[MIMIC]

Well this sure is random....

[Eric Walton]

Isn't it obvious? Because he thinks if someone orgasms they could not have been raped. But he's too silly to actually think about what he's typing.... The biggest problem with his post to me was not only that but she was raped from 6-16. Just think about what walsh is implying and think about her age. Seriously effed up.

I didn't want to take this further but that is where my mind went. "Yes ma'am, this relationship started when you were six, but at any point in the last decade did you have an orgasm?"

that would change everything. jesus, walsh...

[MThanded]

[Lambtron]

That comment was not condoning rape. I was insinuating that the sex could have very well been consensual...experimenting for children is a common occurrence...and regret for these acts (especially with family members) are equally as common. Living with this guilt is then countered with actions like accusation of rape instead of facing the truth.

Yeah, because pressing rape charges is awesome for the survivor. Shitheads like you suggest "oh, well, maybe she just changed her mind and it was all just a lie to make herself feel better about it."

Do you assume when someone says their car was stolen that it was "alleged" robbery? Do you assume when someone says they were punched and are pressing assault charges that they hit themselves or something? I bet you fucking don't.

[GK86]

Mods don't Fuck around. <3

[mre]

True. Didn't really read the OP. Just making a comment.

Under Florida's current laws, I think part of the acts would be considered a life felony which have no statute of limitations. We'd have to examine Florida's laws as they looked over the years to completely answer the question. See 794.011 and 775.15 of the FL statutes.

[MCDogDoo]

So Walsh is probably a rapist, right?

[Eric Walton]

lol I haven't seen that EviLore gif


I was kind of hoping someone would blacksnakemoanize Mark Wahlberg from The Departed where he shows up at the end, kills Matt Damon? and just walks out

edit: @MCDog, despite all of his insanity you probably shouldn't say that

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Today I learn't that saying it's OK to rape a 6 year old so long as they orgasm is a stupid thing to do.

So Walsh is probably a rapist, right?

Not if they orgasmed.

[vas_a_morir]

So Walsh is probably a rapist, right?

Don't. This isn't youtube.

[TheSeks]

Oh that Zimmerman.

My reaction. I thought this was the CEO of the Men's Warehouse and basically came in with popcorn for scandals. :(

[MIMIC]

So finally after 10 years of letting him do it, not stopping him or saying no...running out of the house without a word makes the last 10 years of their fooling around "rape"? Really?

Well-deserved ban.

[Dark Octave]

You really shouldn't be going down this line of reasoning. Do you really think it's not sexual assault if the victim is unaware of the crime, doesn't understand that it's not normal, and doesn't know if she can even stop it from happening? Having it start from a very young age compounds all of the above, to a point where it might remain as part of a mental block to stop him even at an older age.

If he was a child himself, doesn't that put him in the same category as her? Too young to fully understand exactly what he was doing? I don't want to assume I know their background, but I imagine kids experiment all the time and mimic what they see on TV or their parents' actions. Maybe when he got older it could be a death sentence, but I honestly don't know if I can hold him accountable as an adult for something he did as a child.

[Dreams-Visions]

This dude is an outstanding human being.

we need to set up a GAF donation fund for his defense against all these baseless conspiratorial attacks.

[Mumei]

If he was a child himself, doesn't that put him in the same category as her? Too young to fully understand exactly what he was doing? I don't want to assume I know their background, but I imagine kids experiment all the time and mimic what they see on TV or their parents' actions. Maybe when he got older it could be a death sentence, but I honestly don't know if I can hold him accountable as an adult for something he did as a child.

You would be shocked and appalled at some of the things children as young as first grade, even kindergarten and younger, have been found to be doing to their classmates in ways that were sexually abusive and not merely innocent exploration.

[MThanded]

woops wrong place

[SquiddyCracker]

If he was a child himself, doesn't that put him in the same category as her? Too young to fully understand exactly what he was doing? I don't want to assume I know their background, but I imagine kids experiment all the time and mimic what they see on TV or their parents' actions. Maybe when he got older it could be a death sentence, but I honestly don't know if I can hold him accountable as an adult for something he did as a child.

Sure that is also possible, which is why I'm not going to want him stringed up for what he did as a kid.
But 16 and forward and he is fair game.

Or he was just a rotten and sadist child.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/16...ars-on-the-job

This post cracked me up.

[vas_a_morir]

Who is really running that town, though?

[zoku88]

^ Wrong thread? XD Out of place-ness made me laugh.

Anyway, 10 years is such a long time. It's sometimes surprising how cruel little kids growing up can be.

[Korey]

If he was a child himself, doesn't that put him in the same category as her? Too young to fully understand exactly what he was doing? I don't want to assume I know their background, but I imagine kids experiment all the time and mimic what they see on TV or their parents' actions. Maybe when he got older it could be a death sentence, but I honestly don't know if I can hold him accountable as an adult for something he did as a child.

You're not allowed to assault people at any age.

[EatinOlives]

Attorney Benjamin Crump, lawyer for the Martin family, said Monday "as the state attorney previously stated, she (witness 9) certainly would be a rebuttal witness very similar to that in the Sandusky trial showing that he (Zimmerman) has a history of violence and manipulation. Zimmerman's mentality is very relevant to this trial." In the op.

That...still isn't relevant at all to the case. Of course the lawyer is going to want to bring it up, but it's not really relevant. Their case is strong enough as it is that they really shouldn't be resorting to mindless shit-flinging.

[The Faceless Master]

hrm, if she was 6 and he was 8 when this started, there's probably a good chance the he was also sexually molested at an even younger age... that can really mess with someone's head for life if true...

[FStop7]

She did the freaking interview in March. Before this all blew up.

This should be in flashing red letters in the OP.

[Gaborn]

This should be in flashing red letters in the OP.

It's still more prejudicial than probative though. I mean... ok, suppose that someone is accused of reckless manslaughter for killing someone while drunk driving. Suppose that it turns out the person on trial is also a convicted child molester who raped 3 5 year olds. Should the judge allow their prior bad acts to be admissible to the trial?

I would say (and I'm pretty sure the judge would say) no because there really isn't any connection between the prior bad act and the crime he's accused of today and it would tend to make the jury want to convict him based on the HORRIFIC crime he had previously committed. In this case it's even more difficult because whether Zimmerman is guilty of this or not there were no charges filed in the case and it's essentially an accusation after the fact. So the probative value is likely outweighed by the prejudicial effect this testimony would have on the jury.

[Devolution]

I wonder how many times she orgasmed from these experiences? It is interesting that asking such a question would be considered taboo but on the other hand, we are simply supposed to take her accusation as fact and people are already finding the man guilty based on practically nothing.

I know you're banned but rape victims can orgasm. That's not a measure of it being consensual. Ugh.

[The Technomancer]

It's still more prejudicial than probative though. I mean... ok, suppose that someone is accused of reckless manslaughter for killing someone while drunk driving. Suppose that it turns out the person on trial is also a convicted child molester who raped 3 5 year olds. Should the judge allow their prior bad acts to be admissible to the trial? I would say (and I'm pretty sure the judge would say) no because there really isn't any connection between the prior bad act and the crime he's accused of today and it would tend to make the jury want to convict him based on the HORRIFIC crime he had previously committed. In this case it's even more difficult because whether Zimmerman is guilty of this or not there were no charges filed in the case and it's essentially an accusation after the fact. So the probative value is likely outweighed by the prejudicial effect this testimony would have on the jury.

This is basically where I was at prior to finding out that this was back in March. Now that I know that this was around before the whole Martin thing happened I'm very unsure how to feel about it. How much of a defendants past should we try to excise from the trial in the name of making sure that everything is considered in the proper context? That line seems incredibly blurry.

[Gaborn]

This is basically where I was at prior to finding out that this was back in March. Now that I know that this was around before the whole Martin thing even went down I'm very unsure how to feel about it

Let me say I feel horrible about it too, I still don't think it gets in for the reason I stated. My understanding is prior bad acts are relevant mostly when they relate to the crime at hand, and even then I'd think the fact he was never charged for this situation or even accused before March of THIS year weighs against it coming into this trial.

[KHarvey16]

This is basically where I was at prior to finding out that this was back in March. Now that I know that this was around before the whole Martin thing happened I'm very unsure how to feel about it. How much of a defendants past should we try to excise from the trial in the name of making sure that everything is considered in the proper context? That line seems so blurry that it almost doesn't exist.

Legally it's pretty well defined in most instances.

[FStop7]

This is basically where I was at prior to finding out that this was back in March. Now that I know that this was around before the whole Martin thing happened I'm very unsure how to feel about it. How much of a defendants past should we try to excise from the trial in the name of making sure that everything is considered in the proper context? That line seems so blurry that it almost doesn't exist.

I'm not a lawyer but I have watched a lot of Law & Order. Based on my extensive viewing experience I think it would be disallowed as prejudicial.

dun dun

[The Technomancer]

Legally it's pretty well defined in most instances.

Yeah, I'm pretty clueless about law in situations like this. My gut is that it shouldn't be allowed to have a bearing on the case, but at the same time I have a hard time saying its wrong for any of the jurors know about this.

[BobLoblaw]

Zimmerman's already been proven to be both an aggressive, violent asshole and a liar. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this turned out to be true since the guy's obviously a piece of shit.

[DY_nasty]

The timing of this is just so shitty.

Also, fuck Walsh.

[Big Baybee]

This thread was a great read. lol My god.

[KHarvey16]

Yeah, I'm pretty clueless about law in situations like this. My gut is that it shouldn't be allowed to have a bearing on the case, but at the same time I have a hard time saying its wrong for any of the jurors know about this.

Well, I think a separate trial for each, assuming the info posted about the lack of limitations on some of the accusations is correct, would be a morally and legally clean way of dealing with it.

[theignoramus]

I just think back to a few months ago when the right was defaming Trayvon for ebonics twitter posts and facebook pics. (one of which was a fraud)

In the meantime, their righteous cause perjured himself and gets accused of sexual assault.
the karma of it.

[Cat Party]

Like I said above, there is no way this gets in. If they want to try him for the alleged sexual abuse, they can, but this evidence will never make it in on the murder trial. It's not even a close question under the rules of evidence. Those of you with "gut reactions" are right.

[JCreasy]

Yup.

I wonder how all those folks who donated to his "defense fund" feel now?

They should be sick as shit knowing they donated to a creep like this.

Have ya'll heard the audio recording of Witness 9's testimony????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxBSU...d&noredirect=1

[Mammoth Jones]

You would be shocked and appalled at some of the things children as young as first grade, even kindergarten and younger, have been found to be doing to their classmates in ways that were sexually abusive and not merely innocent exploration.

I'm not excusing Zimmermans actions in the slightest since this went on for ten fucking years. But from what I understand about child on child abuse...many many times the sexually forward/abusive child is acting out abuse that was done to them by an adult. I remember reading that multiple times.

If so, I don't think that factors too much into it for Zim since he went on with this for ten years.

Ugh....just ugh.

[Riggs]

Wow this came out of left field like a mofo.

[ErasureAcer]

Yup. I wonder how all those folks who donated to his "defense fund" feel now? They should be sick as shit knowing they donated to a creep like this. Have ya'll heard the audio recording of Witness 9's testimony???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxBSU...d&noredirect=1

I have now thanks to you. Dude is scum and sounds like he always has been.

Reading comments it looks like this lady was Zimmerman's cousin. That kinda makes sense why their families kept interacting with each other once the parents learned of it.

[FStop7]

I'm not excusing Zimmermans actions in the slightest since this went on for ten fucking years. But from what I understand about child on child abuse...many many times the sexually forward/abusive child is acting out abuse that was done to them by an adult. I remember reading that multiple times. If so, I don't think that factors too much into it for Zim since he went on with this for ten years. Ugh....just ugh.

A definite possibility, but GZ grew up and the concepts of or at least the awareness of morality took shape - and yet the the abuse allegedly continued until he was 18 years old. By then you are long since fully aware of the differences between right and wrong. It's ugly, very ugly.

Now this is getting REALLY speculative, but I also can't help but wonder if Zim's hyper vigilance and compulsion to be the neighborhood watchdog came from having been helplessly victimized. Or, perhaps it comes from his being an abuser and having lost control of his victim, he felt the need to put the entire neighborhood under his perceived control. Who knows. In my opinion he killed someone unjustly, he deceived the court about his finances, and he has no place in the outside world. 30 years sounds about right, I hope that's what he gets. If it turns out the abuse allegations can be prosecuted then I hope he never sees the light of day again.

[ChuyMasta]

Damn. This thread already took a victim....

Scary.

[theignoramus]

Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, who first sought to block the release of Witness 9’s statement on June 18, called the allegations irrelevant to the case and inadmissible in court. Mr. O’Mara said the statement should have been withheld from the public because it would lead to “widespread hostile publicity” and would taint Mr. Zimmerman’s right to a fair trial. He said he would “vigorously defend” Mr. Zimmerman against the allegations and file counterstatements in the coming weeks. Mr. O’Mara also sought to block the release of another tape in which the same witness describes Mr. Zimmerman’s family as routinely disparaging black people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/us...molesting.html

LOL. I'm sorry, but I just cant help but feel a certain amount of satisfaction in this guy looking like more and more of a scumbag. I love that the people who defaulted to the worst assumptions about a black teenager will feel dumber and dumber for rallying around this guy.

[johnsmith]

The people who donated to this guy are just going to say this woman is lying and will keep defending him, just like Walsh.

[theignoramus]

There's no doubt the asshole lied under oath though.
And I'm listening to Witness 9's audio right now she sounds pretty convincing. either that or she's a very good actor and well practised liar.

[Mammoth Jones]

The people who donated to this guy are just going to say this woman is lying and will keep defending him, just like Walsh.

No, they'll just say it's in no way shape or form relevant to the case and skip past it.

Just like they skip past everything except Trayvon "The Ninja Assassin" Martin ambushing innocent ole Zimmerman while he's checking street signs and screaming "You got me!" as he gets shot in the heart...

[Half and half]

Zimmerman must be the unluckiest guy in the world.

He's got cops trying to falsely arrest him, so he must resist. Then there are scary black kids jumping out of bushes at him, so he's forced to stand his ground. Now, someone is accusing him of molestation.

What bad luck...or he's a humongous asshole. People really gonna keep defending this guy?

[Eric Walton]

just finished the full audio..

far from a fan of bloodthirst-gaf, but I'm very tired. Immediate, purely emotional reaction: George Zimmerman is an irredeemable person. He has damaged another person beyond repair and killed another. I desperately want to be locked inside of a windowless room with him.

[Daydream Sequence]

Listened to that audio too. George deserves a beating for this if it's true, but it won't be admissible in the Trayvon case. This girl's mother needs a smack upside the head. What a terrible thing to tell your daughter after she let's you know she's been abused for over a decade. Not winning mother of the year.

[Bolshevik]

So everything else besides the massage occurred when Zimmerman was under 18? Weird and gross but seems irrelevant to the case. There is a difference between being a creepy curious child and being a murder. From what I've heard about this guy I don't like him at all, however I can't help but question why the relative is just now taking legal measures and not when she and her family apparently confronted him 7 years ago.