[Riggs]

She's so annoying, zero class lol. To say the least.

[IrishNinja]

she didn't throw up signs. this likely had 0% to do with her sister, seriously people.

Serena never had class, so this is not surprising. I still tap that booty though.

hmmm

Youtube comments ahoy hahaha

haha, that was fast

Hell no, and I still don't see how any of that justifies it.

so you've never been to a club? im learning a lot here.
for real though, i grew up in a neighborhood fucked right up by gangs, this isn't that at all. did she have a blue rag hanging out of her pocket? cmon now.

[VelvetMouth]

Exactly. She was sending a message. First she won a Golden Grand Slam on the world tennis stage and now she's going to win a Grand Slam on the streets of Los Angeles.

What a champion.

[Htown]

Can we talk about how "lacking class" and being "classless" is applied to black athletes so much?

Or do y'all not want to deal with that?

[woolley]

I'm frankly not sure where you're going with this.

Isn't it obvious? This dance clearly shows that Serena hates her sister.

[Ninja Scooter]

She's so annoying, zero class lol. To say the least.

don't need no class when you got dat...

[NullPointer]

Fuck you Puerto Rico.

Hey now... those are my peeps.

But as I'm half Puerto Rican and half Irish, I guess that makes me a Shark and a Jet.

[Riggs]

don't need no class when you got dat...

Dat what ? Lol she's built like a man

[woodypop]

It's classier than threatening the lineswoman.

Heh, that made me laugh.

[Ninja Scooter]

Can we talk about how "lacking class" and being "classless" is applied to black athletes so much? Or do y'all not want to deal with that?

Why can't they just be gritty?

[DY_nasty]

Can we talk about how "lacking class" and being "classless" is applied to black athletes so much? Or do y'all not want to deal with that?

this one isn't a black/white thing. please don't turn this thread into that when people are already trying sooooooo fucking hard to do so

and no, she's been actin a fool for damn near a decade now

lets be real

edit: i take it back, fuck it. lets do that too and get all of gafs "black ppl cray/double standards/i knew it was rap culture" out of way in the beginning of the month

[Devolution]

this one isn't a black/white thing. please don't turn this thread into that when people are already trying sooooooo fucking hard to do so and no, she's been actin a fool for damn near a decade now lets be real

Venus is the classier one. We all know this.

[cousins]

I don't think she had I'll intentions, I just think she lacks class. She proves it again and again with her behavior on the court.

Man, I don't think it has anything to do with class, and I think it has everything to do with her being excited. It's a fucking dance. Ryan Lochte lacks class by being a douchebag, have you anything poor to say about him? Anyway, the more I hear about it, the less I care. I just hadn't realized it was mainstream now. I'd seen people fucking around doing it, but I always assumed it was still stupid to do in front of the wrong people.

[Riggs]

this one isn't a black/white thing. please don't turn this thread into that when people are already trying sooooooo fucking hard to do so and no, she's been actin a fool for damn near a decade now lets be real

She throws tantrum all the time, cries, complains, when she don't get her way. Never liked her, shit isn't about race Htown.

While the dance did originate from the crips and had ties to being a member of that gang for years I feel like it has become so mainstream in popular culture that it really doesnt have the same meaning or hold a strong effect like it once did. A prime example is the fact that many people in this very thread did not even know that this "dance" originated from crips. Media will make a big deal out of this probably due to all the tie ins (Compton, Crips, sister death due to gang violence and that serena is black) but I really think it was a spur of the moment thing and she didnt mean anything by it.

Exactly it's just bad taste to do that in the public eye on national tv as an athlete. But she's lacks any form of tact so there you have it .... the video in the OP.

[Dre3001]

While the dance did originate from the crips and had ties to being a member of that gang for years I feel like it has become so mainstream in popular culture that it really doesnt have the same meaning or hold a strong effect like it once did.

A prime example is the fact that many people in this very thread did not even know that this "dance" originated from crips.

Media will make a big deal out of this probably due to all the tie ins (Her being from Compton, Crips, sister death due to gang violence and that serena is black) but I really think it was a spur of the moment thing and she didnt mean anything by it.

[VelvetMouth]

Isn't it obvious? This dance clearly shows that Serena hates her sister.

My sister was gunned down by the crips, I'll celebrate my win doing the C walk.

[commedieu]

Can we talk about how "lacking class" and being "classless" is applied to black athletes so much? Or do y'all not want to deal with that?

I'd like to talk about how Americans are some how known for our legendary class, and how this is such a significant blow to it.

Anyone..?

[MIMIC]

Serena may not be the classiest of tennis players (and I say this as a fan) but the dancing isn't a show of classlessness, IMO.

Case in point: Serena makes fun of a fellow tennis player, and the reporters laugh along with her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4DHC...R1MvyA#t=0m56s

(it's hilarious though, lol)

[Htown]

My sister was gunned down by the crips, I'll celebrate my win doing the C walk.

So you DO think that she hates her sister?

Or do you think that she's stupid? Which is it?

[Slayven]

She throws tantrum all the time, cries, complains, when she don't get her way. Never liked her, shit isn't about race Htown. Exactly it's just bad taste to do that in the public eye on national tv as an athlete. But she's lacks any form of tact so there you have it .... the video in the OP.

When did she switch over to soccer?

[VelvetMouth]

Man, I don't think it has anything to do with class, and I think it has everything to do with her being excited. It's a fucking dance. Ryan Lochte lacks class by being a douchebag, have you anything poor to say about him? Anyway, the more I hear about it, the less I care. I just hadn't realized it was mainstream now. I'd seen people fucking around doing it, but I always assumed it was still stupid to do in front of the wrong people.

Serena and Ryan are both douchebags, good enough?

[GrizzNKev]

[DY_nasty]

Serena may not be the classiest of tennis players (and I say this as a fan) but the dancing isn't a show of classlessness, IMO.

its about as classy as dancing in the endzone

which is definitely frowned upon - but this is america. like we give a fuck lol

where you at sharapova? u mad serena stylin on u? y u mad sharapova?

[Dreams-Visions]

It associated with the West Coast gang, the Crips, in the United States. Doing that dance is like flashing a gang sign. I think the criticism comes from glorifying or giving a national stage to a violent gangs in the United States.

lol, the fuck is this post.

[Xenon]

Can we talk about how "lacking class" and being "classless" is applied to black athletes so much? Or do y'all not want to deal with that?

Well show us some other athletes who did a dance after they won? I'd call them classless as well. It's more about lack of respect for a fellow athlete, than anything else.

[JCX]

Personally. I am offended by any athlete who wears the American flag because I,like most people, obviously associate the stars and stripes with the forced relocation and genocide of Native Americans.

[JABEE]

Can we talk about how "lacking class" and being "classless" is applied to black athletes so much? Or do y'all not want to deal with that?

Serena Williams has gotten in trouble a lot for on-court behavior. At least from a hockey standpoint. Hockey players are constantly referred to as classless. Marchand, Carcillo, Crosby, Cooke, Avery. The list goes on. This isn't something that has to do with being a black athlete. Athletes who do controversial things are often subject to the "classless" word. I don't even know if I'd describe Serena's actions as classless. She shouldn't have done that specific dance on a national stage, but it isn't that egregious of an act. It has nothing to do with the way she plays tennis.

[Htown]

its about as classy as dancing in the endzone

I miss the good endzone dances. :(

EDIT:

I just don't see how a celebratory dance after a victory is disrespectful to the opponent unless you're up in their face with it or some nonsense. It's natural to be happy when you do well, and it's natural to dance when you feel happy.

Lighten the fuck up, people.

[woolley]

its about as classy as dancing in the endzone which is definitely frowned upon - but this is america. like we give a fuck lol where you at sharapova? u mad serena stylin on u? y u mad sharapova?

What? Who hates dancing in the endzone?

[Slayven]

Can we talk about how "lacking class" and being "classless" is applied to black athletes so much? Or do y'all not want to deal with that?

You getting too real H, the tread about how all black people rep the race whether doing good or bad is a whole nother thread.

[cheststrongwell]

What? Who hates dancing in the endzone?

Snooty assholes, that's who.

[Agnostic]

The long version of the video shows her throwing up a 5 point star in the air and then shooting it.

[JABEE]

lol, the fuck is this post.

Someone was asking why there is controversy. That is what people are including in their criticism.

[VelvetMouth]

So you DO think that she hates her sister? Or do you think that she's stupid? Which is it?

I think she's stupid and does things without thinking it through. Even though the dance is commonplace, you would think somebody who had a family member killed by the gang it's named after would think twice about doing it on a world stage. Serena clearly doesn't care so it doesn't really matter I guess.

[SoulPlaya]

They are gone and forgotten to most adults, and people who no longer get jacked for their bikes from their local bps members(which happened to me.) People aren't crip walking anymore. Its old, and dead. Its mainstream. I'm sorry that your friend was murdered over gang violence. But Serena, who was also affected by gang violence, is doing the harmless dance, because its harmless. Everyone does it, and even in this thread, internationally its done, as a dance. It has roots, but those roots are no longer associated with having a good time on a dance floor, and just maybe, people aren't always directly associating it with a decade ass old trend that people used to do. Which you can't acknowledge. I can see where you're coming from, but you're not going to ever get anywhere with your few instances of it still being associated with legit bangin in certain places, at certain times, on certain days. And that sure as hell isn't the overall message behind her dance, and even in the context of her dance, an olympic victory dance, with NO SETS/SIGNS isn't seen by anyone as an announcement of her Cripdom(which murdered someone she knew..)

The dance isn't a decade old. It's from the 70's, and Crips still do it (at least, a good number of Crip gangs do). Also, it's not sometimes. It's everyday. It's also not getting your bike stolen, it's murder. They do the dance to celebrate having killed someone.

It just depends on where you're from, and what you do. You dance, you party, and watch movies and music videos, and think it's just some cool dance. I don't dance, I don't party, and I don't keep up with mainstream culture, honestly. I spend my days hanging out in gang infested neighborhoods in Chicago (and a small bit of it volunteering in them), and my youth had a lot of gang instances (mainly due to friends in them). It's just our experiences and own opinions that will define how we view this. Thank you for respecting mine, and I'll respect your's.

[cousins]

Personally. I am offended by any athlete who wears the American flag because I,like most people, obviously associate the stars and stripes with the forced relocation and genocide of Native Americans.

Ha, if only.

[PhoenixPause]

Awesome, another chance for folks to call a black athlete a thug, classless, etc

Where I live you don't fucking crip walk period. Why because fucking Mutts (Bulldogs) will think you're a crip and fuck you up. Stop trying to act like you know shit. This shit is still gang related no matter how many corny ass white kids do it in a club thinking they are cool.

This. Corny ass (white) hipsters haven't changed this, it's still a crip dance.

That being said, I have no problem with this and the controversy is laughable. She did a dance, she isn't condoning gang activity. Her sister got killed over that shit.

[Riggs]

I think she's stupid and does things without thinking it through. Even though the dance is commonplace, you would think somebody who had a family member killed by the gang it's named after would think twice about doing it on a world stage. Serena clearly doesn't care so it doesn't really matter I guess.

Her sister was killed by a crip member? I just knew it was gang related .... lol wow if that's true.

[DY_nasty]

Well show us some other athletes who did a dance after they won? I'd call them classless as well. It's more about lack of respect for a fellow athlete, than anything else.

you dont remember the american track dudes flexing all over the flags after they won a relay 8 years ago? the shit talk in boxing [I]every[/I year? mofos losing their shit in fencing? phelps goin super saiyan on the french?

our leading export is classlessness during the olympics. other countries just accept the douchebaggery at this point. we do it EVERY year

What? Who hates dancing in the endzone?

the sad mofos getting styled on and the ones that can't dance

[twinturbo2]

She won Olympic gold. Let her celebrate a little.

[pigeon]

She throws tantrum all the time, cries, complains, when she don't get her way. Never liked her, shit isn't about race Htown.

If you guys get angry when a tennis player acts like a child, you must find every tennis tournament ever pretty agonizing.

Well show us some other athletes who did a dance after they won? I'd call them classless as well. It's more about lack of respect for a fellow athlete, than anything else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kipiGPcj61Q

first google video link for "tennis players dancing", I have no idea what's happening in this clip

[commedieu]

The dance isn't a decade old. It's from the 70's, and Crips still do it (at least, a good number of Crip gangs do). Also, it's not sometimes. It's everyday. It's also not getting your bike stolen, it's murder. They do the dance to celebrate having killed someone. It just depends on where you're from, and what you do. You dance, you party, and watch movies and music videos, and think it's just some cool dance. I don't dance, I don't party, and I don't keep up with mainstream culture, honestly. I spend my days hanging out in gang infested neighborhoods in Chicago (and a small bit of it volunteering in them), and my youth had a lot of gang instances (mainly due to friends in them). It's just our experiences and own opinions that will define how we view this. Thank you for respecting mine, and I'll respect your's.

Well, let me correct you with 1 thing please. I don't think its a cool dance, but I'm sure you emant like "its ok to do." Thats based on my experience as growing up in los angeles, and seeing it change from just something WE did, as something that everyone now does. So its meaning and association with gangs is no longer there. Yes, in your parts its still the death sentence for anyone doing it. But for her, shes from my parts. And around here, its no longer gang related. But thats probably because the west coast, is the best coast :) YaayyyYAyyeee..

[DY_nasty]

The dance isn't a decade old. It's from the 70's, and Crips still do it (at least, a good number of Crip gangs do). Also, it's not sometimes. It's everyday. It's also not getting your bike stolen, it's murder. They do the dance to celebrate having killed someone. It just depends on where you're from, and what you do. You dance, you party, and watch movies and music videos, and think it's just some cool dance. I don't dance, I don't party, and I don't keep up with mainstream culture, honestly. I spend my days hanging out in gang infested neighborhoods in Chicago (and a small bit of it volunteering in them), and my youth had a lot of gang instances (mainly due to friends in them). It's just our experiences and own opinions that will define how we view this. Thank you for respecting mine, and I'll respect your's.

This shit is affecting you FAR more than it is affecting every one else.

Just so you know.

You keep reaching back to the gang shit - nobody really gives that much of a fuck anymore. It'd be one thing if she started stacking, but she didn't. She two stepped and diddy bopped and it really means all of the same thing to many at that level. Call it ignorant. Say it affects you. Say that she should've had better judgement. But you're fucking the shit out of a chicken because the majority of people doing that dance couldn't care less about its origin.

The gang shit affects me too and I still have the pleasure of getting shitty phone calls about cousins getting shot in stupid drivebys or having to send bail money home for all kinds of stupid reasons - but you gotta draw the line in your head about what is and what isn't worth getting mad about when it comes to stuff like this. Ignorance at all sides.

[SoulPlaya]

Well, let me correct you with 1 thing please. I don't think its a cool dance, but I'm sure you emant like "its ok to do." Thats based on my experience as growing up in los angeles, and seeing it change from just something WE did, as something that everyone now does. So its meaning and association with gangs is no longer there. Yes, in your parts its still the death sentence for anyone doing it. But for her, shes from my parts. And around here, its no longer gang related. But thats probably because the west coast, is the best coast :) YaayyyYAyyeee..

Let me ask you, and I mean this in the most respectful manner (seriously), did you grow up in a gang infested part of LA?

[squidyj]

If we did that all we would have is line dancing and the cabbage patch.

I want to hear the true history of the Hokey Pokey now....

I just really don't think you can take this behaviour as promoting a gang lifestyle or behaviour in any way shape or form, in either intent or effect.

[Riggs]

If you guys get angry when a tennis player acts like a child, you must find every tennis tournament ever pretty agonizing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kipiGPcj61Q first google video link for "tennis players dancing", I have no idea what's happening in this clip

lol I don't watch tennis .... but Serena Williams name is constantly in the news for acting like a douche bag, kind of hard to miss her antics since I read the news a lot.

[big_z]

did Amir0x molest half of gaf? seems like we cant link to a youtube video without comments about him.

[JokerOfSpades]

I swear, a good amount of GAF has a stick lodged up their asses.

[Roland Garros]

Ding ding ding.

SoulPlaya
Less cents than anyone
Today, 03:08 PM, Post #109

I mean, sorry to pick on you, but come on. Live your life. If you're wasting angry time on this, you live a mundane life.

[PhoReal]

Serena is a historical women's tennis player who should be celebrated for her incredible ability. This extra stuff is nonsense.