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Doffen · (08-06-2012, 07:43 AM)

Originally Posted by Ultima_5:

This.

Heath Ledger's joker is good, but very very overrated. I wonder how it would have been viewed if he didn't die so close to release.

Oh please. You know Ledger did an outstanding performance as the Joker in Nolan’s Batman universe. His Oscar was well deserved and calling it overrated is just BS. Imho.

ResidentDante · (08-06-2012, 07:43 AM)

Originally Posted by mr_nothin:

Well I didnt know anything about it
Thanks OP

I agree, this was new for me too. Awesome find.

StuBurns · (08-06-2012, 07:45 AM)

Originally Posted by Ultima_5:

This.

Heath Ledger's joker is good, but very very overrated. I wonder how it would have been viewed if he didn't die so close to release.

I don't think it would have been as big a hit as it was, but no, the performance was amazing.

Femmeworth · (08-06-2012, 07:46 AM)

Originally Posted by Juancho9:

That interview was better than TDK

Originally Posted by coldvein:

smoking on tv .. good lord.. those were the glory days.

Originally Posted by ATF487:

was thinking the same thing. Been watching a lot of mad men and I wish I could have experienced the 50s/60s

Originally Posted by akachan ningen:

Mark Hamill played a better Joker than Heath.

Jtwo · (08-06-2012, 08:16 AM)

Originally Posted by RBelong2Us:

lol at Mark Hammil being the better Joker, yeah, as if it's the same type of acting....SMH.

Oh so screen acting is a more respectable artform than voice acting?

brianjones · (08-06-2012, 08:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Jtwo:

Oh so screen acting is a more respectable artform than voice acting?

is that a serious question

SkyMasterson · (08-06-2012, 08:21 AM)

Wow, I'm usually in the know on this stuff and I had no idea.

Also, ironic that he was in Heath Ledgers last film.

mantidor · (08-06-2012, 08:35 AM)

Originally Posted by Clevinger:

mark hamill's joker is so overrated

wrong.

Originally Posted by Moaradin:

Mark Hamill is the definite Joker for sure.

right.

Voice acting is way too underrated.

Neki · 08:45 AM

has a voice actor ever got nominated for an oscar before?

Femmeworth · (08-06-2012, 08:43 AM)

Voice acting requires some different skills than film acting.

vagabondarts · (08-06-2012, 08:57 AM)

Originally Posted by Ultima_5:

The greatest awkward interview was between garry shandling and Ricky Gervais

I looked this up. Thank you.

Vice · (08-06-2012, 09:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Jtwo:

Oh so screen acting is a more respectable artform than voice acting?

Well, in the eyes of the general public it is.

Always-honest · 09:27 AM

As good an actor as Heath. Such a silly act that he later started believing himself.
But great to see this. Really an influence for Heath.

Monocle · 09:45 AM

I watched this just the other day. First saw it several years ago, before TDK was out. Tom Waits is one of my favorite artists. Ledger couldn't have chosen a finer influence for his Joker.

Originally Posted by Ultima_5:

This.

Heath Ledger's joker is good, but very very overrated. I wonder how it would have been viewed if he didn't die so close to release.

You're bad at opinions.

universalmind · (08-06-2012, 09:38 AM)

Originally Posted by Ultima_5:

This.

Heath Ledger's joker is good, but very very overrated. I wonder how it would have been viewed if he didn't die so close to release.

Sojgat · (08-06-2012, 10:32 AM)

Heath Ledger's Joker is the best then, so yeah, he's better than Cesar Romero and Jack Nicholson. His take was really cool, but it is overrated in the sense that so many people think it's the definitive take on the character, when there is so much room for interpretation in the future. I guess he might just own it now like Brandon Lee does the Crow.

OrangeGrayBlue · (08-06-2012, 10:38 AM)

Originally Posted by Sojgat:

Heath Ledger's Joker is the best then, so yeah, he's better than Cesar Romero and Jack Nicholson. His take was really cool, but it is overrated in the sense that so many people think it's the definitive take on the character, when there is so much room for interpretation in the future. I guess he might just own it now like Brandon Lee does the Crow.

I would say that Heath Ledger owns the character of The Joker in the same sense that Marlon Brando owns the character of Don Corleone. Someone else could try but... why bother? They set a metric by which all others will be compared to, but can never surpass.

Hyuga · (08-06-2012, 10:42 AM)

Originally Posted by blixa:

inspired? it's a rip-off.
gaming side will know this one.

But.... but... but... use your brain!

;(

jdogmoney · (08-06-2012, 10:46 AM)

Originally Posted by OrangeGrayBlue:

I would say that Heath Ledger owns the character of The Joker in the same sense that Marlon Brando owns the character of Don Corleone. Someone else could try but... why bother? They set a metric by which all others will be compared to, but can never surpass.

I think the character of the Joker is more iconic than any one actor's interpretation.

It's like, David Tennant was an utterly fantastic Hamlet, but that doesn't mean that other people shouldn't play the character.

Heavy · (08-06-2012, 10:52 AM)

The interviewer was a jerk and asked some dumb questions.

Sojgat · (08-06-2012, 10:56 AM)

Originally Posted by OrangeGrayBlue:

I would say that Heath Ledger owns the character of The Joker in the same sense that Marlon Brando owns the character of Don Corleone. Someone else could try but... why bother? They set a metric by which all others will be compared to, but can never surpass.

People said the same thing about Nicholson, then Heath did it better with a very different take on the Joker. There have been so many versions of the character before and there will be more in the future, WB isn't going to stop making Batman movies and they sure won't retire the Joker in film forever.

Snuggler · (08-06-2012, 11:06 AM)

Wow this thread got awful fast. You guys are the fucking worst. Fun interview, though.

gamma · (08-06-2012, 11:10 AM)

Both of them were in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus too.

Plywood · (08-06-2012, 11:17 AM)

Every opinion in this thread is terrible, you should all feel bad.

Skilotonn · (08-06-2012, 11:17 AM)

First I've seen or heard of this, if he had said so himself I'd believe it, but going by this thread he didn't.

Richfield · (08-06-2012, 11:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Heavy:

The interviewer was a jerk and asked some dumb questions.

RIP Don Lane.

Aguirre · (08-06-2012, 11:21 AM)

saw this on reddit, good video.

when i first opened it, i wasn't actually looking at the video, just listening and i thought it was TDK outtakes or something.

Messofanego · (08-06-2012, 11:23 AM)

It's close, but no lip smacking which I argue was the most iconic part of his performance and not just the crooked posture or voice.

We'll never know either way.

LM4sure · (08-06-2012, 11:27 AM)

Mark Hammi definitely best joker. Would love a Batman reboot with him doing the VA for the Joker.

Log4Girlz · (08-06-2012, 11:30 AM)

Tom Hiddleston as the next Joker. Believe.

Deadly Monk · (08-06-2012, 11:37 AM)

This is awesome.

But as other people went off topic, yeah Heath's Joker wasn't really a good Joker. He was an AMAZING psycho but not a very good Joker. Not even close to Joker.

Riposte · (08-06-2012, 11:53 AM)

I have all the respect in the world for voice actors, but good actors transform themselves. As good as Hammil's voice work might be, it can't compare to way Ledger moves in addition to his voice. His body-language, his facial expressions, etc. So yeah, not even a contest. Maybe you just prefer animation over live action.

Quackula · (08-06-2012, 11:55 AM)

Originally Posted by Riposte:

I have all the respect in the world for voice actors, but good actors transform themselves. As good as Hammil's voice work might be, it can't compare to way Ledger moves in addition to his voice. His body-language, his facial expressions, etc. So yeah, not even a contest. Maybe you just prefer animation over live action.

I think it's kinda a case of the fact that for a lot of folks, myself included, Batman TAS was the Batman that they grew up with. Hamill simply IS the Joker.

Guzim · (08-06-2012, 11:58 AM)

I figured it would be appropriate to post a video of the man who inspired Tom Hardy's Bane-voice.

Monocle · (08-06-2012, 11:59 AM)

Originally Posted by Deadly Monk:

This is awesome.

But as other people went off topic, yeah Heath's Joker wasn't really a good Joker. He was an AMAZING psycho but not a very good Joker. Not even close to Joker.

There's no definitive Joker so this is a pretty silly thing to say. The character is a collection of traits that varies according to the interpretations of the artists, writers, and actors who portray him. Ledger's Joker resembles previous incarnations of the character closely enough that nobody would mistake him for someone else. Appearance? Backstory? Behavior? Motivations? Rivalry with Batman? Check, check, check, check, and check.

It makes no sense to say he's not even close to other versions of the Joker.

Jean Valjean · (08-06-2012, 12:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Richfield:

RIP Don Lane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIPqUJiiMwc

Don Lane and James Randi

butter_stick · (08-06-2012, 12:34 PM)

Brb gonna start smoking

Guzim · (08-06-2012, 12:45 PM)

Originally Posted by butter_stick:

Brb gonna start smoking

I assume you already drink whiskey.

butter_stick · (08-06-2012, 12:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Guzim:

I assume you already drink whiskey.

Naturally. Usually when posting on GAF.

Damon Bennet · (08-06-2012, 12:50 PM)

but voice acting is way easier than on screen acting

B_Rik_Schitthaus · (08-06-2012, 01:02 PM)

Originally Posted by Damon Bennet:

but voice acting is way easier than on screen acting

Cipherr · (08-06-2012, 01:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Jtwo:

Oh so screen acting is a more respectable artform than voice acting?

He never said they were, he took issue with comparing the two outright, and he has a valid point. Someone needs to kick the guy who brought that comparison into this thread in the shin bone.

vaelic · (08-06-2012, 01:16 PM)

Originally Posted by Deadly Monk:

This is awesome.

But as other people went off topic, yeah Heath's Joker wasn't really a good Joker. He was an AMAZING psycho but not a very good Joker. Not even close to Joker.

Lol you slay me

EVOL 100% · (08-06-2012, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Deadly Monk:

This is awesome.

But as other people went off topic, yeah Heath's Joker wasn't really a good Joker. He was an AMAZING psycho but not a very good Joker. Not even close to Joker.

Ledger's Joker wasn't very close to the comic book incarnation, but the character itself was supposed to be an alternate interpretation. He's supposed to be a separate character, and he played that character amazingly well.

JB1981 · (08-06-2012, 01:52 PM)

Originally Posted by mr_nothin:

Well I didnt know anything about it
Thanks OP

Same here ... Thanks for sharing.

Dead Man · (08-06-2012, 01:55 PM)

I miss good interviews like that. RIP Don Lane

Torquill · (08-06-2012, 02:13 PM)

The voice is the same, but what beyond that? Ledger's portrayal was way more than just the voice.

Randdalf · (08-06-2012, 02:15 PM)

The worst interview ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25SdQEnhHI

Generated a lot of controversy in the UK.

Deadly Monk · (08-06-2012, 02:16 PM)

Originally Posted by Torquill:

The voice is the same, but what beyond that? Ledger's portrayal was way more than just the voice.

He licks his lips like Heath did a little after the 4 minute mark. Very cool haha.

bjork · (08-06-2012, 02:19 PM)

I didn't watch TDK, but Tom Waits being Tom Waits is a good reason to look into any thread. I hope his news tomorrow is something regarding a tour.