[TimeEffect]

I still think it's a typo, only because it makes no logical sense to have 16, 120, and then 500. Such a large gap. None of it is official, so it's not like Sony is going to admit that it's a typo-- they are remaining shut until the time comes.

I think if anything, if Sony wants a very low end model, bring back the 40GB HDD.

[Graphics Horse]

My GT5 install size is almost 20gb... it is by far the largest.

O_o does that include GTTV vids or something?

[Shadow780]

I don't think there is a limit.

u sure? My 320GB is running out and am thinking of an upgrade.

[Graphics Horse]

u sure? My 320GB is running out and am thinking of an upgrade.

1TB works at least.

[SkylineRKR]

That 16gb is the excellent system for the last phase the Ps3 will be in. I guess Wonderbook, Sports Champion and all that shit isn't going to require lots of space. CoD etc isn't demanding a lot either.

This isn't being targeted at digital purchasers. I think people who want to go down that road are smart enough to go for something with a lot of storage.

[OldJadedGamer]

My GT5 install size is almost 20gb... it is by far the largest.

But how much is required and how much is optional?

[Massa]

Are they going to write on the box that you can't play DCUO with that system ?

You can play DCUO, you just need to purchase a hard drive.

You also need to purchase a Move controller and Eye camera to play some games, a plastic guitar for a few others. The requirements for each game are specified in the box of said game.

[CorrisD]

The 16GB PS3 seems far more aimed at a casual crowd before the WiiU launches and to more compete with the 4GB 360. For those that wont be buying a lot of games, and for Sony's casual push with things like WonderBook.

I would have hoped however that Sony have simplified it to be more like the 360 with the ease of changing the storage medium, it's pretty simple but still, some people would still be worried about opening it up and let us not forget that rather easy to damage screw.

u sure? My 320GB is running out and am thinking of an upgrade.

The PS3 doesn't have a limit, at least as far as anyone is aware. The internal limit comes from the size of the drive itself due to its size more than anything else, you wont find one over 1tb that will fit as far as I know.

You can of course mod the PS3 and have a bigger harddrive externally wired through the HDD slot, and as such you can feasibly stick whatever size SATA drive you can get your hands on.

[Shadow780]

1TB sounds pretty good, thanks!

[pharmboy044]

I still think it's a typo, only because it makes no logical sense to have 16, 120, and then 500. Such a large gap. None of it is official, so it's not like Sony is going to admit that it's a typo-- they are remaining shut until the time comes. I think if anything, if Sony wants a very low end model, bring back the 40GB HDD.

What about the Xbox 360 that only has 4GB? This 16GB model is the same as that.

[Canis lupus]

This model isnt aimed at people downloading loads and playing mmos just like the 4 gig 360. Its aimed at people who want a bluray player a netflix lovefilm internet connected device.

Exactly. 16GB is more than enough for the casual who occassionally plays some dance or sports game.

[Rolf NB]

With the way PS3 handles downloads/installs, the largest file you can have is 8GB for this sized hardrive.

I do hope they finally make that smarter. Supporting a new SKU is as good a reason as any other.

[Live Free or Die]

Are there any PS3 game installs that are over 10GB? I'm fine with 1-2 installed games at a time, but are there any that may exceed the usable space on this model?

A 16GB PS3 has not been officially announced by Sony.
There is no way Sony will make a 16GB PS3.

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Re-downloading the 15 GB digital version of Infamous 2 right now.

[Rolf NB]

u sure? My 320GB is running out and am thinking of an upgrade.

Don't buy drives thicker than 9.5mm. Problems with some large drives are only with fitting them in the bay physically, nothing about actually using the storage from the OS side.

1TB+ drive models to avoid:
Toshiba MK1059GSM 1000GB, SATA II
Western Digital Scorpio Blue 1000GB, SATA II (WD10TEVT)
Western Digital Scorpio Blue Advanced Format 1000GB, SATA II (WD10TPVT)
Western Digital Scorpio Green 1500GB, SATA II (WD15NPVT)
Western Digital Scorpio Green 2000GB, SATA II (WD20NPVT)
Seagate Constellation 7200.2 (lol)

1TB drive models that fit:
Hitachi Travelstar 5K1000 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s (HTS541010A9E680/0J22413)
Seagate Momentus Spinpoint M8 1000GB, SATA II (ST1000LM024/HN-M101MBB)
Toshiba MQ01ABD100 1000GB, SATA II
Western Digital AV-25 1000GB, 16MB Cache, SATA II (WD10JUCT)
Western Digital Scorpio Blue 1000GB, SATA II (WD10JPVT)

So basically: Western D "J"-series, Toshiba "MQ" series, Seagate "M8" series, Hitachi "5K1000" series.

[Sid]

Exactly. 16GB is more than enough for the casual who occassionally plays some dance or sports game.

But the number of games which require large mandatory installs on the ps3 and the patches as compared to the 360 is huge,imo that should be taken into consideration as well

[Loudninja]

A 16GB PS3 has not been officially announced by Sony. There is no way Sony will make a 16GB PS3.

I am pretty sure it is 16GB because the price seems to be $179.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=1270

[diamount]

Have we moved away from mandatory installs for first-party titles? Resistance 3 and Uncharted 3 had a relatively small install size, in the MB's region.

[nasos_333]

Doesn't the Halo 4 MP take up more space than is offered in the current Base 360 model

That is only one game and just the multiplayer part

It is rather different than having almost all games install a few or many GB on the HDD to play at all

In any case i think a 16GB PS3 is impossible, considering that most games need a mandatory install to play, Sony would be crazy to do that at this late date and when nearly all games use the HDD so much

[test_account]

Have we moved away from mandatory installs for first-party titles? Resistance 3 and Uncharted 3 had a relatively small install size, in the MB's region.

It depends on how the game is designed. None of the Uncharted games had installs. While newer games like Infamous 2 requires an install. Upcoming The Last Of Us will probably not have a mandatory installation, but i guess that Little Big Karting will have it.

[Mandoric]

That is only one game and just the multiplayer part It is rather different than having almost all games install a few or many GB on the HDD to play at all In any case i think a 16GB PS3 is impossible, considering that most games need a mandatory install to play, Sony would be crazy to do that at this late date and when nearly all games use the HDD so much

Reminder: About 10% of the install base is kicking with 20 gigs already.

[Mejilan]

My launch 60GB (decked out with a 720GB HDD) PS3 just up and died.
I have not heard about this new model. Should I wait for it, or just pick up a slim now?

[Patrick Bateman]

That was probably a mistake, it would be a nightmare to have so little space in a system with mandatory installs for most games

I always thought that it's the other way, that PS3 has only a handful of games with mandatory installs.

[Loudninja]

My launch 60GB (decked out with a 720GB HDD) PS3 just up and died. I have not heard about this new model. Should I wait for it, or just pick up a slim now?

To me you should wait.

[Sid]

My launch 60GB (decked out with a 720GB HDD) PS3 just up and died. I have not heard about this new model. Should I wait for it, or just pick up a slim now?

Wait for the new slim with the price drop which may be effective as soon as it's announced

[Loofy]

My launch 60GB (decked out with a 720GB HDD) PS3 just up and died. I have not heard about this new model. Should I wait for it, or just pick up a slim now?

Even if you dont pick up the new model. Chances are the slim will drop in price..

[Shadow780]

Don't buy drives thicker than 9.5mm. Problems with some large drives are only with fitting them in the bay physically, nothing about actually using the storage from the OS side. 1TB+ drive models to avoid: Toshiba MK1059GSM 1000GB, SATA II Western Digital Scorpio Blue 1000GB, SATA II (WD10TEVT) Western Digital Scorpio Blue Advanced Format 1000GB, SATA II (WD10TPVT) Western Digital Scorpio Green 1500GB, SATA II (WD15NPVT) Western Digital Scorpio Green 2000GB, SATA II (WD20NPVT) Seagate Constellation 7200.2 (lol) 1TB drive models that fit: Hitachi Travelstar 5K1000 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s (HTS541010A9E680/0J22413) Seagate Momentus Spinpoint M8 1000GB, SATA II (ST1000LM024/HN-M101MBB) Toshiba MQ01ABD100 1000GB, SATA II Western Digital AV-25 1000GB, 16MB Cache, SATA II (WD10JUCT) Western Digital Scorpio Blue 1000GB, SATA II (WD10JPVT) So basically: Western D "J"-series, Toshiba "MQ" series, Seagate "M8" series, Hitachi "5K1000" series.

I was just looking at this one, and wassup with those pretentious "cool" names for hard drives, nobody cares!

[Mejilan]

Even if you dont pick up the new model. Chances are the slim will drop in price..

Is there a rumor roundup / feature spec yet for the new model?
Even a whisper of an ETA?

[Rolf NB]

I was just looking at this one, and wassup with those pretentious "cool" names for hard drives, nobody cares!

That's a retail kit. It uses its own model numbering scheme, and I can't seem to find out what drive is in that kit to confirm it'll fit. No specs on the Seagate site.

[Loofy]

Is there a rumor roundup / feature spec yet for the new model? Even a whisper of an ETA?

ETA if the original slim is anything to go by. We got picture leaks in july(philippines?) and the system launched in september.
Will probably be the same case here.

[Shadow780]

That's a retail kit. It uses its own model numbering scheme, and I can't seem to find out what drive is in that kit to confirm it'll fit. No specs on the Seagate site.

With priceblink it linked to this page on amazon so I assume it's the same thing:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...F8&me=&seller=

Lots of reviews about PS3 upgrades so I think it's pretty safe, thanks for the info.

[CorrisD]

Is there a rumor roundup / feature spec yet for the new model? Even a whisper of an ETA?

It looks new and has a top loading drive, will be coming in 16/250/500GB, is slightly smaller than the existing slim and will apparently be $/€179 for the cheapest model.

If it is in fact coming, we are expecting it at GamesCom in a few weeks. There are pictures but they aren't great, someone might post another gaffers model of what it is likely to look like in PR shots.

[Mejilan]

September? But I'm so close to platinuming Dragon's Dogma (stupid PS3 ate the disc) and Darksiders II is right around the corner!

Well, thanks for the info guys. Decisions decisions...

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Pah, small timers.
My GT5 install is 28GB!
That's with all patches and some GTTV.

[OldJadedGamer]

Reminder: About 10% of the install base is kicking with 20 gigs already.

20% of launch PS3 units in the US were 20 gig but they had a tiny amount of total units for the first run anyway. In Japan the 20 gig was sold for just over a year after launch and the 20 gig was never offered in Europe.

Have we moved away from mandatory installs for first-party titles? Resistance 3 and Uncharted 3 had a relatively small install size, in the MB's region.

It won't matter if new games do or not since to someone buying a PS3 now, every game released since launch is "new" to them.

[SkylineRKR]

Who knows, the new Ps3 models might allow for a very easy HDD insertion, for 16gb adaptors who eventually want to go hardcore. And/or Sony's going to offer Sony branded HDD's if thats possible (much like those official HDMI cables they sold).

... but its a bit silly on Sony's side though. All this talk about BR being required because having shitloads of storage on disc. And there I am, with my 320gb HDD becoming rather filled with all kinds of mandatory things.

[AgentP]

It is rather different than having almost all games install a few or many GB on the HDD to play at all

source?

In any case i think a 16GB PS3 is impossible, considering that most games need a mandatory install to play, Sony would be crazy to do that at this late date and when nearly all games use the HDD so much

What if you play one game at a time and only a few a year?

I own 89 retail disc games, only 17 have required installs over 1GB, most are in the range 1-3GB. So lets not exaggerate what amount of HD is required for casual play.

Interesting data; I have 24 game in my "kids" section, only one has a >1GB install. So if you are buying it for casual games, you will need a HD even less.

[Lord Error]

I have a feeling that 16GB model, if true, will be more useful to 'high end' console user, who buys a console and throws away the installed HDD to put in a much bigger one. Especially if you already have that spare bigger drive. This way you wouldn't pay for the bigger, but not big enough HDD of larger models. I've long ran out of space on a 250GB drive - buying anything off of PSN will do that quickly nowadays.

[diamount]

20% of launch PS3 units in the US were 20 gig but they had a tiny amount of total units for the first run anyway. In Japan the 20 gig was sold for just over a year after launch and the 20 gig was never offered in Europe. It won't matter if new games do or not since to someone buying a PS3 now, every game released since launch is "new" to them.

Haha, no this is just for my own selfish reasons. Since my launch PS3 bricked recently - I will only get this for Last of us and Two Souls.

[NBtoaster]

Should at least have some system where during installation when close to full it automatically deletes oldest unused data.

It'll probably be SSD or flash so common installs wont be as painful (but still annoying).

[Satchel]

So is it confirmed this new Slim won't take a hard drive like the previous 2? As in our own drive?

[disappeared]

So is it confirmed this new Slim won't take a hard drive like the previous 2? As in our own drive?

I can't see why they'd axe that feature, especially now. I mean, the system's had HDD upgrade support from launch day. Of course, who knows, they may indeed take out the drive bay access slot and keep guys like us from buying them on the cheap, and upgrading to a 500+GB HDD.

That's my backup plan, should my current Slim fail.

[H_Prestige]

So is it confirmed this new Slim won't take a hard drive like the previous 2? As in our own drive?

Why wouldn't it?

[test_account]

Should at least have some system where during installation when close to full it automatically deletes oldest unused data. It'll probably be SSD or flash so common installs wont be as painful (but still annoying).

Doesnt the PS3 check for free space before the installation begins? I'm pretty sure that it it does, but i cant remember 100% sure right now.

[Joni]

I believe 18 GB for the downloadable versions of Uncharted 1 and 2.

[ezekielpacman]

I have a feeling that 16GB model, if true, will be more useful to 'high end' console user, who buys a console and throws away the installed HDD to put in a much bigger one. Especially if you already have that spare bigger drive. This way you wouldn't pay for the bigger, but not big enough HDD of larger models. I've long ran out of space on a 250GB drive - buying anything off of PSN will do that quickly nowadays.

This. It prevents the need to spend unnecessary extra cash on a HDD component you won't need 5 minutes after owning the system. I have my 60GB phat and my 250GB slim HDDs lying around, why pay extra for such waste.

[NBtoaster]

Doesnt the PS3 check for free space before the installation begins? I'm pretty sure that it it does, but i cant remember 100% sure right now.

If you dont have the required space you have to exit the game and choose what to get rid of yourself though.

Some people probably get confused and end up deleting save data.

[Synless]

If not a typo thats absolutely retarded. What point is 16GB on a system where one install will destroy all of your space?

You get what you pay for?

[Loofy]

If not a typo thats absolutely retarded. What point is 16GB on a system where one install will destroy all of your space?

Depends on the pricing.
I wouldnt pay more than $149. So that way getting a $50 harddrive still results in a nice price drop to $200.
More than that Im a little iffy...

[OldJadedGamer]

Why wouldn't it?

They could decide to got the route they did with Vita. Who knows right now.