SUPREME1
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Woman accuses Zimmerman of child molestation #1

A woman identified only as Witness 9 tearfully told Florida authorities investigating George Zimmerman for the fatal shooting of an unarmed teen that he molested her for 10 years, starting when she was 6, according to a new round of evidence released Monday.



Originally Posted by USAToday.com:
The woman, who was not a witness to the killing of Trayvon Martin, made her explosive statement to investigators for the state attorney in March, a month after the shooting.

Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder in the killing of Trayvon, 17, who was walking from a store to the home of his father's fiancée. The two got into an altercation that ended with the teen's death on Feb. 26.

He is out on $1 million bond. A judge had revoked his previous $150,000 bond in June when prosecutors showed that Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, tried to hide their assets from the court.

The woman's 27-minute recorded interview is part of evidence released by prosecutor Angela Corey's office.

The woman, who said she is a relative of Zimmerman, recounts incidents that she said began when she was 6 and he was 8. She said the sexual abuse began when she and her sister went to stay with Zimmerman and his family.

She said Zimmerman assaulted her numerous times, groping her with his hands, kissing her, fondling her inside her pants and inserting his fingers in her vagina.

"I wanted to make it stop, but I didn't know how," the woman tearfully told investigators. She said she never said anything about the alleged abuse because she was scared.


Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, had argued that the interview should not be released. O'Mara wrote in a motion that the statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin and would "serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

The woman, whose identity has not been disclosed, said her family and Zimmerman's family were always together.

She said the last incident occurred when she was 16 and they were both in a house his family owned in Lake Mary, Fla. She said he told her to lay on a bed, then laid down next to her and tried to massage her. She said they were clothed, but she said she felt his erection. She said she ran out of the room and house.

The woman said that in 2005, when she was 20, she told her sister that "something happened," but didn't provide details. Her sister told her parents, who confronted Zimmerman. At the time, he allegedly said, "I'm sorry," but they never discussed it further, she said.

Zimmerman's family wanted to sweep everything under the rug, the woman said. The families still got together, but she said Zimmerman stopped attending many of those functions.

She said she came forward now because, "For the first time in my life, I'm not afraid of him."

Attorney Benjamin Crump, lawyer for the Martin family, said Monday "as the state attorney previously stated, she (witness 9) certainly would be a rebuttal witness very similar to that in the Sandusky trial showing that he (Zimmerman) has a history of violence and manipulation. Zimmerman's mentality is very relevant to this trial."

The woman told Sanford police in a telephone interview released in May that Zimmerman and his family are racist against blacks. In that interview, she refused to identify herself.

"Growing up he and his family always made statements that they did not like black people unless they act white," she told police.

But she said she never saw Zimmerman do anything specific that showed he was racist.

Recordings released Monday included 145 phone calls Zimmerman had while in jail.

In one conversation Zimmerman spoke with an unidentified person who told him that Zimmerman's friend and defender Frank Taaffe said that "he has an interested party" who was willing to pay for his legal defense as long as Jose Baez was co-counsel.

Baez represented Casey Anthony, the Florida woman who was tried and acquitted in the 2008 death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, last summer.

Zimmerman quotes O'Mara as saying, "if you want him to be co-counsel just have him be your counsel because I will excuse myself."


Zimmerman in the recording said, "I told him no, absolutely not."
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Juancho9
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#2

I can't even keep track of all the shit thats going on with this case.
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Oh that Zimmerman.
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This came out of left field
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Whether it's true or it's false it's just going to add more attention and coverage to the existing case. Obviously if it IS true I hope he gets tried for it and convicted of it.

Edit: wait, he was 8? Really not relevant to the current case.
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The woman, who said she is a relative of Zimmerman, recounts incidents that she said began when she was 6 and he was 8.
huh how is that child molestation
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The woman, who said she is a relative of Zimmerman, recounts incidents that she said began when she was 6 and he was 8.
Woah, I think I read the anonymous confession in this thread.
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Zimmerman's family wanted to sweep everything under the rug, the woman said.
Well that certainly sounds familiar.
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo: View Post
huh how is that child molestation

One not need be an adult to molest children.
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Right thing to do, not necessarily the right time. Man, this is one of those things where I'm like "people should always come forward with this stuff" but I also recognize the potential issues it poses for the investigation and trial. If the jury convicts could Zimmerman and co make an appeal that their opinions on the case were skewed by this? Or is that not a thing that could happen?
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo: View Post
huh how is that child molestation
She was a child?
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Originally Posted by Gaborn: View Post
Edit: wait, he was 8? Really not relevant to the current case.

There going with this:

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Attorney Benjamin Crump, lawyer for the Martin family, said Monday "as the state attorney previously stated, she (witness 9) certainly would be a rebuttal witness very similar to that in the Sandusky trial showing that he (Zimmerman) has a history of violence and manipulation. Zimmerman's mentality is very relevant to this trial."
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo: View Post
huh how is that child molestation
A child can molest another child.

Also, it went on for 10 years so he would have been 18 and her 16.
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I don't think you can charge an 8 year old of "child molestation" of a 6 year old, can you?
And is this relevant at all to the case?

Edit: already answered while I was typing.
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I'm sure he'll end up blaming her.
GK86
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This dude is an outstanding human being.
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Seems sketchy at first what with the timing and all but kinda makes sense when you see

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She said she came forward now because, "For the first time in my life, I'm not afraid of him."
which the OP didn't bold.
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Originally Posted by Bulbo Urethral Baggins: View Post
I don't think you can charge an 8 year old of "child molestation" of a 6 year old, can you?
And is this relevant at all to the case?

Edit: already answered while I was typing.
You shouldn't be able to but I imagine they could.

It's not relevant at all. It's only coming out of the woodwork because Zimmerman is a hot topic. It (allegedly) happened 21 years ago up until 9 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Bulbo Urethral Baggins: View Post
I don't think you can charge an 8 year old of "child molestation" of a 6 year old, can you?
And is this relevant at all to the case?

Edit: already answered while I was typing.
A 8 year old can't molest a child?
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Originally Posted by Mudkips: View Post
You shouldn't be able to but I imagine they could.

It's not relevant at all. It's only coming out of the woodwork because Zimmerman is a hot topic. It (allegedly) happened 21 years ago up until 9 years ago.
Unbelievable.
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Originally Posted by Bulbo Urethral Baggins: View Post
I don't think you can charge an 8 year old of "child molestation" of a 6 year old, can you?
And is this relevant at all to the case?

Edit: already answered while I was typing.


Don't get caught up on their ages at begining of it. The families were apparently always together.

Ten years of molestations.



Him - Her


18 - 16
17 - 15
16 - 14
15 - 13
14 - 12
13 - 11
12 - 10
11 - 9
10 - 8
9 - 7
8 - 6
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Originally Posted by DoctorWho: View Post
Oh that Zimmerman.
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It went on for 10 years so he would have been 18 and her 16. at the oldest.
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I'm not even going to pretend to be shocked by this case anymore.
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Read the thread title and mistook Zimmerman for Sandusky...
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Zimmerman gonna Zimmer.
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Originally Posted by Gaborn: View Post
Whether it's true or it's false it's just going to add more attention and coverage to the existing case. Obviously if it IS true I hope he gets tried for it and convicted of it.

Edit: wait, he was 8? Really not relevant to the current case.
Not sure what the statute of limitations is, but it's been over 10 years, so I have to imagine that he's safe from prosecution on this.
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Who else thought this thread was about Hans Zimmer for a SPLIT second?
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Yikes... 10 years. What a creepy sick fucker.
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So we are supposed to persecute a grown man for something he did when he was 8, to a girl similar to his age at that time?

Doesn't that seem a bit wacky to anyone else?
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Oh shit.
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
So we are supposed to persecute a grown man for something he did when he was 8, to a girl similar to his age at that time?

Doesn't that seem a bit wacky to anyone else?
And the 10 years that followed afterwards, would be his 8 year old self coming out?
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
So we are supposed to persecute a grown man for something he did from the age of 8 through 18, to a girl similar to his age at that time?

Doesn't that seem a bit wacky to anyone else?


Fixed that for you.
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
So we are supposed to persecute a grown man for something he did when he was 8, to a girl similar to his age at that time?

Doesn't that seem a bit wacky to anyone else?
She claims this went on for 10 years.
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He's been standing his ground for quite a while I take it.
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Sounds like BS to me.

Someone trying to take advantage of the current situation for a profit.
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
So we are supposed to persecute a grown man for something he did when he was 8, to a girl similar to his age at that time?

Doesn't that seem a bit wacky to anyone else?
I don't understand this point of view, it's okay for kids to rape other kids now?
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Originally Posted by GK86: View Post
And the 10 years that followed afterwards, would be his 8 year old self coming out?
From the article it doesn't even sound like she told him to stop or said no. It simply says she didn't know how to stop it or say no...

So maybe he took it as consensual? Seems like we are finding the guy guilty by hearsay alone.
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
From the article it doesn't even sound like she told him to stop or said no. It simply says she didn't know how to stop it or say no...

So maybe he took it as consensual? Seems like we are finding the guy guilty by hearsay alone.
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She said the last incident occurred when she was 16 and they were both in a house his family owned in Lake Mary, Fla. She said he told her to lay on a bed, then laid down next to her and tried to massage her. She said they were clothed, but she said she felt his erection. She said she ran out of the room and house.
Sounds like no to me.
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She did the freaking interview in March.

Before this all blew up.
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Originally Posted by Loudninja: View Post
She did the freaking interview in March.

Before this all blew up.
It blew up day one.


Originally Posted by Kurtofan: View Post
I don't understand this point of view, it's okay for kids to rape other kids now?
He raped her?
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If it went on for 10 years, then I assume he raped her when she was 16 and he was 18?

I mean, it's messed up, but it doesn't sound like there was much of a struggle at any point and he wasn't that much older.

Still sick what kids get up to, but you'd be surprised.
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Originally Posted by Loudninja: View Post
She did the freaking interview in March.

Before this all blew up.


PEOPLE NEED TO READ THIS POST, OR THE RELEVANT INFO IN THE OP.
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Originally Posted by Half and half: View Post
Sounds like no to me.
So finally after 10 years of letting him do it, not stopping him or saying no...running out of the house without a word makes the last 10 years of their fooling around "rape"?

Really?
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Originally Posted by Loudninja: View Post
She did the freaking interview in March.

Before this all blew up.
Ah ok.

Still think its frivolous though at the ages we are talking and the amount of time that has passed.
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
So finally after 10 years of letting him do it, not stopping him or saying no...running out of the house without a word makes the last 10 years of their fooling around "rape"?

Really?
Are you an idiot? Not saying "no" means "yes?" Are you REALLY defending his behavior? smh
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I wonder how many times she orgasmed from these experiences?

It is interesting that asking such a question would be considered taboo but on the other hand, we are simply supposed to take her accusation as fact and people are already finding the man guilty based on practically nothing.
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Originally Posted by foodtaster: View Post
Are you an idiot? Not saying "no" means "yes?" Are you REALLY defending his behavior? smh
Letting him do it and likely moaning from enjoyment means no? Or are we supposed to assume she was crying and yelling everything but stop to him?
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
So finally after 10 years of letting him do it, not stopping him or saying no...running out of the house without a word makes the last 10 years of their fooling around "rape"?

Really?
You really shouldn't be going down this line of reasoning.

Do you really think it's not sexual assault if the victim is unaware of the crime, doesn't understand that it's not normal, and doesn't know if she can even stop it from happening?

Having it start from a very young age compounds all of the above, to a point where it might remain as part of a mental block to stop him even at an older age.
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Originally Posted by Walsh: View Post
I wonder how many times she orgasmed from these experiences?

It is interesting that asking such a question would be considered taboo but on the other hand, we are simply supposed to take her accusation as fact and people are already finding the man guilty based on practically nothing.
Are you pulling my leg?

Whether he's guilty or not, let's not trivialize abuse.