[nVidiot_Whore]

If there was a major political party with hundreds of millions of dollars of support and with a reasonable chance of getting elected proposing reinstating Jim Crow laws and a company donating 2/10 of a cent of each chicken sandwich sold to that cause, I would probably be focusing on the big picture rather than telling everyone who enjoys a particular brand of chicken sandwich that there is something wrong with them.

Yes, and guess what these same people don't do?

Donate money to the GOP.. vote for the GOP..

And basically, most of their political views, statements, etc. are urging other people to do the same... donating money to the opposition.. voting for the opposition.

What else is someone supposed to do about the GOP existing aside from not give them money and votes again?

rather than telling everyone who enjoys a particular brand of chicken sandwich that there is something wrong with them.

I haven't personally told a single person that. And I've seen many other people express they don't really care if people just eat at CFA because they like it and can't be bothered to help some cause.

Big deal. Are there people doing that? Sure.. so find those people and call them out, otherwise you are just generalizing the entire boycott.

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Our very own Anakin v Obi-Wan battles. He was pretty legendary and intelligent. Just entirely inflexible in his ideas and ways of thinking.

It was more like Darth Vader v. the Emperor.

[Dhx]

I probably do it. But I think the difference is that I do not have a habit of derailing topics and responding in an increasingly uncivil and offensive manner towards other users with differing opinions. Jaydubya had been banned multiple times in the past for his failure to engage civilly with other users before he was finally permed; he had plenty of chances to try to readjust and begin posting respectfully towards users whom he had ideological disagreements with. In the end, he was unable to make this change, and so he was permed. Though I am not sure why Jaydubya's perm over a year ago is still a point of discussion.

Per Cyan's assessment, I would agree that if this is indeed what became of JayDubya, there is nothing else to be said about it. I just didn't like the incongruent implication that taking an obstinate moral position was grounds for a permanent ban.

Though I am not sure why Jaydubya's perm over a year ago is still a point of discussion.

The circumstances were unknown to me and when the discussion turned to the subject of ideological bans, I saw the opportunity to ask, and it appears the gaps have been filled in.

[Watch Da Birdie]

And for the second time, reposting the image. Good posts, completely agree. It is remarkable how neutral this cartoon is, coming from someone who (at least according to EmCee) is anti-gay rights.

Another cartoon by the same guy.

And once again, this guy IS anti-gay, no doubt. :0

[Demon Ice]

He's anti-gay, but he equated the bigots with the Redcoats (Ie the "bad guys" in 'Murrican)?

[Devolution]

So tired of the anti-christian angle. This isn't Rome. There is no crucifixion.

He's anti-gay, but he equated the bigots with the Redcoats (Ie the "bad guys" in 'Murrican)?

Yeah he either can't get his historical metaphors right or he's secretly an ex-pat Brit.

[CHEEZMO™]

Chuck Asay is evil incarnate.



Fear me!

[Alligatorjandro]

I guess I never noticed before or whatever but I cant believe just how ignorant people are.

[Watch Da Birdie]

He's anti-gay, but he equated the bigots with the Redcoats (Ie the "bad guys" in 'Murrican)?

I'm pretty sure he's decrying how Boston is no longer filled with brave patriots, but whiny liberals.

But, of course, anyone who isn't a bigot themselves sees the fact he's got the bigots on the side of the British.

[JordanN]

Another cartoon by the same guy. And once again, this guy IS anti-gay, no doubt. :0

I don't get it. The one's shooting are the Americans right? So isn't he portraying the gays as good or is he saying the Americans are bad? Wtf?

Edit: Just read the post above me. The comic is still clueless.

[CHEEZMO™]

Just imagine it through the mentality of someone who reeeaalllly hates gays and liberals.

[EatinOlives]

If there was a major political party with hundreds of millions of dollars of support and with a reasonable chance of getting elected proposing reinstating Jim Crow laws and a company donating 2/10 of a cent of each chicken sandwich sold to that cause, I would probably be focusing on the big picture rather than telling everyone who enjoys a particular brand of chicken sandwich that there is something wrong with them.

Woosh. There goes my point over your head.

[Air Zombie Meat]

I don't get it. The one's shooting are the Americans right? So isn't he portraying the gays as good or is he saying the Americans are bad? Wtf? Edit: Just read the post above me. The comic is still clueless.

I think he's just insinuating that the protestors cause is ridiculous compared to true american battles of the past. I'm also guessing that he drew that before the chik fil a appreciation day. Otherwise you could make the same point about the people that turned out for that. Or perhaps he's just that stupid.

[RDreamer]

You can always count on Fox Nation to have literally the worst take on any story ever

My jaw dropped when I saw that. Then I saw who posted it. I think usually fox nation is their excuse to put up tripe their viewers spout, but this was by Todd Starnes, a guy Fox actually pays for his commentary. I have no words.

[killertofu]

Has anyone posted this?

http://matthewpaulturner.net/blog/5-...led-yesterday/

While the guy is trying to make some points, I feel like he's being a bit of an apologist. Any thoughts?

[Wuthering_Heights]

I don't know why I saw this and it made me feel bad.

She's the only protester, apparently, and just looks so defeated. Though I'm sure the picture isn't telling the entire story.

Good on her though, sticking it out.

[empty vessel]

0.04% of their revenue, so roughly 2/10th of a cent per meal. If you ate there every single day you would donate less than a dollar a year. Meanwhile the republican party can raise 5 times as much money in a single night of fundraising as chick fila donates in a year and they directly propose and vote on bills that deny rights to gays.

I don't understand this argument. So you're encouraging me to donate a dollar every year to anti-gay organizations? And, not only that, you're suggesting that I should organize thousands of people to join me in donating a dollar every year to anti-gay organizations? Because you understand that boycotts are collective actions, right?

What is this argument that it's okay to donate to anti-gay organizations as long as you don't donate too much? I don't get it.

If there was a major political party with hundreds of millions of dollars of support and with a reasonable chance of getting elected proposing reinstating Jim Crow laws and a company donating 2/10 of a cent of each chicken sandwich sold to that cause, I would probably be focusing on the big picture rather than telling everyone who enjoys a particular brand of chicken sandwich that there is something wrong with them.

I'm not telling everyone who enjoys a particular brand of chicken sandwich that there is something wrong with them. I am telling the people who support marriage equality and who consider themselves allies of the gay rights movement that eating a particular brand of chicken sandwich is donating to anti-gay organizations and they ought not do it.

[cousins]

I don't know why I saw this and it made me feel bad. She's the only protester, apparently, and just looks so defeated. Though I'm sure the picture isn't telling the entire story. Good on her though, sticking it out.

This kills me, the poor woman.

I can't believe so many people gathered to defend their right to spread hate the other day.

[CHEEZMO™]

Someone should take all these pictures of groups of people holding up CFA bags and smiling and just write "We hate faggots" on them.

[Enron]

You seem awfully eager to throw JD under the bus.

JD deserved it though. I agreed with him probably 85% of the time, but he was absolutely insufferable.

[DCharlie]

Biblical values my fucking arse -

Biblical Values : we will abide by shit that doesn't affect our lives personally in any sort of way. Huzzah. It's religion for cowards, time and time again, believing and espousing on the shit that means FUCK ALL to their daily lives in any meaningful way yet going super-saijin on selective parts of the bible.

Huh? What? Sex before marriage? I think that's all down to interpretation - i think what God meant to say was um.... well, he definitely didn't mean i shouldn't be having sex. I can tell you that!

Simple - let's all get behind the bible - no gay marriage? then lets have no sex before marriage for anyone. Biblical values and all that.

[Triple U]

Biblical values my fucking arse - Biblical Values : we will abide by shit that doesn't affect our lives personally in any sort of way. Huzzah. It's religion for cowards, time and time again, believing and espousing on the shit that means FUCK ALL to their daily lives in any meaningful way yet going super-saijin on selective parts of the bible. Huh? What? Sex before marriage? I think that's all down to interpretation - i think what God meant to say was um.... well, he definitely didn't mean i shouldn't be having sex. I can tell you that! Simple - let's all get behind the bible - no gay marriage? then lets have no sex before marriage for anyone. Biblical values and all that.

I don't see what the hell you are talking about, seems like this post is you just seizing an opportunity to bash the bible.

What about those who don't do sex before marriage and all that?

[sruckus]

I don't see what the hell you are talking about, seems like this post is you just seizing an opportunity to bash the bible. What about those who don't do sex before marriage and all that?

Far fewer amount then those who identify as Christians who are against gay marriage. I know one couple personally that did it. One. And most "cheat" by getting married really early.

[elrechazado]

Far fewer amount then those who identify as Christians who are against gay marriage. I know one couple personally that did it. One. And most "cheat" by getting married really early.

Umm, putting aside all of the other issues here, but you're wrong. The purity movement is insanely huge.

[sruckus]

Umm, putting aside all of the other issues here, but you're wrong. The purity movement is insanely huge.

Define huge. There's a lot who agree with it, but most fail. I would bet most young people who are against gay marriage do not practice it. Hell, I bet the majority of people who say they believe in God don't believe in that. It's such a large number.

[elrechazado]

Define huge. There's a lot who agree with it, but most fail. I would bet most young people who are against gay marriage do not practice it. Hell, I bet the majority of people who say they believe in God don't believe in that. It's such a large number.

We were talking about advocating standards, not meeting them. There are lots of closeted self hating anti gay preachers and politicians too. What matters here is their religious consistency I thought.

[Devolution]

Umm, putting aside all of the other issues here, but you're wrong. The purity movement is insanely huge.

The purity movement is huge but hilariously most people I know who wait for sex till their married, basically get married to have sex, then just divorce.

[Gaborn]

The purity movement is huge but hilariously most people I know who wait for sex till their married, basically get married to have sex, then just divorce.

I definitely think some people treat marriage the way a lot of people treat dating these days. As a time where they experience sex. You see it especially in the south where the divorce rate is so much higher. Serial monogamy is a big issue there.

[elrechazado]

The purity movement is huge but hilariously most people I know who wait for sex till their married, basically get married to have sex, then just divorce.

Yeah, that seems extremely common. And a high percentage have sex anyway before marriage anyway.

[KamikazeChick]

And his " wife's" account, did he even have a wife?

yes.... and you're being an idiot.

If you seriously doubt my existence, ask D&D GAF. I don't care either way. You just seem so small and petty.

For the rest of you.....

I will say this - yes, you are funding pro-traditional marriage by supporting ChickFilA. I support your right to protest. I also support Chick Fil A's right to donate their money as they see fit. Ultimately, they are a business and will do what makes business boom.

My question is -- are you going to boycott big oil because oil primarily originates from countries that execute homosexuals? How strong is your conviction? How far are you willing to go? Thus far, I'm not impressed.

[metalslimer]

yes.... and you're being an idiot. If you seriously doubt my existence, ask D&D GAF. I don't care either way. You just seem so small and petty. For the rest of you..... I will say this - yes, you are funding pro-traditional marriage by supporting ChickFilA. I support your right to protest. I also support Chick Fil A's right to donate their money as they see fit. Ultimately, they are a business and will do what makes business boom. My question is -- are you going to boycott big oil because oil primarily originates from countries that execute homosexuals? How strong is your conviction? How far are you willing to go? Thus far, I'm not impressed.

Once again an argument that has been rehashed 1000x. Our greatest source of foreign oil is from Canada who I believe supports gay marriage. Try again.

[KamikazeChick]

I read his posts on abortions. I think one time he basically called doctors who performed abortions murders or something that made me want to hit him in the head with a stick repeatedly.

Well technically they aren't murderers. That's a legal definition. They do, however, kill without morality. Since I know he understands the difference, please don't lie.

It's crap to talk about someone when they can't respond back.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Well technically they aren't murderers. That's a legal definition. They do, however, kill without morality. Since I know he understands the difference, please don't lie. It's crap to talk about someone when they can't respond back.

No, they don't. Who are you, his wife? It would explain things

It's really crap to call OB/GYBNs murders when he knew its a lie.

[thesoapster]

My question is -- are you going to boycott big oil because oil primarily originates from countries that execute homosexuals? How strong is your conviction? How far are you willing to go? Thus far, I'm not impressed.

It's a contributor but no, in the U.S., they are not our primary source at all.

[KamikazeChick]

No, they don't. Who are you, his wife? It would explain things

Nope, I totally don't exist. Asshole.

(yes, they do. So there. HAH.)

Advantage - Kamikaze

_________________________

Not all abortionists are OB/GYNs... There's a huge difference between killing and murder. Again, do you need the legal definition? Perhaps a dictionary? Do you even know what a dictionary is?

[Yaboosh]

No, they don't. Who are you, his wife? It would explain things It's really crap to call OB/GYBNs murders when he knew its a lie.

Yep. That is what this thread needed. An abortion debate. Good job Manos.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Yep. That is what this thread needed. An abortion debate. Good job Manos.

Hey someone wants to slander good doctors with calling them murders they're getting called out. Especially with the nonsense of saying its not murder, but there killers.

[KamikazeChick]

Yep. That is what this thread needed. An abortion debate. Good job Manos.

Yup - even this guy blames manos.

Clearly things are amiss!

[KamikazeChick]

Hey someone wants to slander good doctors with calling them murders they're getting called out.

We're not talking about good doctors... no one's called them murderers except for you!

and how's this on topic? Where's my chicken sandwhich?

MODS!!!!

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Not all abortionists are OB/GYNs... There's a huge difference between killing and murder. Again, do you need the legal definition? Perhaps a dictionary? Do you even know what a dictionary is?

I think you need to learn the difference between a human life and fetus.

Oh after reading your post history and the Tiller I can see I'm dealing with somene lacking any legal training or understanding of the law.

[Cyan]

yes.... and you're being an idiot. If you seriously doubt my existence, ask D&D GAF. I don't care either way. You just seem so small and petty. For the rest of you..... I will say this - yes, you are funding pro-traditional marriage by supporting ChickFilA. I support your right to protest. I also support Chick Fil A's right to donate their money as they see fit. Ultimately, they are a business and will do what makes business boom. My question is -- are you going to boycott big oil because oil primarily originates from countries that execute homosexuals? How strong is your conviction? How far are you willing to go? Thus far, I'm not impressed.

You revived the thread for more of this shit?

Well, I'm not gonna be going out of my way to try to impress you, I'll tell you that.

[Yaboosh]

Yup - even this guy blames manos. Clearly things are amiss!

Oh you seem horrible.

[KamikazeChick]

I think you need to learn the difference between a human life and fetus.

Clearly since you have a finite understanding of the English language, perhaps you should enlighten us in this clearly off topic conversation?

But make sure chickens are involved.

[Timedog]

I don't see what the hell you are talking about, seems like this post is you just seizing an opportunity to bash the bible. What about those who don't do sex before marriage and all that?

If gay marriage isn't legal, why should sex before marriage be? That's a far bigger problem than anything having to do with gays if you look at the size of the demographics. Christians that want their religion as law need to quit being huge fucking douchebag hypocrites. It's not that they actually give a shit (since it doesn't affect them at all), they just want to feel superior to others.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Clearly since you have a finite understanding of the English language, perhaps you should enlighten us in this clearly off topic conversation? But make sure chickens are involved.

I think you need to read a science book.

[Forever]

Clearly since you have a finite understanding of the English language, perhaps you should enlighten us in this clearly off topic conversation? But make sure chickens are involved.

Fact: In the early stages of human development, scientists can safely merge two or more zygotes without actually killing any cells.

Premise: Life begins at conception, ergo a zygote must be a person and two zygotes must be two people.

Scenario: Scientists merge two zygotes into one. No cells are killed. You began with two people, and end up with one. Where did this missing person go?

There is no scientific basis for life beginning at conception. It's a purely theological construction. Trying to impose theological basis for legislation is tantamount to religious fundamentalism.

[Devolution]

Oh god Manos vs Jdub's hand puppet. Whoever wins we all lose.

[Mgoblue201]

Once again an argument that has been rehashed 1000x. Our greatest source of foreign oil is from Canada who I believe supports gay marriage. Try again.

I did some quick fact-checking. The US uses about 19 million barrels of oil per day. Of this, approximately 2 million is imported from Canada and around 1 million from Saudi Arabia, Mexico, and Venezuela each (though it obviously fluctuates). The gay rights policies of these countries are obviously quite diverse. But even if Saudi Arabia supplied almost all of our oil, I don't think that the answer is obvious. At some point you have to ask yourself if you're causing more harm if, in the process of boycotting oil consumption, you're merely perpetuating other problems, the most obvious of which is the disruption of the medical industry, leading to the deaths of many lives which could be saved. But for some reason KamikazeChick seems more interested in debating abortion than addressing this topic.

[metalslimer]

Also abortion isn't even remotely related to gay rights so why is it even being discussed.

[FoneBone]

yes.... and you're being an idiot. If you seriously doubt my existence, ask D&D GAF. I don't care either way. You just seem so small and petty. For the rest of you..... I will say this - yes, you are funding pro-traditional marriage by supporting ChickFilA. I support your right to protest. I also support Chick Fil A's right to donate their money as they see fit. Ultimately, they are a business and will do what makes business boom. My question is -- are you going to boycott big oil because oil primarily originates from countries that execute homosexuals? How strong is your conviction? How far are you willing to go? Thus far, I'm not impressed.

You bumped the thread after five days for this? Nice knowing you.