[Skilletor]

Ha yea, SF4 on the pc is boss! and with the ink filter it just looks soo good to me. Having played the console version way too much ha it was a huge shock to see the game look the way it does on the pc. Same goes for DMC4, Resident Evil5 etc... just loving this so far!

Yeah, I picked up DMC4 on a steam sale. Jesus christ that game. I can't believe it's like 5 years old at this point.

I play with the water color filter in SF4. :D

[Eschaton]

Can you emulate the PS2 BIOS?

i thought this was the case (have no interest in emulating anything right now)

[effingvic]

because i spend enough time in front of my desk

[gundamkyoukai]

We should thank publishers for their multiplatform policy, the console gamers have nothing to do with this.

Console gamers have every thing to do with it because without them half of the stuff would never get made in the first place.
Even series that started out on PC now sell more on consoles .

[Damian.]

because i spend enough time in front of my desk

The majority of my PC gaming is done on the couch with a 360 controller on a big screen TV, just like my PS3 and Wii.

[mkenyon]

because i spend enough time in front of my desk

HTPC. Its a PC, on your television.

Since its an open platform, you can make it to be whatever you want. Though, I think you know your statement was bullshit, in the Frankfurt sense.

[stuart]

something something EMULATION something something

This perhaps illustrates the difference between the console and PC mindset.

Consoles

• Put in game, it always works.
• If your console ever breaks, you can get identical hardware and be assured all your games work.

PC

• Steam is down, can't play games.
• You're banned from Steam, lose access to every game you own.
• DRM doesn't work, can't play your game.
• Install game, spend ages adjusting settings to try and get the best graphical/framerate compromise.
• Want to play console games on PC, download emulator, fiddle with settings for ages to try and get it to work correctly.
• Want to sell a downloaded game? Wait, you can't.
• A game downloaded from Steam doesn't work? No refund.

[Eideka]

Console gamers have every thing to do with it because without them half of the stuff would never get made in the first place.

It does not mean that the public on PC is not there and that those game don't sell on PC.

Even series that started out on PC now sell more on consoles .

That's no wonder since the market is larger and the PC has always been massively less popular than consoles. I doubt there are as many gaming PCs as there are consoles.
So of course it's going to sell better on consoles.

[Skilletor]

Console gamers have every thing to do with it because without them half of the stuff would never get made in the first place.

Pretty sure it has to do with making money. "console gamers," whatever that means, don't have any say in what gets ported to another audience. The potential audience and prospective money to be made is the deciding factor.

[Derrick01]

This perhaps illustrates the difference between the console and PC mindset. Consoles Put in game, it always works. If your console ever breaks, you can get identical hardware and be assured all your games work. PC Steam is down, can't play games. You're banned from Steam, lose access to every game you own. DRM doesn't work, can't play your game. Install game, spend ages adjusting settings to try and get the best graphical/framerate compromise. Want to play console games on PC, download emulator, fiddle with settings for ages to try and get it to work correctly. Want to sell a downloaded game? Wait, you can't. A game downloaded from Steam doesn't work? No refund.

The ignorance.....it hurts the eyes.

[Ravensmash]

The majority of my PC gaming is done on the couch with a 360 controller on a big screen TV, just like my PS3 and Wii.

But then what happens when a game doesn't support controls well?

I dunno, I was considering a PC but I just don't have the justification for it. I'm perfectly happy with playing all the latest games on a console bought years ago, and as long as titles keep being released then I don't see a reason (personally) to buy another system for the primary use of gaming - I have enough to get through with my PS3 and 360.

I need a laptop for university and couldn't afford to add another computer on top of that. My laptop runs a few games, but it's not used as a gaming device - simply don't have the need at the moment. I like the relative simplicity afforded by consoles, and the ease of transportation between home/uni weekly, I cannot imagine thrusting a PC case into a small backpack like I do with my consoles currently.

My next big gaming purchase will likely be next-gen consoles (funds allowing), and I'll probably stick with that until the gen after rolls round again.

[ShabbadooJr]

I don't understand how people game on PC. The controls are terrible I just can't get used to using a keyboard and mouse for gaming. Games like Grand Theft Auto seem like games that need a controller. And you can get one but then you have to setup the controller for each game, it's such a hassle. I've tried multiple times to get into PC gaming but the controls always frustrate me to going back to consoles.

[Reclaimer]

People waiting for next gen consoles, are waiting for NEXT GEN CONSOLES. Current PC gaming, while perhaps offering some similar benefits to next gen consoles, is still not a next gen console. Simple as that.

oh wait, this is just a not-so-stealth PC vs Console slap fight thread, please continue...

[Derrick01]

I don't understand how people game on PC. The controls are terrible I just can't get used to using a keyboard and mouse for gaming. Games like Grand Theft Auto seem like games that need a controller. And you can get one but then you have to setup the controller for each game, it's such a hassle. I've tried multiple times to get into PC gaming but the controls always frustrate me to going back to consoles.

You don't have to set up the controller most of the time. They tend to use the standard controls the console versions use.

Keep trying people.

[Eideka]

I don't understand how people game on PC. The controls are terrible I just can't get used to using a keyboard and mouse for gaming. Games like Grand Theft Auto seem like games that need a controller. And you can get one but then you have to setup the controller for each game, it's such a hassle. I've tried multiple times to get into PC gaming but the controls always frustrate me to going back to consoles.

Are you serious by any chance ? You don't have to configure ANYTHING when it comes to the controls.

I just plug my 360 pad and....That's it. And guess what ? The huge majority of PC games nowadays natively support the 360 pad.

[Eschaton]

This perhaps illustrates the difference between the console and PC mindset. Consoles Put in game, it always works. If your console ever breaks, you can get identical hardware and be assured all your games work. PC Steam is down, can't play games. You're banned from Steam, lose access to every game you own. DRM doesn't work, can't play your game. Install game, spend ages adjusting settings to try and get the best graphical/framerate compromise. Want to play console games on PC, download emulator, fiddle with settings for ages to try and get it to work correctly. Want to sell a downloaded game? Wait, you can't. A game downloaded from Steam doesn't work? No refund.

and with that one, i think im out gentlemen

[Houston3000]

Haha, this thread.

I can't even tell if people are serious anymore with the comfy couch argument or if they're just trolling - isn't that a fucking meme at this point? Then someone says "poor range of games"... I... I... oh boy. I just feel embarrassed for those of you airing your ignorance and naivety on a public forum like this.

I'm not even going to participate in this debate, thought we were past that at this point, but I suppose that shows my ignorance on the kind of kids we have posting on GAF.

[Skilletor]

I don't understand how people game on PC. The controls are terrible I just can't get used to using a keyboard and mouse for gaming. Games like Grand Theft Auto seem like games that need a controller. And you can get one but then you have to setup the controller for each game, it's such a hassle. I've tried multiple times to get into PC gaming but the controls always frustrate me to going back to consoles.

I haven't had to configure my 360 gamepad in any game I've played.

I did have to config my stick in SF4, but I have do that on consoles as well.

Troll post?

[rjc571]

PC games are good.

Console games are good.

Handheld games are good.

I like vidya games.

[BossRoss]

So I finally got my gaming PC up and running and seeing games I played on the PS3 and Xbox 360 now in 1080p with solid 60fps and AA and AF has been a real eye opener. I just sat there and kept saying to myself... I can't go back to my PS3 and Xbox 360. I know people will say well the consoles have exclusive games and your right.... but I guess I am a major graphics whore now. I just cant get over how much better gaming on pc is, its an insane difference! So why are we holding our breathes for next gen? From what I can see, next gen system wont be near as powerful as high end pc's are now, there is just no way they can be. This is different then when the 360 and ps3 came out. I know the consoles will be coded to the metal, which does help but I personally dont see next gen running native 1080p, 60 fps, gobs of AA and AF and looking like say crysis 3 or battlefield 3. Next gen will probably be sub full hd and 30fps. So if those are things I need or want then what is the point to get a next gen system? The pc will get some of those next gen games and I would imagine would still look better on the pc vs the console.

Although the next gen systems may not be the tip top hardware wise, there is a benefit to having unified architecture. PC games need to support a wide array of hardware setups and configurations, while consoles have the same thing in the box every time.

For that reason, consoles will always have the edge from a development standpoint because there are no secrets, the system will perform exactly as it's intended. Not to mention the fact that PC games have to compete with a full fledged OS at the application layer. Most console GUIs are thin and streamlined for a specific purpose, leaving more resources for the hardware itself.

I think Microsoft and Sony are trying to squeeze too much out of this console generation and the gap is widening between what consoles can do and what high end PCs are pumping out. With the next console refresh, it should allow consoles to stay "current" for at least the next 3-4 years.

[Ravensmash]

PC games are good. Console games are good. Handheld games are good. I like vidya games.

This attitude is good.

Not sure why people have to descend into silly wars when we supposedly like games for being fun, not because of their brand or input method.

[flyinpiranha]

This attitude is good. Not sure why people have to descend into silly wars when we supposedly like games for being fun, not because of their brand or input method.

Nobody likes games for fun. It's ALWAYS because of brand or input method.

[Celegus]

Yeah, it's really hard to plug in HDMI to my PC and then in to my TV.

It is when your PC and TV are in opposite ends of the house and you'd need a 50ft HDMI cable snaking through every room.

[SapientWolf]

I don't understand how people game on PC. The controls are terrible I just can't get used to using a keyboard and mouse for gaming. Games like Grand Theft Auto seem like games that need a controller. And you can get one but then you have to setup the controller for each game, it's such a hassle. I've tried multiple times to get into PC gaming but the controls always frustrate me to going back to consoles.

Buy a 360 controller.

[danmaku]

Nobody likes games for fun. It's ALWAYS because of brand or input method.

And AA. Fuck good games, all I need is good AA!

[Riggs]

This perhaps illustrates the difference between the console and PC mindset. Consoles Put in game, it always works. If your console ever breaks, you can get identical hardware and be assured all your games work. PC Steam is down, can't play games. You're banned from Steam, lose access to every game you own. DRM doesn't work, can't play your game. Install game, spend ages adjusting settings to try and get the best graphical/framerate compromise. Want to play console games on PC, download emulator, fiddle with settings for ages to try and get it to work correctly. Want to sell a downloaded game? Wait, you can't. A game downloaded from Steam doesn't work? No refund.

Wow you are wrong on almost every part, good post though haha.

So much unawareness out there, we must let the mass's know the truth.

[Just Lazy]

A next-Gen console bought day one will cost about a 3rd? the price of a top-end gaming rig bought now. Cost has to be the main reason.

[Ravensmash]

Nobody likes games for fun. It's ALWAYS because of brand or input method.

Don't forget the best marketing either!

Or rock textures, they can make or break a purchase for me.

[Haunted]

This perhaps illustrates the difference between the console and PC mindset. Consoles Put in game, it always works. If your console ever breaks, you can get identical hardware and be assured all your games work. PC Steam is down, can't play games. You're banned from Steam, lose access to every game you own. DRM doesn't work, can't play your game. Install game, spend ages adjusting settings to try and get the best graphical/framerate compromise. Want to play console games on PC, download emulator, fiddle with settings for ages to try and get it to work correctly. Want to sell a downloaded game? Wait, you can't. A game downloaded from Steam doesn't work? No refund.

This post certainly illustrates something.

[Chacranajxy]

People are excited for the next gen because it might mean we get something other than shooters. Even though that's still most of what we'll probably get anyway. I dunno... I just don't really give a fuck about graphics anymore.

[Dogfacedgod]

For me it's simple math.

I got the 360 right after launch with money I had set aside to build a kick ass gaming rig.

But, at the time we had just had our first kid and I couldn't justify $3k on a gaming PC. So I spent half that on the 360 and a 42" HD tv for the mancave.

I would love to have a pc that could play modern games at high resolutions and I know that prices have come way down.

But for the amount of time I have to game it's just easier and more cost effective to stick with consoles.

But that's just me.

[Skilletor]

It is when your PC and TV are in opposite ends of the house and you'd need a 50ft HDMI cable snaking through every room.

Does your PC weigh 450lbs or something? Mine is pretty light. I can move it whenever I want.

[CecilRousso]

This perhaps illustrates the difference between the console and PC mindset. Consoles Put in game, it always works. If your console ever breaks, you can get identical hardware and be assured all your games work. PC Steam is down, can't play games. You're banned from Steam, lose access to every game you own. DRM doesn't work, can't play your game. Install game, spend ages adjusting settings to try and get the best graphical/framerate compromise. Want to play console games on PC, download emulator, fiddle with settings for ages to try and get it to work correctly. Want to sell a downloaded game? Wait, you can't. A game downloaded from Steam doesn't work? No refund.

Nothing there helps me if I want to play typical PC games experiences that are unavailable on PC. And what type of games you want should always be the deciding factor, right?

But if people don´t care what they actually play, then I guess you could just go for the easier alternative. Less rewarding, but people are free to do whatever they want.

[Htown]

The PC has a lot of good games, but only in certain genres. The Wii is not a joke - I have twice as many games for the Wii as the Xbox 360, there's simply no equivalent of games like Kirby or Skyward Sword on other systems.

Look.

I have over 60 Wii games, and I own hundreds of games on Steam, so I'm pretty sure I know what the systems are capable of.

Saying the PC is only good at one genre is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

[eso76]

PC games of today look incredible, but they are not "next-gen" in my opinion because the vast majority of them is still made with consoles in mind.

not just consoles, but lower spec PC's too.
So no, as i always say, you don't get next gen on PC, it's just prettier current gen.

Better IQ, higher res, better textures and shaders applied to the same game, with the same graphical 'structure', often same models is not what i expect from next gen.

[Raven77]

You can't have "next-gen" right now...

The reason being is that you will not get true "next-gen" games until the lowest common denominator (xbox 360, PS3) are out of the picture.

Now, there are a few next gen experiences to be had - Witcher 2 for example was primarily made soley for PC (yes I know it was ported later to 360).

[CecilRousso]

Look. Saying the PC is only good at one genre is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

Some people just have the silly PC = FPS, RTS and MMO mindset stuck in their head. But it´s their loss if they can´t be bothered to actually look things up.

[Dragonzord]

Maybe I'm just crazy, but any topic about pc gaming being better than any other gaming seems to go unlocked for a lot longer than if it were a console.

[Vossler]

It's really tough for me to go back to playing console games like Halo Reach after seeing all that my gaming pc can produce on the same 55 in led. Framerates are one of my biggest peeves in gaming, and going back to that low res, sub 30ish framerate that reach has is very, very distracting.

[ledman]

Because some people are really looking forward for next games of series that are gonna be probably console exclusives next-gen like Uncharted, God of War, Halo, etc.
Some genres have better represetation on consoles like fighting games or JRPGs.
PC game is not big in Japan and a lot of consoles players don't have sufficient knowledge of PC game and don't want to get into it.

[StuBurns]

Stuart's posts are kind of extreme, but I'm personally very pleased to have the 'worse' experience on a console for the simplicity. I only use my PC for PC exclusives and most shooters just because I prefer the mouse.

[EatinOlives]

This perhaps illustrates the difference between the console and PC mindset. Consoles Put in game, it always works. If your console ever breaks, you can get identical hardware and be assured all your games work. PC Steam is down, can't play games. You're banned from Steam, lose access to every game you own. DRM doesn't work, can't play your game. Install game, spend ages adjusting settings to try and get the best graphical/framerate compromise. Want to play console games on PC, download emulator, fiddle with settings for ages to try and get it to work correctly. Want to sell a downloaded game? Wait, you can't. A game downloaded from Steam doesn't work? No refund.

LOL. It's clear you don't know the first thing about PC gaming. I'd hold off on talking about it, much less judging its variety of games.

[Eideka]

Maybe I'm just crazy, but any topic about pc gaming being better than any other gaming seems to go unlocked for a lot longer than if it were a console.

You are paranoid. :)

Why would such a topic be locked ? Everyone is free to praise console gaming just as well.

[ShinUltramanJ]

Why am I bothering with console exclusives when I can spend more money to play multiplatform games at a higher resolution and better framerate? I must be nuts.

[enzo_gt]

Because some people care more than just about graphics, and believe that historically, having a consoles gives you access to better games. I'm inclined to agree.

Not many PC exclusives make me want to upgrade my video card. The last one? Magicka. Not really something I'd go to for the graphics either.

[CitizenCope]

So catch me up. Who's winning?
Seperate Console and PC gaming sections on GAF please!!!!!

[Muramasa]

pc-only and console-only are both a dumb decision. If you want a good game library you certainly need a broad range of plattforms.

[shintoki]

I've never understood the cheaper argument.

Let's talk about cheaper first. Most people here probably spent 300 or 400$ on their system. Some of the people responding probably spent 600$. I recently purchase a new PC for about 750$. 2500i, GT560ti, and 8Gig Ram. With the rest of the jazz including casing, cooler, motherboard, etc. So it has a higher upfront cost, but their prices have gone down while console prices have gone up. Its no longer 1000+ dollar PC, but rather high hundreds vs middle hundreds.

We can also discuss all the other benefits of using a PC too. Its a multi-tool unit. Compared to consoles which are still largely an entertainment device. I use it for School, Entertainment, Contacts, and creation. You don't get anywhere near the usefulness out of a console as a PC.

And outside that very first purchase, I don't think how anyone could say its cheaper overall anymore.
Just for a quick comparison. Thanks to GMG such titles like Borderlands 2, Sleeping Dogs, Hitman Absolution, Darksiders 2, and a few others. Most Gaffers have been getting all of them for low thirties. Sleeping Dogs was 32$, compared to the 60$ its on Amazon right now. Or even just using Steam/Amazon DD. Its 45$ compared to the retail 60$. Longer you wait, most Console games are going to stop dropping around 10-20$ due to retail margins and console manufactures. While they'll keep dropping to that 5$ or less mark on PC, due to no overhead required. Deus Ex Human Revolution isn't even a year old, but people have already picked it up for 6$.

We can also discuss how big of a joke XBLG and PSN+ are too. Where such wonderful arguments like, "It pays for itself" comes into play. You are paying them 50$ a year to spend money, or on the one service, get a 3 year old game to play with some 10 year old games.
Know what I'm going to be playing for free? Planetside 2
With some Hawken
I also don't have to spent money to get discounts too!

Outside of that very first initial cost, everything on PC turns out to be cheaper. You get more games for free, larger discounts, cheaper prices, mods, and other stuff.

[stuart]

LOL. It's clear you don't know the first thing about PC gaming. I'd hold off on talking about it, much less judging its variety of games.

I've used Steam/PC games/emulators in the past, most of the problems I mention I've experienced directly.

[Derrick01]

So catch me up. Who's winning?

I can tell you what's not winning. Intelligence.