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Erethian · (07-23-2012, 02:04 PM)

His response is weird because his first sentence is him saying they'll become a software company, then he lists a whole lot of reasons why they won't become a software company.

Ocellatus · (07-23-2012, 02:05 PM)

Originally Posted by Dragonzord:

Why does every industry guy think Nintendo will make iphone games instead of console games?

True. If they did go software only, I imagine they would publish with Sony first.

KevinCow · (07-23-2012, 02:05 PM)

Quote:

So far, when Miyamoto makes a perfect game, in his career he makes games worth $200 - it's worth buying a system for. I think the handheld is going to be under a lot of pressure. I can imagine a day when Nintendo wonders - and maybe it's generational change - when Nintendo wonders if they ought to take some of their best games and make 'em apps.

I feel like he's missing a few steps here.

1) Nintendo makes games that are great enough that people are willing to buy $200 hardware for them.

2) ???

3) Nintendo will decide to make apps instead.

Gustav · (07-23-2012, 02:05 PM)

Originally Posted by GarthVaderUK:

Xbox, Bing Gordon.

Binging Bing is like googling Google.

SmokyDave · (07-23-2012, 02:05 PM)

I don't think the 3DS will sell anywhere near as much as the DS.

I don't think the Wii-U will sell anywhere near as much as the Wii.

Regardless, I don't think Nintendo are doomed.

Loghorn150 · (07-23-2012, 02:05 PM)

LMAO. If anything, Sony's the one that's on track to becoming a software company more than Nintendo is.

Nibel · (07-23-2012, 02:05 PM)

Originally Posted by Ocellatus:

Nintendo caught lightning in a bottle with the Wii. Unless they catch it again, this is entirely possible.

They made profit before, made incredible amount of profit with Wii and DS - and now they still make good profit off the 3DS

Burnburn · (07-23-2012, 02:06 PM)

Nintendo would more likely just stop making games than going software only.

Hot Coldman · (07-23-2012, 02:07 PM)

Originally Posted by Loghorn150:

LMAO. If anything, Sony's the one that's on track to becoming a software company more than Nintendo is.

Isn't the Playstation division Sony's best performing division?

Muchi Muchi Pink · 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Effect:

Sega didn't make "some" missteps. Sega made LOT of missteps and lost a TON of money again and again. There are very clear reasons for what happen to Sega and none of them can be applied to Nintendo at all. I wish people would understand that and not choose to remain ignorant of this or willfully ignore it because it doesn't fit their narrative..

From the excerpt it seems like another pro Apple/Nintendo hit piece.

Actually Sega did missteps only. I can't remember a single console from Sega, which wasn't bomba.

Originally Posted by SmokyDave:

I don't think the 3DS will sell anywhere near as much as the DS.

So far 3ds is selling way better than the ds did at the same time, but yeah there will be a clearly slowdown before the 3ds hits ds sells.

Sadist · (07-23-2012, 02:07 PM)

*Lists reasons why he thinks Nintendo is in a better place than Sega, why their games sell*

"But they will go the app route!"

Sigh

GCX · (07-23-2012, 02:07 PM)

Originally Posted by Green Scar:

Isn't the Playstation division Sony's best performing division?

Yeah, and it just made some huge losses.

darkside31337 · (07-23-2012, 02:07 PM)

I'll agree with some point he's trying to argue in there - that it doesn't matter how perfect Nintendo is at making quality software, the market is changing and the way of the dedicated handheld is not long in this world. And thus they're throwing away a gazillion dollars worth of revenue by not taking this into consideration.

3DS might be fine, Wii U might be fine, but neither will sell as well as their predecessors. And at some point the inevitable will happen, maybe sooner rather than later and maybe not but in the end it'll most likely happen. That doesn't make them "doomed".

Somnid · (07-23-2012, 02:07 PM)

Originally Posted by Ocellatus:

True. If they did go software only, I imagine they would publish with Sony first.

I always thought Sony will bow out first. I mean Nintendo's hardware and software market is stronger than Sony's. Sony Mobile is an even bigger loser.

BGBW · (07-23-2012, 02:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Gustav:

Binging Bing is like googling Google.

You might break the Internet!

The_Lump · (07-23-2012, 02:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Jmac71:

I read the title as Big Goron instead of Bing Gordon. Thought it was some shitty Zelda fan site speculation.

It may as well have been Big Goron, by the sounds of it.

Erethian · (07-23-2012, 02:09 PM)

Originally Posted by Green Scar:

Isn't the Playstation division Sony's best performing division?

No, that's their financial services division.

We had a whole thread a while back about how SCE is still losing money.

sonicmj1 · (07-23-2012, 02:09 PM)

Originally Posted by Muchi Muchi Pink:

Actually Sega did missteps only. I can't remember a single console from Sega, which wasn't bomba.

The Genesis/Mega Drive was pretty successful, add-ons aside.

Nerfgun · (07-23-2012, 02:09 PM)

The way I could see this work is if Nintendo still gets to make controllers. I.e. there's an open spec for wireless controllers that is accepted on things like iOS and Android devices.

Nintendo really, really likes using different controllers, always have. That's a huge part of their "hardware" equation. I think they care more about the interfaces than the actual console - which is NOT to say they don't care, but I think it's the part that is the least interesting to them. Nintendo seems to be all about the connection between hardware and software, and what you physically use in order to manipulate the game software.

So if they were basically given an opportunity to make a pile of money on other platforms while retaining the core "nintendoness" of what they'd do, then I think they could do it.

Imagine Nintendo packages that came with, say, bluetooth controller + game or somesuch. I know it's unlikely but I hardly think its impossible, either.

lunchwithyuzo · (07-23-2012, 02:10 PM)

There's going to be a dedicated Nintendo console on shelves longer than there are Xboxes and PlayStations. It's just in their DNA to build a box that supports their software, and unlike most hardware providers Nintendo's always had a history of integrating their hardware and software R&D groups. That's basically what makes them unique, and also helps make them less likely to jump to the services/cloud gaming shift that Xbox/PlayStation seem inevitably headed towards.

StifflersMum · (07-23-2012, 02:10 PM)

If Nintendo still makes profit with every unit sold, and their software sells enough to make in the (not that high, compared to rest of industry) dev costs, why should they care?

GCX · (07-23-2012, 02:11 PM)

Originally Posted by darkside31337:

I'll agree with some point he's trying to argue in there - that it doesn't matter how perfect Nintendo is at making quality software, the market is changing and the way of the dedicated handheld is not long in this world. And thus they're throwing away a gazillion dollars worth of revenue by not taking this into consideration.

No, Nintendo has calculated that at this point in time they get more profit by releasing games for their dedicated handheld.

The market is evolving but it hasn't evolved so much that Nintendo would have to reconsider its strategy yet. In the future that will probably change and Nintendo will probably change with it.

Wiz · (07-23-2012, 02:11 PM)

Their hardware is where they get most of their profit. Wouldn't make sense to abandon it.

Hot Coldman · (07-23-2012, 02:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Erethian:

No, that's their financial services division.

We had a whole thread a while back about how SCE is still losing money.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. And I never said SCE were doing well, just better than the rest of Sony :P

Dragonzord · (07-23-2012, 02:12 PM)

Originally Posted by Somnid:

I always thought Sony will bow out first. I mean Nintendo's hardware and software market is stronger than Sony's. Sony Mobile is an even bigger loser.

If anyone's doomed, I don't see Sony making it all the way to next next gen

Celine · (07-23-2012, 02:12 PM)

Originally Posted by Green Scar:

Isn't the Playstation division Sony's best performing division?

No.

Monty Mole · (07-23-2012, 02:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Green Scar:

Isn't the Playstation division Sony's best performing division?

I hope not, for Sony's sake.

NHale · (07-23-2012, 02:13 PM)

People never learn, do they?

I remember the same predictions before the Wii launched. "It will be a massive failure", "It will sell less than the Gamecube", "Nintendo will become 3rd party after the Wii failure", etc.

7threst · (07-23-2012, 02:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Wiz:

Their hardware is where they get most of their profit. Wouldn't make sense to abandon it.

Is that true? I mean, Nintendo is good at selling their hardware at a profit, but isn't most of their profit gained from evergreens like Mario Kart and such titles?

Dennis · (07-23-2012, 02:14 PM)

D00med.

Nintendo is d00med.

Loghorn150 · (07-23-2012, 02:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Erethian:

We had a whole thread a while back about how SCE is still losing money.

Can you or anyone else give me a link to it?

gumby_trucker · 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by BY2K:

Sega didn't have a 10 Billion war chest to back them up...

Originally Posted by NEO0MJ:

How's it doing these days? I'm serious. Wasn't that number from some time ago?

I got news for you, GAF. Nintendo are releasing their latest financial report in less than 2 days, and the preliminaries don't look pretty.

Nintendo cash reserves are down from $10.4bn to $5.9bn in the 12 months to March 2012. Some of that cash was moved to other forms of investment but they are still $3.35bn down from last march.

Take into account these numbers include the losses on 3DS, but don't account for Wii U besides R&D. Manufacturing/storing/shipping and selling that thing at an attractive price in the west is going to be difficult with current exchange rates.

The Bookerman · (07-23-2012, 02:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Valnen:

The media has a downright unhealthy obsession with the iphone/ipad.

No fuckin shit.

geez, every month you'll have a stupid analyst say Nintendo should exclusively do iOs Apps from now on.

Takao · (07-23-2012, 02:15 PM)

You just needed to throw his opinion away when you linked him to Zynga. Zynga is seemingly the definition of a fad company built around the mobile gaming bubble, as such he's obviously going to want Nintendo to follow their path.

Eventually we'll get to a point of hardware agnosticism via things like cloud gaming but I don't think that time is now, or in the immediate future.

Erethian · (07-23-2012, 02:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Loghorn150:

Can you or anyone else give me a link to it?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480181

Veezy · (07-23-2012, 02:15 PM)

I wouldn't say he's wrong. I'd say he's looking incredibly ahead.

Nintendo, right now, has no reason to become a software developer only. They have software that sells their hardware, both profitable.

However, the smartphone and tablet market are exploding, accessories for both are only going to be more available and better designed in the future, and a legit reason to own an at home console (with entertainment apps being integrated into TVs/Cable provider boxes), much less a portable gaming device, are going to be hard to find.

If Nintendo's smart, and they've shown that they are very smart, they're setting up their portfolio where in the next decade or so they can seamlessly jump into the mobile/pc/tablet market and reap the financial benefits. They're not doomed, not even close, but one must ask how many more generations do we have of 100-300$ portable gaming machines and 300-500$ gaming consoles do we have left?

Effect · (07-23-2012, 02:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Ocellatus:

Nintendo caught lightning in a bottle with the Wii. Unless they catch it again, this is entirely possible.

No. At worse they'll have a repeat of the GameCube where they still were profitable. Anywhere between the GameCube and Wii, which is the more likely scenario, and they'll be just fine. Still better then many if not all the other companies in the industry.

GarthVaderUK · (07-23-2012, 02:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Dragonzord:

If anyone's doomed, I don't see Sony making it all the way to next next gen

With Sony and MS seemingly gravitating towards 'the cloud', perhaps Nintendo will be the only one with a next next gen console.

BGBW · (07-23-2012, 02:16 PM)

Originally Posted by StifflersMum:

If Nintendo still makes profit with every unit sold, and their software sells enough to make in the (not that high, compared to rest of industry) dev costs, why should they care?

They don't use capacitive screens. What a bunch of loosers.

Silas Lang · (07-23-2012, 02:16 PM)

This guys thinking doesn't make much sense. Nintendo makes games that you would pay 200$ for but they are going to make apps because that would be cool? I don't comprehend.

lunchwithyuzo · (07-23-2012, 02:16 PM)

Originally Posted by Muchi Muchi Pink:

Actually Sega did missteps only. I can't remember a single console from Sega, which wasn't bomba.

Sega's had regional successes (SMS in SA, MD/Genesis in NA/EU, Saturn in JP) but never a worldwide success story like Nintendo or Sony have. Genesis was basically the Xbox 360 of it's day.

2MF · (07-23-2012, 02:16 PM)

PS3 erased every profit the gaming division had made during PS1 and PS2 era, and Vita is failing.

But it's Nintendo which is about to become a software company, yeah...

Veezy · (07-23-2012, 02:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Silas Lang:

This guys thinking doesn't make much sense. Nintendo makes games that you would pay 200$ for but they are going to make apps because that would be cool? I don't comprehend.

$200 for in the current market. Not in the next decade, possibly.

BlackJace · (07-23-2012, 02:18 PM)

Originally Posted by gumby_trucker:

I got news for you, GAF. Nintendo are releasing their latest financial report in less than 2 days, and the preliminaries don't look pretty.

Nintendo cash reserves are down from $10bn to $5.9bn in the 12 months to March 2012. Some of that cash was moved to other forms of investment but they are still $3.5bn down from last march.

Take into account these numbers include the losses on 3DS, but don't account for Wii U besides R&D. Manufacturing/storing/shipping and selling that thing at an attractive price in the west is going to be difficult with current exchange rates.

OH NO. 6 BILLION DOLLARS IN SURPLUS? DOOOoooooOooomed!

devildog820 · (07-23-2012, 02:19 PM)

He says he envisions a day when this could happen. He's talking about ten years from now. Which is feasible, because the hardware business is going to be vastly different ten years from now.

snk2 · (07-23-2012, 02:19 PM)

Originally Posted by Projectjustice:

Its like every analyst lives in Bizzaro world when it comes to Nintendo.

So they live in Canada?

Nibel · (07-23-2012, 02:19 PM)

But what do Google Jones and Yahoo Jackson think of Nintendo?

Easy_D · (07-23-2012, 02:20 PM)

Is Bing Gordon the super villain alias of Pachter?

Bisnic · (07-23-2012, 02:20 PM)

Sony is the one having troubles these past few years, yet its Nintendo that needs to go 3rd party and make apps on iPhone and such? Why? Because their new consoles have "gimmicks" as their main features rather than better graphics compared to the competition?

Derrick01 · (07-23-2012, 02:21 PM)

Originally Posted by BlackJace:

OH NO. 6 BILLION DOLLARS IN SURPLUS? DOOOoooooOooomed!

Then next year it's

"OH NO 3 BILLION IN SURPLUS? DOOOOOOMED"