. And what do you think damages are? Even if the woman wins is it going to fix the work environment? What if it makes the woman less productive? And she's the more valuable employee?

Companies need flexibility in this area probably more than any other. You want to protect your job try and negotiate a "for cause" standard. You won't get the job. It's not worth it for them. In fact, it's really often cited as one of the reasons public employees make less than their counterparts in the private sector.

[blame space]

Companies need flexibility in this area probably more than any other.

yeah! i'm convinced.

[Dead Man]

Absolutely insane. Broadband networks are utilities, they don't have speech rights. Can electric companies deny power to devices they disagree with (for whatever reason)?

Of course. Corporations ARE people, my friend.

[Cyan]

Personally I'd say the law is right on this one. Particularly if we're talking about what SHOULD be the law, since if you want to take broad strokes like "You can say whatever you want so long as it isn't at work." The number of ridiculous situations that's gonna create are insane. I'm imagining hundreds of women around the country forced to work with men who harass them outside of work, just off the top of my head.

I don't think I ever made that sort of broad stroke. But certainly to my intuition, it seems obviously wrong that you can be fired for something as wholly unrelated to your job as random photos on Facebook.

I think that essentially, while I see what you're getting at, I trust corporations to not abuse at-will employment far less than I trust people to not abuse the lack thereof.

Man, I edited that sentence like three times and it's still convoluted.

[Mudkips]

Well, corporations are people.

It's not like Obama would disagree.

[Matt]

It's not like Obama would disagree.

...?

The President strongly disagrees with that statement. So does the vast majority of the Democratic party.

[Copernicus]

This is what verizon is trying to get ahead of by proclaiming their "rights" over their network.

The resolution says that all people should be allowed to connect to and express themselves freely on the Internet. All 47 members of the Human Rights Council, including notoriously censorship-prone countries such as China and Cuba, signed the resolution.

http://mashable.com/2012/07/06/internet-human-right/

[Duane Cunningham]

if Google and Apple both decided that they don't have the money or Manpower..and Lightsquared was litigated to death over spectrum for a dedicated broadband 4G network... it ain't happening for you or anyone. the only way is if legislation is passed that severely checks Verizon/AT&T et al into a tightly regulated market. and any politician with an (R) or (D) next to their name won't do that or be labeled a "job killer" by those corporate interests. if they even had a basic understanding of this technology anyway. so no, it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Wait, Google hasn't scrapped plans to hang wire and get into the isp game. It's happening right now, a few blocks away from here.

[skinnyrattler]

You guys should read this Verge article: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/5/313...tion-editorial The day a company with as much cash as Apple decides that they don't want to deal with the likes of Verizon, is the day carriers will start shitting bricks. Carriers and ISPs are stifling innovation, while at the same time protecting their business model and squeezing your wallet. Fuck off Verizon!!

There is no way in hell, Palm was alive in 2009.

[Buddha Beam]

Verizon can go fuck themselves. They only do what they do because they lease the public spectrum from us taxpayers. They don't like it? Fuck off and go out of business already. Fucking dinosaurs.

[AlanzTalon]

Wait, Google hasn't scrapped plans to hang wire and get into the isp game. It's happening right now, a few blocks away from here.

it is in one city. and they have made no commitment to creating a new "ISP" and running fiber all over the US.

and even if they did, municipalities would have to agree to allow them to dig new trenches, use existing poles, use existing conduit. and the incumbents are already putting lawmakers and laws in place to make that politically very difficult. Getting fiber to someone's house is incredibly expensive and difficult. Time Warner isn't going to share easements. many property owners will not let them dig.

The only way we get some kind of next-gen broadband, in my opinion, is through localized OTA...there towns, neighborhoods, etc connect to a high-power cell connection dedicated to data and pay for access to that tower, which is connected directly to high-speed backbone fiber. It is being tried here and there but it is not widespread.

that is the only way to get around the physical barriers to running fiber.

[Duane Cunningham]

how did they get away with it in KC then? Surprise attack before TWC and the others had time to think about it?

[SimleuqiR]

how did they get away with it in KC then? Surprise attack before TWC and the others had time to think about it?

KC wanted it? Many cities went after it, but Google only chose one. Lucky bastards!

[Joates]

According to Verizon, network neutrality rules are "the equivalent of a permanent easement on private broadband networks for the use of others without just compensation."

Can someone help me understand this?

Doesnt Verizon get paid for others to use their network?

What would be this "just compensation" they are apparently looking for?

[Copernicus]

Can someone help me understand this? Doesnt Verizon get paid for others to use their network? What would be this "just compensation" they are apparently looking for?

The just compensation needs to come from the entity doing the regulation, in this case the FCC.