[Melchiah]

That's not why I go to movies. If I want bleak and depressing, I'll open a browser to Fox News or GAF OT, or take a walk around real life for a while. The marketing for this movie was blatantly mis-leading and I would not have went to see it had I known that it was going to be an emotional movie about loneliness, emptiness, sorrow, and hopelessness.

That's exactly why I usually go to movies, to see something that's thought-provoking, not easily digestible mass market pulp, that offers something more profound than the usual action and comedy flicks.

If I want to see something lighthearted, I rent an action/comedy flick during a hangover day.

I do agree, that the trailer did give a wrong impression, but in this rare occasion I was pleasantly surprised by what I actually got.

[TrAcEr_x90]

I hate that shit. Not every movie has to be realistic. You want realism in film? I don't think we'd like to watch some shlub sit in a cubicle for 8 hours a day....

exactly.....do wolves travel in packs and are as vicious as these wolves in the movie? I have never heard of such a thing, but how boring would it be if they did act like realistic wolves?

[Lion Heart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWSvf25oEA

Nuff said.

[HiResDes]

It's not about the wolves. It's not about surviving. It's about [spoiler]_____dying_____[/bYspoiler]. The movie is called "The Grey". Were you expecting Jonah Hill abs Seth Rogen to make HEycameos or something? Ah yes, the classic strawman of knowing what the movie is about. What assumptions have I made? Please continue to presume my username has any bearing on my intelligence or the worth of my opinion on this movie.

I don't disagree with your assessment of the films theme. However, your replies to my criticism of its pacing don't make any sense, so much that I have to question whether you understand what the term means. You also made the assumption that I'd have to be some sort of wildlife expert to understand the basic instincts of wolves. The point about them being supernatural is a good one, but it still doesn't excuse how horrendous they look aesthetically. Maybe they should have avoided showing them in plain sight at all. Also my point about dialogue still stands, was quite juvenile and cheesy.

[mu cephei]

It's not about the wolves. It's not about surviving. It's about _____dying_____.

There's no pathos in dying if you're not trying to survive. And if the mechanism for that dying is done badly, then why should I be moved?

It was a decent idea done very poorly. The intended meaning I'm not disagreeing with.

[Pachterballs]

surprised by all the love this is getting ITT. I didn't enjoy it much and the characters were all just fodder. Wasn't much of any thing really. Not exciting, not tense. just kind of average all the way to the end.

[zethren]

It was a very somber and sad movie, and I think the average movie goer doesn't connect well with that when going to the theater, as evidenced by some posters in this thread.

I really enjoyed it, I even moreso enjoyed the ambiguous ending. It seems as though with this movie you either hate it or you love it.

The criticisms on the aesthetics of the wolves, however, are missing the point I think. They looked like large, feral wild wolves with some expected Hollywood flair.

[strafer]

Would that jump from the mountain to the tree be possible?

[commish]

surprised by all the love this is getting ITT. I didn't enjoy it much and the characters were all just fodder. Wasn't much of any thing really. Not exciting, not tense. just kind of average all the way to the end.

I agree, actually, and I worship Liam.

[HiResDes]

Most of the criticisms, including my own, make no mention of the movies bleak tone. The tone is not the problem here, stop making it seem like that's the scapegoat. It is not. I absolutely love Stalker and am a fan of many Von Trier films.

[Mudkips]

I don't disagree with your assessment of the films theme. However, your replies to my criticism of its pacing don't make any sense, so much that I have to question whether you understand what the term means. You also made the assumption that I'd have to be some sort of wildlife expert to understand the basic instincts of wolves. The point about them being supernatural is a good one, but it still doesn't excuse how horrendous they look aesthetically. Maybe they should have avoided showing them in plain sight at all. Also my point about dialogue still stands, was quite juvenile and cheesy.

In what way don't they make sense? The pacing is done the way it is intentionally to mimic the disorienting, sporadic flow of time when dealing with death. A few minutes in a waiting room or on the phone can feel like an eternity, or a month long struggle against disease can rush by. You have not articulated any argument against the pacing, you just said you don't like it.

I didn't assume you have to be a wildlife expert to understand the basic instincts of wolves. Not only is attacking humans against the basic instincts of wolves (rates of wolf attacks on humans are among the lowest of all large predators), the behavior of the wolves in generally is completely irrelevant to the film. The wolves aren't the point at all. And for the record they looked and sounded amazing. They were not meant to look like a regular ol' wolf Sarah Palin shoots from a helicopter.

Your "point" about the dialog was that you think it was corny. I think it was fine. Provide an example and state reasons why you think this or your point is just an unsupported opinion.

I really don't know why you take such offense to people liking this movie, and I don't understand why you would pull a dick move and intentionally remove the spoiler tags from my post when you quoted it.

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

I liked this movie when it was called predator. Its basically the same thing except it was way worse. The ending was pure shit for the sake of being psudo artistic. The plane scene was really good though.

[Scullibundo]

I just don't get the ending complaints. Actually seeing Liam punching a bunch of wolves wouldn't fit at all with the tone of the rest of the movie.

Excuse me, but I believe the rest of the movie just failed to fit in with Liam punching wolves. You don't put out trailers that advertise the amazing premise of Schindler boxing wolves to death and try to shoe-horn some semi-poignant man of lost faith story on top of it.

All the film had to do was show Schindler punching the fuck out of some wolves and perhaps howling after a victory or three and it would have delivered on its promise.

Movie was a total cop out, whether it was better for it or not.

[BotoxAgent]

Loved the movie. I always find survival movies very interesting.

[MrToughPants]

Would that jump from the mountain to the tree be possible?

Only by an omega.

[Red Sutter]

I thought this movie was fucking awful, honestly. Two hours of people moping and dying for no real reason.

But True Art Is Angsty, so I guess it'll get an Oscar or two for it's bleakness

[PinkCrayon]

Excuse me, but I believe the rest of the movie just failed to fit in with Liam punching wolves. You don't put out trailers that advertise the amazing premise of Schindler boxing wolves to death and try to shoe-horn some semi-poignant man of lost faith story on top of it. All the film had to do was show Schindler punching the fuck out of some wolves and perhaps howling after a victory or three and it would have delivered on its promise. Movie was a total cop out, whether it was better for it or not.

Lookout for the crossover sequel "Schindler's Fist".

[HiResDes]

I didn't do that intentionally, you're a habitual assumption maker.

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I liked it. Kinda surprised by all the hate.

[Freezie KO]

I thought this movie was fucking awful, honestly. Two hours of people moping and dying for no real reason.

As opposed to in real life, where people in plane crashes cooperate to survive, learn the meaning of friendship, find true love, and defeat supervillains.

Yeah, people mope about ____dying____. It's only been the most prominent question in the entirety of our existence. And it happens for no real reason.

But True Art Is Angsty

How anti-intellectual. Don't engage with the work. Accuse it of being True Art (as if that's a bad thing), and then claim "angst" as some sort of catch-all for any subject beyond rom com cheese.

There are plenty of movies for pro-"entertainment" anti-intellectuals already. Most of them get 100 page threads on this forum.

so I guess it'll get an Oscar or two for it's bleakness

Actually, Oscars usually reward feel-good happy bullshit like The King's Speech or pat-yourself-on-the-back message movies like Crash.

When was the last time a movie that genuinely tried to address _______death_____ won an Oscar? Amour will be lucky to even get a nod for the Foreign Nomination.

[BuddyJoeHooker]

Excuse me, but I believe the rest of the movie just failed to fit in with Liam punching wolves. You don't put out trailers that advertise the amazing premise of Schindler boxing wolves to death and try to shoe-horn some semi-poignant man of lost faith story on top of it. All the film had to do was show Schindler punching the fuck out of some wolves and perhaps howling after a victory or three and it would have delivered on its promise. Movie was a total cop out, whether it was better for it or not.

From someone who was able to see this without watching trailers, I agree with Solo.

[lastplayed]

Everything Liam touches turns to gold.

For example...

[mac]

I enjoyed it quite a bit, it was like pulpy Jack London on film. But if MLP is more your thing . . .



I did laugh aloud when Liam says, "Don't loot the bodies for swag!" Who above the age of 30 would say that?

[waypoetic]

Good? I thought it was pretty bad. I loudly sighed at that last scene.

[Sulla1980]

Excuse me, but I believe the rest of the movie just failed to fit in with Liam punching wolves. You don't put out trailers that advertise the amazing premise of Schindler boxing wolves to death and try to shoe-horn some semi-poignant man of lost faith story on top of it. All the film had to do was show Schindler punching the fuck out of some wolves and perhaps howling after a victory or three and it would have delivered on its promise. Movie was a total cop out, whether it was better for it or not.

Yup; I promised my wife that it was gonna be like Taken, but instead of punching criminals Liam would be punching wolves. Wolves!

Made me look quite the liar.

[Truant]

It was average. I found the part where the guy was dying inside the plane really uncomfortable to watch. Neeson's character basically told him "Relax, you're going to die. Deal with it right now."

[Zeliard]

It was average. I found the part where the guy was dying inside the plane really uncomfortable to watch. Neeson's character basically told him "Relax, you're going to die. Deal with it right now."

That's exactly the effect and general theme the filmmakers were going for throughout the movie.

[SilentProtagonist]

This movie had the most misleading trailer I've ever seen in my life. I was expecting a bad ass romp with Liam Neeson kicking wolf ass, and I got this shit instead. Normally you could blame this on my lack of intelligence. But the trailer was literally the most misleading fucking thing ever. #STILLMAD

Couldn't be more misleading than Monsters..

[1138]

Left the theater feeling empty and decieved, which was partly the fault of the final shot being shown in the trailer. I eventually found the post-credits sequence on youtube a couple of days later, which brought enough closure for me to end appreciate the movie. Overall it was quite enjoyable, I just went into the theater with the wrong expectations. My favorite movie of 2012 after Prometheus!

[AngmarsKing701]

It was a meh-vie

[SilentProtagonist]

It was a meh-vie

Better than The Amehzing Spider-Meh?

[SnakeswithLasers]

Said it in the original thread:

A differing opinion here I guess. I saw this last weekend and was unimpressed. Spoilers: I can’t get over the simple question of why didn’t they stay with the plane? You have shelter, clothes, peanuts, sodas, and a scarred hunk of black, smoldering wreckage contrasted by brilliant white snow to tip off rescuers. You also have wolves attacking every two minutes, giving you an infinite supply of wolf meat and pelts—I’ve played enough Skyrim to know that this is enough to live off of unless you’re fighting Elder Dragons, which I saw nary a whisper of during this film. I don’t understand how the fuselage of a plane is not more protected than walking through barren snow and then into the forest. Because the forest is safer and more defensible? We’re talking about timber wolves. TIMBER wolves. Contrary to popular belief, they are called timber wolves because they live in the forest, not because they own red flannel shirts and cut down trees. I’m not certain how a pack of MacGyver wolves is going to break into an airplane fuselage, but I’m pretty sure I know how they are going to get you while you wander through the tundra and forest: by wrecking your shit and using their +1 to “murdering you because you were stupid enough to wander into the forest” skill. Check this: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Wolf. Nowhere does it say that wolves can break into a fuselage. But it does say they’re pretty damn good at finding you and not letting you find them. I understand that Liam needed to resolve his daddy issues by fighting a dog, but killing off a bunch of characters so that he could play Legos with a stack of wallets seems to be a waste of human life. Also, this movie has never heard of frostbite.

And I stand by it.
Edit: Also, to curtail the discussion now, because it came last time: Bullshit. Liam Neeson doesn't know SHIT about whether they are going to send a rescue plane.

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Surprised by this movie honesty. Didn't think the director had it in him. That plane crash scene was crazy, I wouldn't want to watch this movie on one lol.

I flew three different times this last month, funny enough they had all the new release movies in Air Canada, Hunger Games, even The Avengers, but no The Grey.

Chloe is the best Liam Neeson movie as of late.

[DrForester]

Here's a movie about Liam just killing shit in the wild,

Now that you've seen the trailer, you should check out the movie at some point.

[Izick]

Oh god, so boring.

[Riggs]

Wow. This post has convinced me that The Grey is worth seeing. The trailer made it look like braindead schlock.

It's a really good movie man, I am just pissed! I took my dad to see it thinking it was some bad ass action movie. Just the total opposite. The acting was really well done etc, that fucking trailer though lol ....

[Kaako]

Really liked this movie.

http://i.imgur.com/KVS5F.jpg Still makes me laugh/cringe. What a waste of an arm.

Ahahah what a freaking moron.

[Rezbit]

Apart from the amazing plane crash I thought the movie was dumb as hell with some cool bits.

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Still makes me laugh/cringe. What a waste of an arm.

Well at least it's a little better than this.

[Alebrije]

Its a great movie , so much better than some AAA movies this season. Loved the wild/snow setup and the religious theme.

[ThanksVision]

The Grey. Okay.

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

If you guys want to see a better movie about life/death and survival, that also takes place in snowy mountains after a plane crash, you should watch this if you haven't so yet.



No cheesy CGI wolves involved, metaphorical or otherwise. No one dies a predictable death every ten minutes like a movie checklist, no cheesy "war time" talk about life back at home with the family.. well there's some talk about family back home...Way better character development. (You actually start to care about these people) Unlike the dude with thick frames that thinks he can traverse an entire valley a'la batman.

and best of all... get this... It's Based on a true story.

Having said all that, nothing beats the plane crash sequence in The Grey.

[MasterOfPastures]

I like it. But I was expecting something completely different, too. I was thinking it was going to be Neeson's Wolf Punching Turbo. Instead, it turned into Hopeless, Shit Ways To Die.
Would watch again.

[HeySeuss]

Terrible disappointment. This movie had so much potential too.

[M_A_C]

Completely unrealistic, way to much whiny talking and lamenting, CG wolves looked like CG wolves.

[EliteArtist]

I thought it was an enjoyable film. I really like it just for it's emphasis on a theme it established shortly after the plane crash. Pretty much every death in the film was an example of this theme and I found that too be the most interesting part of the film. I walked out of the theater content.

[Kud Dukan]

I thought it was an enjoyable film. I really like it just for it's emphasis on a theme it established shortly after the plane crash. Pretty much every death in the film was an example of this theme and I found that too be the most interesting part of the film. I walked out of the theater content.

That's pretty much how I feel. What really surprised me most coming out of the theatre though was Liam Neeson. He's great in everything he is in, but I wasn't expecting such a powerful performance from a film like this.

[TheChewyWaffles]

Well at least it's a little better than this.

What's even worse is that the quote is wrong.

[HiResDes]

I will begin to go into detail about specific things I didn't like about the film. For one, Liam's character assumes such a pedantic and authoritative position from the very beginning. At points during the film it's as if he's omniscient, to the point where it makes his interactions with the others quite unnatural and stale. There's one character in the movie, the tough asshole, who abruptly goes from being entirely static to a seeming enlightenment. The change occurs in such a short amount of time that it really feels forced. The crazy black guy serves as an out-of-place and offensive comic relief. Many of the side characters seem to merely serve as fodder to feed the mythos of Liam's god character.

[Mister Wilhelm]

Pretentious and boring, lots of muddled spiritual stuff thrown in.

That said, the film did nail the atmosphere and had some really good sequences early on. I don't agree with how the plot unfolded in the second half. The ending was alright but considering how much it fizzles at that point, I'm not sure it was the right choice.