[FelixOrion]

The destruction of the Death Star was an inside job. There is no way one lone starfighter, armed with proton torpedoes, could EVER hit a ray-shielded thermal exhaust port only 2 meters in diameter. There's a reason Wedge said "That's impossible, even for a computer!" because it is, you sheeple!

It was all one big cover up by Tarkin and Vader and the Emperor, duh!

[metalslimer]

Just for the record, I think the Moon Landing conspiracies are offensive.

Agreed. On the dark side of the moon made me cringe anytime I hear anyone who actually believes we didn't go there. Also I'm sure Russia would have called us on our bullshit if we had faked it so many times.

[DarkKyo]

Aliens. The Universe is so fucking big.

Uhh.. I don't think "aliens exist" is a conspiracy theory, lol. Conspiracy implies there is something being intentionally hidden from the public.

[Spring-Loaded]

The Tuskegee Experiment.

[PantherLotus]

Agreed. On the dark side of the moon made me cringe anytime I hear anyone who actually believes we didn't go there. Also I'm sure Russia would have called us on our bullshit if we had faked it so many times.

My take is from a scientific one. Not believing it happened is two breaths away from believing global warming is a hoax and evolution isn't real. We need to stop coddling nincompoops.

[mysterj]

Well there are already conspiracy theories that did turned out to be true, many of which officially confirmed through released documents.

To name a few big ones:

1. During WW1, sinking of RMS Lusitania resulted in entrance of Americans into war, German embassy warned American passengers well in advance because the British ship was sailing into contested water carrying weapons and ammunitions.

2. Hitler burned the German parliament down, then blamed communists for it and enacted laws that gave him greater power.

3. FDR were well aware of the imminent Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, losses were minimized by pulling away aircraft carriers and newly built battleships and destroyers.

4. Gulf of Tonkin incident, which resulted the involvement of US in the Vietnam civil war, were a fabricated event that never happend.

Also CIA were smuggling drugs into US in the 1980s, plus they were many government that were overthrown all over the world by CIA, most prominent of which was Iran, they also recently tried to overthrow Chavez.

[PantherLotus]

Can you elaborate and/or source #3 please?

[jufonuk]

Roswell and the whole Goverment Cover-up of UFO's etc
(tin foil hat time)

that and the reverse vampires

[KidGalactus]

Roswell and the whole Goverment Cover-up of UFO's etc (tin foil hat time) that and the reverse vampires

What the hell is a reverse vampire?

Do they spit blood into you?

[jufonuk]

What the hell is a reverse vampire? Do they spit blood into you?

Simpsons Reference

[joseph1594]

Can you elaborate and/or source #3 please?

Yeah, I am pretty sure there is no conclusive proof on whether FDR knew about Pearl Harbor. The United States knew that a Japanese attack was coming, but didn't know the when and where.

[Colonel Nasty]

Roswell and the whole Goverment Cover-up of UFO's etc (tin foil hat time) that and the reverse vampires

I live in Roswell and older men here swear by it being real.

[Kozak]

Just gotta check something:

Its common belief that teen sensations like Justin Bieber and One Direction are just studio created right?

[Evlar]

That Stalin had Lenin assassinated.

[jufonuk]

I live in Roswell and older men here swear by it being real.

Cool,

i wonder if we will ever know the truth? or are they gonna keep it hidden? (ok I sound like a fox Mulder rip-off) dammit :P

[BocoDragon]

Just gotta check something: Its common belief that teen sensations like Justin Bieber and One Direction are just studio created right?

You mean like... cloned in a laboratory? :P

Obviously they are trained by record labels, have song writers, and are pushed by a marketing machine.

It's not like the world just discovered Justin Bieber en masse on their own.

[Colonel Nasty]

Cool, i wonder if we will ever know the truth? or are they gonna keep it hidden? (ok I sound like a fox Mulder rip-off) dammit :P

My mother worked at the airport when we first moved out here and I've been in the hangers where they supposedly kept "the stuff." It hasn't been used in years so it definitely has that creepy vibe.

[Bo]

Doubtful that it constitutes a theory as such, but I've a pet idea that I have no means of verifying one way or another: what if Area 51 (at the very least post-UFO craze) is a honeypot for attention, fenced and protected with its numerous measures and personnel so as to unceasingly hold the attention of your average citizen? Empty hangars or ones otherwise populated with vehicles long since known to the general public, while at the same time bleeding edge tech is taken for a spin at locations lacking even a thousandth of 51's scrutiny.

Well, that's at least what I'd do with an Area 51 on my hands.

[BoatAck]

Simpsons Reference

The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish
plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

[Kozak]

You mean like... cloned in a laboratory? :P Obviously they are trained by record labels, have song writers, and are pushed by a marketing machine. It's not like the world just discovered Justin Bieber en masse on their own.

Yeah and just stuff like Justin getting noticed first on youtube which I think is actually a scam and was set up by his label. Same as One Direction, I wouldn't doubt they were rigged to win the X Factor competition.

[jufonuk]

Doubtful that it constitutes a theory as such, but I've a pet idea that I have no means of verifying one way or another: what if Area 51 (at the very least post-UFO craze) is a honeypot for attention, fenced and protected with its numerous measures and personnel so as to unceasingly hold the attention of your average citizen? Empty hangars or ones otherwise populated with vehicles long since known to the general public, while at the same time bleeding edge tech is taken for a spin at locations lacking even a thousandth of 51's scrutiny. Well, that's at least what I'd do with an Area 51 on my hands.

I agree, sometimes it could be used to cover up the hi tech stuff , other times it could be UFO's

Timothy Good's books are great, check out above top secret.

any ways paging Meus (Jason Raize now) and Kharvey.. come one in!!

I am holding off on turning this into a UFO thread...so must not post anymore about UFO

The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

eheh that's the one :) cool thanks

other conspiracys err I still think about the oil conspiracy, that we can run cars on water, Alternative fules but they cannot regulate such a freely available sources.. so they keep it hidden/buy out the tech etc and keep us reliant on fossil fuels.

Due to all the money built up around oil sales, etc.

[zerotol]

Well there are already conspiracy theories that did turned out to be true, many of which officially confirmed through released documents. To name a few big ones: 1. During WW1, sinking of RMS Lusitania resulted in entrance of Americans into war, German embassy warned American passengers well in advance because the British ship was sailing into contested water carrying weapons and ammunitions. 2. Hitler burned the German parliament down, then blamed communists for it and enacted laws that gave him greater power. 3. FDR were well aware of the imminent Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, losses were minimized by pulling away aircraft carriers and newly built battleships and destroyers. 4. Gulf of Tonkin incident, which resulted the involvement of US in the Vietnam civil war, were a fabricated event that never happend. Also CIA were smuggling drugs into US in the 1980s, plus they were many government that were overthrown all over the world by CIA, most prominent of which was Iran, they also recently tried to overthrow Chavez.

It's already been asked but can you provide more info regarding number 3 ?

[mysterj]

Can you elaborate and/or source #3 please?

Well FDR has got to be a gigantic idiot to not expect an attack, considering it was he who provoked the Japanese in the first place by placing oil embargo.

Here's some quote:
"Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way—and we knew their over-all import—pointed that way."

[MechDX]

Well FDR has got to be a gigantic idiot to not expect an attack, considering it was he who provoked the Japanese in the first place by placing oil embargo. Here's some quote: "Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way—and we knew their over-all import—pointed that way."

That isnt evidence.

[jufonuk]

Again Cracked.com has articles on such things lol

[DarkHeartedKill]

The Jesus boodline made me laugh. Also creation of disease conspiracy wouldn't surprise me.

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Well FDR has got to be a gigantic idiot to not expect an attack, considering it was he who provoked the Japanese in the first place by placing oil embargo.

Suggesting that he was trying to provoke a war with Japan is one thing, it's quite another to suggest that he literally knew the day and date that a war would come, and that it would be a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor without an official declaration. If they did know, it would have been far more prudent to withdraw the majority of the fleet and only lose a couple (while still easily being able to whip the country into a fervor over it). That way, they wouldn't have been on the defensive for the opening stages of the war. Heck, it would have been perfectly adequate to make significant defensive preparations for the attack, and say that they knew it was coming, because whether or not the Japanese were successful in their attack was utterly irrelevant. An act of war is an act of war.

It's not really a secret that the president and many others wanted to enter the war in Europe despite there not being a lot of public support for it, and they were doing everything in their power short of declaring war to support the UK and Russia in their struggle ("the great arsenal of democracy" etc), but what you're saying here is not likely, and not supported by evidence.

[PantherLotus]

Well FDR has got to be a gigantic idiot to not expect an attack, considering it was he who provoked the Japanese in the first place by placing oil embargo. Here's some quote: "Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way—and we knew their over-all import—pointed that way."

You said losses were minimized by pulling away carriers and destroyers, and that FDR knew an attack was imminent. What does some quote (your words) have to do with this?

I ask because I've heard this referenced before but I have no idea where it's coming from, not that it isn't obvious.

[viciouskillersquirrel]

I live in Roswell and older men here swear by it being real.

The main issue I have about it is that a lot of the detail and myth making didn't come out until years later. There's no way now to distinguish signal from noise.

My guess is that a top secret piece of human technology crashed or exploded, maybe a missile, plane or something else not meant for public eyes and the original headline was a big misunderstanding between someone in the Air Force and at the newspaper. Then the weather balloon story happened etc.

All the same, the Roswell story is fascinating and I'd love to hear some of the stories that float around the town.

[gabbo]

The Jesus boodline made me laugh. Also creation of disease conspiracy wouldn't surprise me.

AIDS spread when used as vaccine for Hep B/small pox/etc?

[highluxury]

Since Area 51 & JFK are covered I'll say...

The Illuminati, Freemasons and the possibility that this world is run by a secret society or superior family that dictates the politics of this worlds, puppeteers & elects who gets to be in position of power.

[JokerOfSpades]

Area 51

That about covers it.

[Jason Raize '75 - '04]

People who think Area 51/alien visitors are real- why do you believe that? Why is there a cover-up?

Think of it as a puzzle board game. Every recorded incident and account represents a piece of the puzzle and which ever of these accounts characterise an object unlikely to be conventional is placed on the board. The lack of conclusive evidence to show the object was alien in nature means some pieces of the board are missing or unable to connect to each other. But if you've ever played a puzzle board game, you'll know that even with pieces missing, the picture can become clear - however it is still incomplete.

One of the biggest issues with this conspiracy theory that makes sets it apart from other conspiracy theories is that, there is no real opinion of why there would be a conspiracy - at least not one that people can agree on to be the most likely.

My guess is that a top secret piece of human technology crashed or exploded, maybe a missile, plane or something else not meant for public eyes and the original headline was a big misunderstanding between someone in the Air Force and at the newspaper. Then the weather balloon story happened etc.

How can you confuse a weather balloon with a flying saucer? I've always thought this suggestion to be less plausible than the alien explanation itself.

[C4Lukins]

JFK is the only big one for me. And with that I only think more people could have been involved in the planning of it then just Gary Oldman. No multiple shooters or anything like that.

Area 51 is not really a conspiracy theory. We pretty much know that it was some sort of secret base for testing aircraft. It only becomes a conspiracy theory when you start involving aliens and I think that is all bull shit.

[viciouskillersquirrel]

The Republican party doesn't really believe in overturning Roe v Wade. They're just in it to get deeply religious voters in on the "Give our donors tax cuts" bandwagon.

[Iamwolfthing]

Of the ones I'm aware of, the Moon landings have the most realistic-sounding evidence behind them, even if every piece of 'evidence' has been shot down :P No chance with 9/11, Illuminati, or any of David Icke's nonsense

During the right time, you can go your local observatory and look at the flag planted by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. If that doesn't convince you, I don't know what would.

[DarkHeartedKill]

AIDS spread when used as vaccine for Hep B/small pox/etc?

Okay, part of it. Just the creation of said disease, not how it's been claimed to be distributed.

[a Master Ninja]

During the right time, you can go your local observatory and look at the flag planted by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. If that doesn't convince you, I don't know what would.

Not even the most powerful telescopes ever made are able to see these objects.

The moon landing is real, but a telescope on Earth can't see any of it.

[Kabouter]

Well FDR has got to be a gigantic idiot to not expect an attack, considering it was he who provoked the Japanese in the first place by placing oil embargo. Here's some quote: "Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way—and we knew their over-all import—pointed that way."

Let's get a few things straight:

A. Japan provoked the US into the oil embargo by trying to create a vast empire based upon brutal conquest and the slaughter of millions. The oil embargo was meant to check Japanese expansion, not provoke them into an action against the US. A tough measure like the oil embargo, by the way, was really the only tool left after every other diplomatic option to check Japanese expansion had failed.

B. The United States did expect an attack, things had diplomatically been escalating for quite some time, and Japan showed an increasing unwillingness to settle things in this way. What the United States did not expect was an attack on Pearl Harbor, which they, and the rest of the world with them, thought beyond the range of the Imperial Navy of Japan. You have to realize that the Pacific is gigantic, and ranges of carriers in those days were limited. The US expected more something along the lines of an attack on Guam or the Philippines (which did both happen immediately after the attacks on Pearl Harbor)

C. As regards your original claim, the United States did turn out to be lucky that its Pacific fleet carriers were out at sea when the Japanese struck. However, the popular suggestion these days that the US allowed the attack to happen and withdrew its carriers because it felt those were by far the most important, is based largely on our current knowledge of the importance of carriers in World War 2. Prior to Pearl Harbor, we had only seen one major victory gained purely by carrier aircraft. While people realized of course that carriers had increased in importance, no one thought they would dominate in the way that they eventually did. This can be seen from the fact that Nazi Germany emphasized battleship production in the run up to World War 2, in Japan throughout the Pacific war largely holding back its battleships for that decisive naval battle between battleships that was never to come and so on. People fail to realize that when it comes to strategy in war, paradigm shifts only tend to occur after defeats, without that, nations tend to stick with what worked in the past, something which the Second World War provides us with quite a few examples of.

Edit: Oh, and this:
D. Pearl Harbor did not secure America's entry into the European theatre, nor was it ever likely to. Germany and Italy had to declare war themselves, presumably because Japan promised Germany support against the Soviet Union, for the US to get involved fully. It is far from certain that Roosevelt could have gotten a declaration of war against Germany through congress.

[Orayn]

Not even the most powerful telescopes ever made are able to see these objects. The moon landing is real, but a telescope on Earth can't see any of it.

From Earth, you can prove the veracity of the Moon landing with lasers, since we set up some reflectors there for that exact purpose.

[gabbo]

Okay, part of it. Just the creation of said disease, not how it's been claimed to be distributed.

Oh, that area tends to get into a lot of bigoted nonsense

[MattKeil]

I respectfully disagree. The 2nd shot that blew his forehead to oblivion and landed all the brain matter onto the back of the car (that Jackie O climbed up and grabbed) had to have come from in front of the car IMHO.

Nope. Extensive ballistics tests back up the notion that the shot that did it came from above and behind. A shot from the front would have caused an explosion out the back of his head, because bullets travel through their target in the direction they are shot.

The Zapruder film pretty much closes the book on the matter. Oswald shot him. Now, why Oswald shot him...that's the more interesting and certainly more relevant question. I don't necessarily disbelieve Oswald when he says "I'm a patsy," even if he was the shooter.

[Kubricks Ghost]

The Hubble space telescope never worked and all images of the universe are given to us by aliens.

Yes I made that up. I believe the JFK conspiracy. Back and to the left. Back and to the left.

[a Master Ninja]

From Earth, you can prove the veracity of the Moon landing with lasers, since we set up some reflectors there for that exact purpose.

How do the conspiracy nuts explain that away?

[Log4Girlz]

From Earth, you can prove the veracity of the Moon landing with lasers, since we set up some reflectors there for that exact purpose.

LOL, yeah keep telling yourself that. Those were placed by autonomous orbiters ;)

[Orayn]

How do the conspiracy nuts explain that away?

Invisible hover-drones set up in the atmosphere of the Earth to reflect the lasers in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as the lunar reflectors would? Black magic? Time magic? Beats me.

LOL, yeah keep telling yourself that. Those were placed by autonomous orbiters ;)

JOKE'S ON YOU, SINCE THE MOON IS MADE OUT OF AETHER AND DOESN'T HAVE A SOLID SURFACE!

[Jason Raize '75 - '04]

But to be fair, it has two sets of groups who believe it.

1. We never went there, full stop.
2. We went there but faked the landing footage

But there was an epic debunking done in a documentary that replicated the photo conditions here on Earth where they reproduced the same 'inconsistencies' regarding reflection, terrain and the stars.

[Combichristoffersen]

JFK, I'd say.

Also, the killing of Olof Palme. Obviously the most likely explanation is that Christer Petterson was the perpetrator, either mistaking Palme for someone else (the drug dealer Sigge Cedergren, as has been suggested), or just being hopped up on one of his usual amphetamine binges. But there are so many things, especially surrounding the police reaction immediately after the killing, plus observations done the night of the killing and Petterson's physical condition after 2-3 decades of drug and alcohol abuse making it unlikely he'd be able to run for a long distance + run up a flight of stairs, that IMO go against him being the possible killer. And it shouldn't be forgotten that Palme was a controversial, and in some circles outright hated, man.

[Orayn]

But to be fair, it has two sets of groups who believe it. 1. We never went there, full stop. 2. We went there but faked the landing footage But there was an epic debunking done in a documentary that replicated the photo conditions here on Earth where they reproduced the same 'inconsistencies' regarding reflection, terrain and the stars.

I'll see your "epic debunking" and raise you a Phil Plait. (No seriously, I want to see it. Link?)

[SirChained]

How do the conspiracy nuts explain that away?

You don't need humans to place something dude. We sent robots to place those reflectors and claimed it was humans.