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Bulbo Urethral Baggins · (08-05-2012, 05:54 PM)

Originally Posted by cartoon_soldier:

Not going to jump to conclusions, but if this is related to religion...fuck this shit.

Fuck this shit for any reason.

SquiddyCracker · (08-05-2012, 05:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Zzoram:

What if the armed person was a card carrying NRA member with a permit to conceal trying to stop the shooter? How would SWAT be able to tell it's the shooter or a citizen trying to help?

... which is why citizens shouldn't be wearing guns.
You're making things harder for the cops.

Steelrain · (08-05-2012, 05:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Zzoram:

What if the armed person was a card carrying NRA member with a permit to conceal trying to stop the shooter?

Is this a serious question?

RustyNails · (08-05-2012, 05:55 PM)

cnn reporting number of shooters unconfirmed, and re-iterated white bald male suspect description

Riggs · (08-05-2012, 05:56 PM)

Originally Posted by Dishwalla:

Yeah, the Oak Creek police feed on Tune In Radio isn't saying anything about this either.

Ok weird, will keep listening.

Nerfgun · (08-05-2012, 05:56 PM)

Wow. Another one of these. Tragic.

How long until someone suggests that the entire Sikh temple should have been armed in order to prevent this...

crimzonflame · (08-05-2012, 05:56 PM)

So possibly a skinhead?

You Are Viewtiful · (08-05-2012, 05:58 PM)

Originally Posted by Steelrain:

I have no idea what is hard to understand about why the gunman would be shot. Maybe you can explain to me what you think should have happened.

I guess I have a problem with the word "believed". I would want policemen to be more sure than just "believed" before they start ending other people's lives. It has still not been verified that the person shot was the suspect and the word "believed" is still going around.

Zzoram · (08-05-2012, 05:58 PM)

Yep don't show SWAT movements.

*news helicopter above filming SWAT movements for shooters to see on TV*

Daydream Sequence · (08-05-2012, 05:58 PM)

Officer shot at scene, but he shot the shooter. At least one of them. And that shooter is dead.

NihonTiger90 · (08-05-2012, 05:58 PM)

Officer responded, shot multiple times, in the hospital and expected to survive.

Shooter down outside the temple.

spiderman123 · (08-05-2012, 05:59 PM)

Police Briefing is on.

One Officer Shot (will survive)

One Shooter is down ( the one that shot the officer)

Unconfirmed more shooters in building.

No victim count

Zzoram · (08-05-2012, 05:59 PM)

Originally Posted by Daydream Sequence:

Officer shot at scene, but he shot the shooter. At least one of them. And that shooter is dead.

Ok that's good. If the person shot an officer, then it was totally fair game to shoot back and kill the guy.

Funky Papa · (08-05-2012, 05:59 PM)

What a fucking mess :(

RustyNails · (08-05-2012, 06:00 PM)

1 officer and a suspect exchanged fire, officer injured, suspect was "put down"

The Technomancer · (08-05-2012, 06:00 PM)

Glad the guy went down relatively quickly it sounds like.

Daydream Sequence · (08-05-2012, 06:00 PM)

Originally Posted by Zzoram:

Ok that's good. If the person shot an officer, then it was totally fair game to shoot back and kill the guy.

Waving a gun around after shooting a bunch of people was reason enough. You don't have to shoot a cop to get yourself killed.

Air Zombie Meat · (08-05-2012, 06:00 PM)

Originally Posted by You Are Viewtiful:

I guess I have a problem with the word "believed". I would want policemen to be more sure than just "believed" before they start ending other people's lives. It has still not been verified that the person shot was the suspect and the word "believed" is still going around.

You're reading too much into it, that's just the way they word things. It's like how they call people suspects even if they've blatantly committed a crime.

kirblar · (08-05-2012, 06:00 PM)

Originally Posted by NihonTiger90:

Officer responded, shot multiple times, in the hospital and expected to survive.

Shooter down outside the temple.

Thank god for Kevlar.

Steelrain · (08-05-2012, 06:01 PM)

Originally Posted by You Are Viewtiful:

I guess I have a problem with the word "believed". I would want policemen to be more sure than just "believed" before they start ending other people's lives. It has still not been verified that the person shot was the suspect and the word "believed" is still going around.

I doubt very much that they just walked up in there and started blasting random people.

halogamer · (08-05-2012, 06:01 PM)

Fox News said children were hiding in closets :(

Bombadil · (08-05-2012, 06:02 PM)

Originally Posted by You Are Viewtiful:

I guess I have a problem with the word "believed". I would want policemen to be more sure than just "believed" before they start ending other people's lives. It has still not been verified that the person shot was the suspect and the word "believed" is still going around.

Dude, if a news station uses the word "believed" that doesn't mean you should assume that SWAT had the same level of uncertainty. "Believed to be..." is news reporter lingo. SWAT members don't indiscriminately shoot people. Let's not make this an argument about police protocol. If you recall, James Holmes wasn't shot despite being the shooter. If the SWAT members did happen to shoot someone in this incident, more than likely the person was behaving in a dangerous manner (brandishing weapon, firing weapon, etc).

Vice · (08-05-2012, 06:04 PM)

Originally Posted by You Are Viewtiful:

I guess I have a problem with the word "believed". I would want policemen to be more sure than just "believed" before they start ending other people's lives. It has still not been verified that the person shot was the suspect and the word "believed" is still going around.

It's just what they say until they can confirm what happened which will be after this event if over.

Emerson · (08-05-2012, 06:05 PM)

Originally Posted by Zzoram:

What if the armed person was a card carrying NRA member with a permit to conceal trying to stop the shooter? How would SWAT be able to tell it's the shooter or a citizen trying to help?

You really think this is something that SWAT and other police officers/military/anyone weilding a gun professionally aren't trained to handle? You don't just shoot somebody because they have a gun. You scream at them to drop the gun and get on the ground. If they act aggressively, that's when they get shot.

(not to say there's never been cases where the wrong person got shot, of course there have. but it's not like there's no established protocol for this)

speculawyer · (08-05-2012, 06:05 PM)

nm

RustyNails · (08-05-2012, 06:05 PM)

police briefing in half hour

NotTheGuyYouKill · (08-05-2012, 06:06 PM)

What the fuck? This is horrifying. Good that one of the shooters got taken down, but now there's another one around apparently? That is so fucked up. My whole family is Sikh, I'm sure this is gonna hit a few of them hard.

RDreamer · (08-05-2012, 06:07 PM)

I guess they shut off the gas and electricity. The police asked the news not to show any of the tactics they're doing in case a suspect inside is watching.

phosphor112 · (08-05-2012, 06:07 PM)

How much you wanna bet the gunman(men?) won't get called a terrorist?

BobLoblaw · (08-05-2012, 06:07 PM)

This fucking country man. There's a lot of good here, but it's being outdone by a lot of evil. >:|

spiderman123 · (08-05-2012, 06:07 PM)

A mother is outside and her children is inside. Come on man.

itxaka · (08-05-2012, 06:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Zzoram:

What if the armed person was a card carrying NRA member with a permit to conceal trying to stop the shooter? How would SWAT be able to tell it's the shooter or a citizen trying to help?

You drop the gun as soon as you see the swat guys

Im pretty sure they didn't just arrived and started shooting people down.

Sotha Sil · (08-05-2012, 06:08 PM)

Holy hell, children... I hope everyone is fine.

Zzoram · (08-05-2012, 06:08 PM)

Originally Posted by phosphor112:

How much you wanna bet the gunman(men?) won't get called a terrorist?

White? Not terrorist. He might get a fancy nickname from the media though.

Originally Posted by BobLoblaw:

What's the over/under of assault weapons being used?

They said 2 hand guns I think.

BobLoblaw · (08-05-2012, 06:09 PM)

What's the over/under of assault weapons being used?

Big Baybee · (08-05-2012, 06:09 PM)

Dude on CNN is just saying everything the police are doing. STFU!

Hoo-doo · (08-05-2012, 06:09 PM)

Originally Posted by BobLoblaw:

What's the over/under of assault weapons being used?

Two handguns, apparently.

NihonTiger90 · (08-05-2012, 06:09 PM)

It was a kid's birthday at the temple today. What the fuck :(

pigeon · (08-05-2012, 06:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Nerfgun:

Wow. Another one of these. Tragic.

How long until someone suggests that the entire Sikh temple should have been armed in order to prevent this...

Technically, they all should've been armed anyway, because they were Sikhs. But probably kirpans aren't really all that practical as self-defense against gunmen.

Zzoram · (08-05-2012, 06:10 PM)

Um what's with Fox asking:

"What do Sikh's believe? Why did they immigrate here?"

Wendel Clark · (08-05-2012, 06:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Zzoram:

Um what's with all this:

"What do Sikh's believe? Why did they immigrate here?"

yeah, I shook my head big time after hearing that.............

NihonTiger90 · (08-05-2012, 06:11 PM)

EDIT: Someone beat me to it. :p

lunarworks · (08-05-2012, 06:11 PM)

The shooter is a probably a Sikh.

I work with a Sikh, who lives in a community full of Sikhs (Brampton), an he says religious disputes at temples can occasionally get fairly heated. Every year or two around there someone goes absolutely nuts at a temple and stabs a bunch of people.

spiderman123 · (08-05-2012, 06:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Big Baybee:

Dude on CNN is just saying everything the police are doing. STFU!

I guess they received a lot of criticism of the Colorado Shooter and they are not jumping to conclusions ( or as fast)

SquiddyCracker · (08-05-2012, 06:12 PM)

Originally Posted by phosphor112:

How much you wanna bet the gunman(men?) won't get called a terrorist?

If they're white, they won't.

Zzoram · (08-05-2012, 06:12 PM)

Originally Posted by lunarworks:

The shooter is a probably a Sikh.

I work with a Sikh, who lives in a community full of Sikhs (Brampton), an he says religious disputes at temples can occasionally get fairly heated. Every year or two around there someone goes absolutely nuts at a temple and stabs a bunch of people.

Man armed with a knife is way easier to subdue than man armed with guns. They've already said bald white man.

Metroid Hunter · (08-05-2012, 06:12 PM)

Wow this is sad. RIP to the victims.

phosphor112 · (08-05-2012, 06:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Zzoram:

White? Not terrorist. He might get a fancy nickname from the media though.

Yep, just like whats his face from the movies.

hylje · (08-05-2012, 06:13 PM)

Police just asked media not to show any helicopter feed as theyre in tactical situation.

SquiddyCracker · (08-05-2012, 06:13 PM)

http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

For some fair&balanced news.