[Zia]

It comes with a mid range mobile GPU so it can run that overblown screen that will only kill your fps with no gain. You could get dual top of the line mobile GPU laptop for the same price. Yes you can not upgrade RAM in the mac they now melt it to the board. Apples business is selling you something that they fully control its their business strategy. Its a good strategy for a business. Its a great machine for developing apps to sell to those lemmings though. I do love it for that.

LOL. Jesus.

[Dennis]

It comes with a mid range mobile GPU so it can run that overblown screen that will only kill your fps with no gain. You could get dual top of the line mobile GPU laptop for the same price. Yes you can not upgrade RAM in the mac they now melt it to the board. Apples business is selling you something that they fully control its their business strategy. Its a good strategy for a business. Its a great machine for developing apps to sell to those lemmings though. I do love it for that.

Do you need a hug?

[kruskev]

not too impressed personally. Running diablo 3 it stutters a lot but that could be the shit mac osx version of the game. I wasn't even running at native but temp got unto 60 degrees celcius for cpu and over 70 for gpu diode with fans running at around 4000 rpm.

[Akey]

Salty much?

No. I'm just saying paying 2.2k for a 650M chip that will perform worse then other laptops with a 650M is silly if the main thing you want to do is game on it. The mac is great in other areas like light weight, batter life, and can run all 3 major OS. You will not be playing battlefield 3 on high settings and stay constantly above 30fps as one example.

If there is anything I'm salty with is that there is no legal way to run mac OS (random animal name) without a mac. If every OS did this there would be a monopoly on computers and all software ran on one system. That is not good for the consumer...sorry for OT.

[Theonik]

THAT RESOLUTION IS BETTER THAN MY 2560 x1600 THIS IS NOT GOOD

But what you have under the hood can actually drive modestly demanding games at that resolution.
Now what needs to happen in Apple releasing a Retina Cinama IPS display to replace their current 27"/30" model.

[Iacobellis]

But what you have under the hood can actually drive modestly demanding games. Now what needs to happen in Apple releasing a Retina Cinama IPS display to replace their current 27"/30" model.

It better be 120Hz.

[ghibli99]

THAT RESOLUTION IS BETTER THAN MY 2560 x1600 THIS IS NOT GOOD

...but at only 15". 2560x1600 @ 27" is still too small, IMO.

[Deadly Cyclone]

Heck, I just got my first Mac, a 2012 Air (dual i7 version) and it does well on current games. Ran Starcraft 2 on high and Diablo 3 on high/medium.

Just wish Steam had more Mac games. :P

[Neiteio]

I got a shitload of games in the last Steam sale to gift to my brother who just ordered one of these. If he partitions enough space for Bootcamp/Windows, he should be able to play all of them, right? (Saints Row 3 + all DLC, Just Cause 2 + all DLC, GTAIV Complete, etc)

[diamount]

Run BF3 on there and then we'll talk.

[rollingstart]

Considering how few people bought the macbook for gaming, it's a pretty decent setup. Yeah. Playing modern games at native resolution probably isn't wise but if you drop it down or output the video to a TV, it should easily outperform the current console standard (PS3, 360, Wii U). Again, it's not bad for what it is. Buying the Macbook Pro Retina for gaming makes it inadequate. It's a nice extra, for sure.

[Ken Masters]

Heck, I just got my first Mac, a 2012 Air (dual i7 version) and it does well on current games. Ran Starcraft 2 on high and Diablo 3 on high/medium. Just wish Steam had more Mac games. :P

Mac steam is a depressing place to visit, especially during sales

[Got the Shakes]

Run BF3 on there and then we'll talk.

It seems to be a somewhat competent machine to play BF3 on should you choose to do that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2aOel1baQk

[1-UP]

Ignore the Apple haters.

[Dennis]

Then the thread would have, like, four posts.

*rimshot*

[diamount]

It seems to be a somewhat competent machine to play BF3 on should you choose to do that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2aOel1baQk

Still better than consoles I guess, but for the money that costed you could've gotten a way better laptop.

[Daydream Sequence]

Prepare to get flamed. A lot of gaming side hates Apple. I'm glad you're happy with it though. Mac Steam certainly seems to be getting better and better.

I won't flame him for liking Apple. I have one of those Retina MBPs and they're OK, but they are definitely NOT great for gaming. Games are definitely playable, but don't buy one of these if you expect to be able to play the big games at even near top quality visuals/performance.

[ToD_]

But what you have under the hood can actually drive modestly demanding games at that resolution. Now what needs to happen in Apple releasing a Retina Cinama IPS display to replace their current 27"/30" model.

5120x2880 on a 27" screen. I like the sound of that.

[Lord Error]

Run BF3 on there and then we'll talk.

It does well with BF3 as long as you don't go above 1900x1200 (looks amazing in that res despite not being native to the screen)

I posted some of my experience with BF3 here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...2&postcount=32

You can have it running at fairly solid 60 if you drop some of the settings just a bit down more. I was also able to run it at 30FPS at native res 2800x1800 with settings on Medium/high, but I don't think there's much of a point, although the IQ does look razor sharp.

[1-D_FTW]

2200 bucks.

I just plug a USB Keyboard and mouse in.

Yeah. Sounds like one hell of a machine all right.

[Gowans]

Quickly checked out Blacklight.

Ran framey on 2880 x 1800 with max settings, put it down to 1600 x 1200 and ran nice and smooth.

No half res 1440x900 option weirdly.

Off to walk the dog then sit down and play around tonight.


Man getting Blacklight going was a pain.





Gaming is a pure bonus for this, it's going to be used for work.

[TUSR]

I believe the only user replaceable part is the SSD, and it must be done by Apple. The RAM is soldered to the Logic Board and the battery is glued together. I'm personally waiting until the 2013 or 2014 revision when we can get a graphics card that can handle the resolution a bit better.

NOTHING is user replaceable on the rMBP.

Its not even a SSD inside of it, its a stripped apart SSD. Its also why they label it as 'Flash' Storage.

[Gowans]

Run BF3 on there and then we'll talk.

If anyone wants to gift me it I'd me more than happy to run some 'tests' ;)

[Lord Error]

NOTHING is user replaceable on the rMBP.

SSD is, but no one makes a replacement yet.

[1-D_FTW]

Gaming is a pure bonus for this, it's going to be used for work.

That's cool then. I don't really have an issue with that. As long as it's just a cool, unexpected bonus.

I'd still maintain it's a lousy choice if you were setting out to get a gaming computer, but as long as it's not the primary focus and just treated as an unexpected bonus, hard to begrudge that.

[TUSR]

SSD is, but no one makes a replacement yet.

Read edited post. If no one makes a 'SSD' for it, its not user replaceable.

[Daydream Sequence]

Gaming is a pure bonus for this, it's going to be used for work.

Now this I definitely agree with. My MBP is for work, but the ability to play Minecraft, WoW, Diablo etc at a nice res and framerate is a bonus. It's not a gaming laptop by any means, but it can play games respectably. It does warm up though despite the new fan system.

[Lord Error]

That's cool then. I don't really have an issue with that. As long as it's just a cool, unexpected bonus. I'd still maintain it's a lousy choice if you were setting out to get a gaming computer, but as long as it's not the primary focus and just treated as an unexpected bonus, hard to begrudge that.

Teh fact that you can just walk with it to a TV and play games like that is an extra bonus IMO.

It's a work machine for me as well, but:
- Games look great on its own screen (and by great I mean phenomenal, you have to see Trine 2 on it!)
- Super easy to get games playing on TV - just plug to TV and use controller of your choice
- Easy to use vertical (tate) mode for shmups!

Read edited post. If no one makes a 'SSD' for it, its not user replaceable.

That's true, but it just came out. There's always going to be someone making replacement drive stick, so far it's been the case anyway.

[Iacobellis]

Read edited post. If no one makes a 'SSD' for it, its not user replaceable.

Hopefully in a couple years, the manufacturing processes get better so we can see thinner and smaller parts. Then the MacBook can stay at the same thin design with non-proprietary hardware.

[TUSR]

Hopefully in a couple years, the manufacturing processes get better so we can see thinner and smaller parts. Then the MacBook can stay at the same thin design with non-proprietary hardware.

The only change I can see that would produce those results would be the changing of the batteries. There is so much room that could be saved if there was a cheap and efficient alternative for Li-I batteries.

[ghst]

nothing beats subjective analysis of technical proficiency.

go go empiricism!

if your desktop is powered by something worse than a 4850, it might be time to head to the nearest flea market/dump to pick up an upgrade.

[Neiteio]

I got a shitload of games in the last Steam sale to gift to my brother who just ordered one of these. If he partitions enough space for Bootcamp/Windows, he should be able to play all of them, right? (Saints Row 3 + all DLC, Just Cause 2 + all DLC, GTAIV Complete, etc)

Anyone answer this?

[Ingueferroque]

With the default drivers and Windows 8 I have a lot of issues where games think my screen is smaller, which basically means that my full screen is shown, but my cursor can only reach half of the screen area.

Restarting the game does the trick.. it is very strange though.

I was shocked when I find out that Windows 8 takes up 20GB, what the hell?

Does Windows 8 use the full 16GB of Ram in my machine? Should I install custom drivers for my card?

[mrklaw]

Presumably you guys are self employed, because otherwise it'd be a hard sell to your IT department that you absolutely need a retina mbp. If you bpneed the CPU power there is the normal mbp or any number of IT friendly Lenovo/dell options.

[Iacobellis]

Anyone answer this?

Yes. If he plans to use Mac OS X more than anything and Windows is just for games, then I would split the drive around 60% and 40%. I'm not sure how big the games are, though.

[Lord Error]

Anyone answer this?

Yes, especially if he has the 512GB drive model, but you can allocate as much as you want to bootcamp.

if your desktop is powered by something worse than a 4850, it might be time to head to the nearest flea market/dump to pick up an upgrade.

I have 5750, but a pretty low res monitor, so it ends up being mostly fine. I mean if BF3 runs well on High, there's not much else right now to stress it with. It feels about the same with this laptop, as long as you stick to lower (and by lower I mean 1900x1080, heh) resolutions. It's a different story if you have 2500x1600 dual monitor or 3D monitor setup.

[Got the Shakes]

Still better than consoles I guess, but for the money that costed you could've gotten a way better laptop.

There is no doubt that the rMBP isn't a "gaming" laptop, and isn't marketed as one. If you are looking for a machine with a beautiful screen and OS X, that can also play new games on mostly high settings, then it's a really good machine for that. Really what it boils down to is that it gives Mac users and option to own a great MacBook that happens to also be able to play games. Certainly not everyone's cup of tea, and at no point should anyone be naive enough to think that it can keep up with a dedicated gaming laptop. For a lot of people though it will be good enough to handle the games they want to play.

[diamount]

There is no doubt that the rMBP isn't a "gaming" laptop, and isn't marketed as one. If you are looking for a machine with a beautiful screen and OS X, that can also play new games on mostly high settings, then it's a really good machine for that. Really what it boils down to is that it gives Mac users and option to own a great MacBook that happens to also be able to play games. Certainly not everyone's cup of tea, and at no point should anyone be naive enough to think that it can keep up with a dedicated gaming laptop. For a lot of people though it will be good enough to handle the games they want to play.

I'm guessing the retina is for photoshop/editing mostly.

[Labombadog]

Glad your having a good time with you Mac. :D

[Perkel]

Quite the demanding games you list there. One hell of a games machine.

[Iacobellis]

I'm guessing the retina is for photoshop/editing mostly.

That's what any Mac is usually for. I am a MacBook Pro owner myself, but will be building my first PC soon for games and some editing. I can't justify the $2,200+ for a laptop right now.

[Izayoi]

$2200 for a 650m isn't exactly stellar...

[cRIPticon]

I have a shitty AMD Fusion laptop that could handle these games.

you DO?!??! REALLY!!??!?! Apple should just stop even trying then.

[Lord Error]

I'm guessing the retina is for photoshop/editing mostly.

Text looks phenomenal on it, better than on any other laptop or desktop screen actually. I love programming on it.

$2200 for a 650m isn't exactly stellar...

It's basically the best screen you can get right now, so there's going to be price premium on that. 650M is a welcome bonus though.

[Freakinchair]

If I were to spend 2,200$ dollars on a computer it would crush that Macbook's specs into oblivion. I would be able to play games coming out in the next 3 years at max settings. Of course it wouldn't be a laptop but then again I don't play games at work.

[Got the Shakes]

I'm guessing the retina is for photoshop/editing mostly.

That's what any Mac is usually for. I am a MacBook Pro owner myself, but will be building my first PC soon for games and some editing. I can't justify the $2,200+ for a laptop right now.

That is exactly the point. It's a machine made for editing and Photoshop work that can also run games if you install a Windows partition on it. That's why I don't understand all the hate for Apple when it comes to gaming. No one who owns a MacBook bought one to play games, they had other needs and being able to play games is just a bonus. I don't think any logical Mac user would ever claim that their machine will hang with or out perform a dedicated gaming PC when it comes to gaming, but personally I like just being able to carry one machine around to be able to work on and play games on if I so choose.

[Lonely1]

That is exactly the point. It's a machine made for editing and Photoshop work that can also run games if you install a Windows partition on it. That's why I don't understand all the hate for Apple when it comes to gaming. No one who owns a MacBook bought one to play games, they had other needs and being able to play games is just a bonus. I don't think any logical Mac user would ever claim that their machine will hang with or out perform a dedicated gaming PC when it comes to gaming, but personally I like just being able to carry one machine around to be able to work on and play games on if I so choose.

The problem then was calling it a "hell of a games machine". I doubt many would disagree with "Is a hell of a laptop that happens to be good at playings games too!"

Text looks phenomenal on it, better than on any other laptop or desktop screen actually. I love programming on it.

I prefer a bigger screens myself. That being said, I would say no to a 30+ inch "retina display".

[diamount]

Text looks phenomenal on it, better than on any other laptop or desktop screen actually. I love programming on it. It's basically the best screen you can get right now, so there's going to be price premium on that. 650M is a welcome bonus though.

I can understand that but how does it compare to a U3011?

[Got the Shakes]

The problem then was calling it a "hell of a games machine". I doubt many would disagree with "Is a hell of a laptop that happens to be good at playings games too!"

Calling it a "hell of a games machine" wasn't my doing. Haha

[CaptainSchwann]

if your desktop is powered by something worse than a 4850, it might be time to head to the nearest flea market/dump to pick up an upgrade.

Lol I found that pretty funny.