[magicstop]

Basically, over-exaggerating. And being that he's around the same age I am, no one actually cares yet. Saying "girl" is almost always used over "woman" (similarly, hardly anyone under 26 is considered a "man" - you will usually be considered a kid by superiors in the workplace). It actually means very little to just about... everyone. It would get weird after you pass a certain age, though, which he is relatively far from.

Yeah, that logic is arbitrary, and coming from a man, doesn't mean much of anything. As far as ages go, once you've hit puberty, you quit being a child. After puberty (which presumably all mid 20 year old women have finished with), you are an adult, and should get referred to as such.

You may think it doesn't matter, and I'd bet that a lot of men would agree with you, but perpetuating a culture that ultimately oppresses women (with infantilization amongst the arsenal of how this is done) is bad business whether you agree or not.

Edit: Also, what is this sicing word, and why can't I find it defined or used elsewhere? I must have missed a boat . . .

[JokerOfSpades]

It actually doesn't serve to do so. There are plenty of girls who agree with me as well, and in the case anyone were talking about an actual child, they would use the adjective "little" before the gender.

Also:
Sice
Sicing
Siced

EDIT:
Which reminds me:
GirlGAF

[magicstop]

It actually doesn't serve to do so. There are plenty of girls who agree with me as well, and in the case anyone were talking about an actual child, they would use the adjective "little" before the gender. Also: Sice Sicing Siced EDIT: Which reminds me: GirlGAF

Women get to refer to themselves however they want. Don't get confused and think you have that right too. Also, thanks for links. Gotta get my vocabulary updated, evidently.

[JokerOfSpades]

As "girl" is not considered to be a slur (and they allow themselves to be referred to as girls by guys), it's usually perfectly fine.

I imagine there are no complaints with the terms boyfriend/girlfriend.

[rvy]

Dude asks GAF how to approach women, GAF discusses the proper use of the term "girl".

[vulva]

Women get to refer to themselves however they want. Don't get confused and think you have that right too. Also, thanks for links. Gotta get my vocabulary updated, evidently.

Girls can defend themselves, they don't need a man telling guys what they can be called.

[Pimpwerx]

Yeah, that logic is arbitrary, and coming from a man, doesn't mean much of anything. As far as ages go, once you've hit puberty, you quit being a child. After puberty (which presumably all mid 20 year old women have finished with), you are an adult, and should get referred to as such. You may think it doesn't matter, and I'd bet that a lot of men would agree with you, but perpetuating a culture that ultimately oppresses women (with infantilization amongst the arsenal of how this is done) is bad business whether you agree or not. Edit: Also, what is this sicing word, and why can't I find it defined or used elsewhere? I must have missed a boat . . .

White knighting online won't get you laid, bro.

Do you say this shit to your friends in real life? How hard do they laugh at you? SMH. PEACE.

[JokerOfSpades]

Dude asks GAF how to approach women, GAF discusses the proper use of the term "girl".

True enough. I apologize, Costcosaurus.

[SteveWinwood]

It's okay you can call them girls.

[macuser1of5]

Tell her about how your entire life you've constantly wondered about how they make pepperoni. Then, one day when you were 19 years old, just by chance an episode of "How It's Made" came on while you were staring at pepperoni again. You really weren't expecting much, maybe they'd show what kinds of animals were in the meat, without any clear understanding of how they're mixed together, seasoned, and processed, but you watched anyways. And good thing, because that was the day that changed your life forever. It did show the types of meat, pork and beef. But it showed oh so much more. How nitrites were used in the curing process. How it was seasoned and given even more color using paprika. How the grain (or crumb) of pepperoni was more complex than other similar meats, a detail most wouldn't ever think about, but one that can have a tremendous effect on taste. How the machines worked, and the logic behind their machinations, be they for taste or for efficiency. But there were things that could be improved on. This wasn't artisanal sausage making, there were gaping holes in the philosophy of the major pepperoni makers. So not only was your question about how the meat was made answered, but within that answer you saw a niche you could carve out for yourself within the industry. Within that answer was something marvelous enough to make a grown man fall to his knees weeping. It was then that you knew you would make the finest pepperoni sausage the world had ever seen.

I want to be a pepperoni artist when I grow up

[spiderman123]

It's okay you can call them girls.

I say " Hey Baby, whats good!"

Does that mean I like babies.?

[shanshan310]

You know how you talk to guys? Okay, now do that except with a girl instead.

[SteveWinwood]

You know how you talk to guys? Okay, now do that except with a girl instead.

"Hey, how big is your penis?"

[Pimpwerx]

"Hey, how big is your penis?"

What kind of conversations are you having with your male friends? LOL! PEACE.

[JokerOfSpades]

Well, do almost the same thing. Flirting a bit is a nice thing, but maybe after you've more experience.

[Eggman]

Someone ban that misogynistic filth posted by Winwood.

[macuser1of5]

What kind of conversations are you having with your male friends? LOL! PEACE.

You don't maintain a detailed spreadsheet with your friends penis sizes?

[Cyrillus]

Alright, here are some tips:

You mention that you have trouble approaching girls you like, so first we must build up the courage to talk to them. It's advantageous to use this time to also develop a sense of what activities the girl is involved in and what interests she has. To accomplish this, it's best to try to get within earshot of this girl as much as possible, and follow her/sign up for any classes/extracurricular activities she's in. This will also help with your courage by giving you common interests to talk about when you do finally talk to her.

Second, make eye contact as much as possible. Women love assertive men who aren't afraid to make their interests known. Also they find the attention flattering. Make sure that when she looks your way, you make sure to make eye contact for as long as possible! Averting your eyes when she looks at you is a sign of weakness, and will only serve to present yourself as unworthy of her attention. Extended eye contact exudes confidence.

When you do finally muster up the courage to talk to the girl in question, always drop your voice down as deep as you can, like an octave or more below your normal speaking tone. Studies have shown that women prefer deeper voices, so use that to your advantage!

Finally, when you do finally talk to her, be sure to talk about the familiar activities you both now participate in, and bring up any topics you overheard her talking about before. Make sure you insert yourself into those topics, so that she will begin to associate those activities with you. That way, even if you don't happen to be around when she's doing/thinking of those activities (which you should be as much as possible), she'll be thinking about you!

Advanced Strategy: Women love men with a sense of humor, so you can try throwing little jokes into your conversation as well! It's best to focus on her as the subject of your jokes, as it shows that you're thinking about her. Use cute little insults toward her, it has the double effect of showing that you are confident, and that you don't think she's too good for you; women love being portrayed as equals.

[JokerOfSpades]

Alright, here are some tips: You mention that you have trouble approaching girls you like, so first we must build up the courage to talk to them. It's advantageous to use this time to also develop a sense of what activities the girl is involved in and what interests she has. To accomplish this, it's best to try to get within earshot of this girl as much as possible, and follow her/sign up for any classes/extracurricular activities she's in. This will also help with your courage by giving you common interests to talk about when you do finally talk to her. Second, make eye contact as much as possible. Women love assertive men who aren't afraid to make their interests known. Also they find the attention flattering. Make sure that when she looks your way, you make sure to make eye contact for as long as possible! Averting your eyes when she looks at you is a sign of weakness, and will only serve to present yourself as unworthy of her attention. Extended eye contact exudes confidence. When you do finally muster up the courage to talk to the girl in question, always drop your voice down as deep as you can, like an octave or more below your normal speaking tone. Studies have shown that women prefer deeper voices, so use that to your advantage! Finally, when you do finally talk to her, be sure to talk about the familiar activities you both now participate in, and bring up any topics you overheard her talking about before. Make sure you insert yourself into those topics, so that she will begin to associate those activities with you. That way, even if you don't happen to be around when she's doing/thinking of those activities (which you should be as much as possible), she'll be thinking about you! Advanced Strategy: Women love men with a sense of humor, so you can try throwing little jokes into your conversation as well! It's best to focus on her as the subject of your jokes, as it shows that you're thinking about her. Use cute little insults toward her, it has the double effect of showing that you are confident, and that you don't think she's too good for you; women love being portrayed as equals.

I like you.

[Yeef]

Talking to [adult] people is pretty easy. There's no reason to get hung up on it, just treat them like you would anyone else.

Talking to kids (for more than a few seconds) is a lot harder.

What kind of conversations are you having with your male friends? LOL! PEACE.

The kind with SEXY RESULTS!

[Finaika]

Second, make eye contact as much as possible. Women love assertive men who aren't afraid to make their interests known. Also they find the attention flattering. Make sure that when she looks your way, you make sure to make eye contact for as long as possible! Averting your eyes when she looks at you is a sign of weakness, and will only serve to present yourself as unworthy of her attention. Extended eye contact exudes confidence.

What if I am trying to maintain eye contact, but the girl doesn't want to? Does that mean I'm ugly?

[jchap]

Wear a headset connected to a microphone with a 0.2 second audio delay.

[magicstop]

White knighting online won't get you laid, bro. Do you say this shit to your friends in real life? How hard do they laugh at you? SMH. PEACE.

I guess, based on your user name, I shouldn't be too offended. Yeah, I talk like this with my friends. My friends tend to be part of a group of people that is strongly feminist and very thoughtful. Daily recognition of patriarchy, racism, and other oppressive forces allows us to radically resist them whenever we encounter them. Calling women "girls" is one small example, and yes, from my partner to the women with whom I am friends, they all dislike and ridicule the process of infantilizing women and calling them girls.

Girls can defend themselves, they don't need a man telling guys what they can be called.

I don't recall saying that they do? Men, however, need to be held accountable, and as often by their male friends as by their female friends. Helping keep people in check and reflecting on their language is a task everyone should be doing. It's how we combat patriarchy and racism and other systemic forms of oppression that get routinized and ignored and accepted as status quo.

Anyway, back to talking about how to seduce sex objects and/or overcome social awkwardness, however you come to it.

[Eggman]

What if I am trying to maintain eye contact, but the girl doesn't want to? Does that mean I'm ugly?

Yes, and trust me on that one.

[shanshan310]

What if I am trying to maintain eye contact, but the girl doesn't want to? Does that mean I'm ugly?

It means they're uncomfortable... as with everyone. Doesn't matter how attractive the person is, if they are staring the other person will probably try to break eye contact. Don't want things getting too intense with someone you don't know well. Extended eye contact is uncomfortable as hell, from anyone and to anyone.

[Messypandas]

What if I am trying to maintain eye contact, but the girl doesn't want to? Does that mean I'm ugly?

Depends on what you classify eye contact



And we keep the white knighting in this thread to a minimum? Girl is not infintalising to women don't be ridiculous

[computers putin']

I just walk up and say "eight inches", then I slowly walk away, turn my head back, and give a wink.

[spiderman123]

I just walk up and say "eight inches", then I slowly walk away, turn my head back, and give a wink.

and they give you an eye roll

[Pimpwerx]

I guess, based on your user name, I shouldn't be too offended. Yeah, I talk like this with my friends. My friends tend to be part of a group of people that is strongly feminist and very thoughtful. Daily recognition of patriarchy, racism, and other oppressive forces allows us to radically resist them whenever we encounter them. Calling women "girls" is one small example, and yes, from my partner to the women with whom I am friends, they all dislike and ridicule the process of infantilizing women and calling them girls.

You're the exception to the rule, so you're better off keeping that shit to yourself. I was gonna get in your ass some more, but I'll just say that you're breaking obvious man laws here. Quit while you're far, far behind. PEACE.

[Eggman]

[JokerOfSpades]

Man laws?

EDIT: lol

[shanshan310]

and they give you an eye roll

or possibly a pained wince.

[Messypandas]

I just walk up and say "eight inches", then I slowly walk away, turn my head back, and give a wink.

It ain't the size of the boat mang its the motion of the ocean

[maquiladora]

And we keep the white knighting in this thread to a minimum? Girl is not infintalising to women don't be ridiculous

I think that was a reference to the Simon Pegg/Cosplay twitter drama where one of the complaints that woman had with his tweet was calling the cosplayers girls and not women.

Edit : nvm, now I see the rest of the thread...

[Pimpwerx]

Man laws? EDIT: lol

If I was his friend, and he told me or my friends that, we'd laugh and tell him to stfu. Who the hell corrects another man about calling a woman a girl? It's a term of endearment. PEACE.

[dokish]

Well, you've come to the right place.

[shanshan310]

And we keep the white knighting in this thread to a minimum? Girl is not infintalising to women don't be ridiculous

To be fair, it kinda is. Unless its by a much older male, you never see men in their 20's+ referred to as boys. People are entitled to opinions about women, that doesn't make them automatically white knights. Its so tiring to hear this complaint used as an excuse to stifle discussion.

[Messypandas]

I think that was a reference to the Simon Pegg/Cosplay twitter drama where one of the complaints that woman had with his tweet was calling the cosplayers girls and not women.

G**l's just wanna have fun sufferage

[JokerOfSpades]

Okay... so, and I realized this before now, everyone's friends are really just a group of confirmation biases. Everyone thinks that the world is exactly how they and their group imagine it to be, from the opinions that they hold or otherwise, just because they're similar in certain ways. In the end, it could not be further from the truth.

Which is odd, because you'd imagine that people would eventually come upon a sizable group of people that disagree with them.

Evidently there are more chameleons than I initially believed. It's all up to who gets to them, save for a few beliefs that are actually widely held.

[Pimpwerx]

To be fair, it kinda is. Unless its by a much older male, you never see men in their 20's+ referred to as boys.

"Chilling with my boys." Used it a plethora of times during the NBA Finals, when my...boys came over to watch the games. The puritans were marginalized in this society about 3 centuries ago. PEACE.

EDIT: Anyway, I'm done black knighting. I'll just laugh from the shadows.

[magicstop]

You're the exception to the rule, so you're better off keeping that shit to yourself. I was gonna get in your ass some more, but I'll just say that you're breaking obvious man laws here. Quit while you're far, far behind. PEACE.

Ah-ha . . . moving on . . .

I think the repeated advice given in this thread that is worth noting is to talk to people like people. Resist the tendency to separate them out, make them worthy of anxiety or stress or fear or adoration. People are people, man or woman, and you're good to go when speaking to them. There's no reason to be anxious or even PREPARED or have something to talk about. Just talk, let silence be comfortable, remember than no one has any reason to judge or degrade you, and that your life goes on even after failed conversations.

[Eggman]

To be fair, it kinda is. Unless its by a much older male, you never see men in their 20's+ referred to as boys.

It's already been said that the equivalent is "guys." It's not really referring to a girl.

[JokerOfSpades]

To be fair, it kinda is. Unless its by a much older male, you never see men in their 20's+ referred to as boys. People are entitled to opinions about women, that doesn't make them automatically white knights. Its so tiring to hear this complaint used as an excuse to stifle discussion.

They certainly aren't referred to as men, either. And some women do choose to use "boy" when describing college-aged guys.

Besides, as I said - it gets weird at an older age. College aged, not so much.

[oneils]

Get a retail job. No seriously. Being forced to talk to people all day every day does wonders for your people skills.

This actually works. I was pretty shy as a teenager. That kind of went away when forced to get in there and make sales. Try to get a part time job where you are actually on the floor trying to engaging customers.

I worked at a fish market, and I found that I got more confidence there then I did at my fast food job. Fast food could still work, but your average interaction with a customer is less than a minute.

This is more advice on how to help alleviate shyness, in general, than on how to talk to women. But, really, advice on how to talk to women is not much different. Just treat them like any other normal person. Now, if you want advice on flirting just say nice things. Stay away from cheesy one-liners and lewd jokes unless you really know the person well.

[shanshan310]

They certainly aren't referred to as men, either.

But... I just did... right there in my paragraph. I hear it all the time.

[Scrow]

I want to know how to talk to girls.

talk to them like they're another human being. as a male i know that can be difficult to do, but it really helps.

[Pimpwerx]

But... I just did... right there in my paragraph. I hear it all the time.

If I said "Chilling with my men." it would sound like I'm fielding an army or militia. GAF...where you hope the sterility doesn't just extend to the conversation. I'll stop now...I swear. PEACE.

[Messypandas]

But... I just did... right there in my paragraph. I hear it all the time.

Thank god you live in a world where none of this is context sensitive.

[JokerOfSpades]

But... I just did... right there in my paragraph. I hear it all the time.

College-aged? Huh. Never heard it.

I mean, if they're joking you might hear something about being a "grown-ass man," but otherwise I hear "guys" mostly.

Although, Pimpwerx was right about one thing - guys do refer to each other as boys all the time. Men is rarer than either in a social context (from what I've heard, of course). And again, I've heard women do the same. Of course, "man" is not so rare for them.

[shanshan310]

College-aged? Huh. Never heard it. I mean, if they're joking you might hear something about being a "grown-ass man," but otherwise I hear "guys" mostly. Although, Pimpwerx was right about one thing - guys do refer to each other as boys all the time. Men is rarer than either in a social context (from what I've heard, of course). And again, I've heard women do the same. Of course, "man" is not so rare for them.

Variations in the language I guess. No one university age is referred to as 'boy' here, even in a friendly social context (chillin' with my boys etc). Guys is the most common yes, but in more formal situations you'll hear man.

Thank god you live in a world where none of this is context sensitive.

He said no one in their 20's is referred to as man, when I just did. What's your point?