[IrishNinja]

New consoles soon, the war will return stronger than ever.

you can feel it starting already with the WU. it's gonna be painful.

If neogaf was influential, then Mass Effect 3 would have sold 6 copies and Batman the Dark Knight Rises would have been the number one box office hit of all time.

yeah it'd be just like that
i feel like i read a different OP

[apana]

If neogaf was influential, then Mass Effect 3 would have sold 6 copies and Batman the Dark Knight Rises would have been the number one box office hit of all time.

The Dark Knight series is a strange example to use of us not being influential. As far as games go I think we can be influential even if we aren't perfectly representative of the demographic groups that tend to buy these games.

[Icomp]

I don't know about "industry influential", but I do know that like 70% of the news on a gaming website I visit gives credit to Neogaf.

[Perkel]

NeoGAF is not influential because it runs 1280x640 and has shitty framerate.

[Nibel]

I don't know if it's influential - but I'm pretty sure that many, many, many people from the industry read GAF.

[Radec]

|OT|'s are free advertisements.

They make people buy games even if they have no plans to.

[Unknown Soldier]

|OT|'s are free advertisements. They make people buy games even if they have no plans to.

I doubt there are enough people regularly visiting GAF to significantly affect game sales just because there was an |OT| about it.

[bigjimmystyle]

So how does Dark Souls having a shitty port relate to GAF's industry influence?

[Icomp]

So how does Dark Souls having a shitty port relate to GAF's industry influence?

Don't think they relate to the shittiness, more like there's actually a port in the making.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Great way to completely miss my point.

You had a point?

No, you posed a question.

He responded to you.

[Hero]

We do a lot more than people will ever give us credit for.

Let's just run over a quicklist:

The Old NPD threads where we would track all the data we could and post trends and analyze data to the point where NPD had to start getting stricter to the point where we only get what they want us to have for the most part.

Scribblenauts' success at its first E3 and getting it swamped at its booth after the thread on GAF was made

NeoGAF logo being in Scribblenauts afterwards

Jackson is a member here.

Special thanks in various games.

A source of most other outlets' news/twitter

Metal Gear Solid Triology fiasco?

Denis Dyack, Too Human and the For or Against thread

That Microsoft exec Bell who messaged a user with "and your contribution to society is...?"

A lot of other stuff that's already been mentioned in this thread and other stuff I'm forgetting at the moment.

We're a vocal minority that happens to matter on some topics.

[Thrakier]

Nothing at all, because most of the time we don't even have the same opinion. For every Yay there is a Nay.

[gabbre]

Before anything happens in this industry, they ask to me

Seriously, NeoGAF is just (just?) a source of news and GIFS for other gaming sites and forum. Oh, and a great community.

[Ravidrath]

So influential, that this exact thread pops up every few years when someone realizes that GAF isn't influential and tries to talk themselves out of it.

We do a lot more than people will ever give us credit for. Let's just run over a quicklist: The Old NPD threads where we would track all the data we could and post trends and analyze data to the point where NPD had to start getting stricter to the point where we only get what they want us to have for the most part. Scribblenauts' success at its first E3 and getting it swamped at its booth after the thread on GAF was made NeoGAF logo being in Scribblenauts afterwards Jackson is a member here. Special thanks in various games. A source of most other outlets' news/twitter Metal Gear Solid Triology fiasco? Denis Dyack, Too Human and the For or Against thread That Microsoft exec Bell who messaged a user with "and your contribution to society is...?" A lot of other stuff that's already been mentioned in this thread and other stuff I'm forgetting at the moment. We're a vocal minority that happens to matter on some topics.

None of this qualifies as "influence" - having fans and detractors as a result of being giant is not the same as having any kind of actual pull.

I've passed along suggestions from GAF that have been directly implemented in our game, but that's not GAF, that's a handful of ideas from some great users.

[Celine]

The Gaming Industry's Guiltiest Pleasure.

.

[Gez]

|OT|'s are free advertisements. They make people buy games even if they have no plans to.

I guess you're not making the Black Ops 2 OT now... lol

[Hindle]

Gaf is my number one go to place for gaming news now, I dont bother with gaming websites. So I'd say it's pretty influential.

[mclem]

I've seen so many definitions of "Dudebro" on here that if "we" ever got our way, I'm not sure what games would be made.

No games would be made; we'd split into factions and bicker amongst ourselves as to what *deserves* to be made, and nothing would get done.

[Canis lupus]

Gaf is my number one go to place for gaming news now, I dont bother with gaming websites. So I'd say it's pretty influential.

Indeed, I get all my news from Gaf now, even articles on other sites.

[Rapstah]

Going by this year's E3, press seems to think NeoGAF is more important than ever.

[TheExorzist]

NeoGaf influentiual? You serious? How many here buy new games? Like 1/4 of the whole community?

[Radec]

I guess you're not making the Black Ops 2 OT now... lol

:P

[teruterubozu]

GAF used to be more industry oriented with a tighter group of devs and journalists.
Now it's all saturated.

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Some should join: Kamiya

Pretty sure JP is telling him some stuff going on here.

[Sethos]

We got Rockstar to release GTA V shots.

Yes we did.

Shut up.

[Red UFO]

Influential on like, gaming sites and stuff? Probably yeah, sure. In terms of industry trends and actual games? No, im pretty sure we are an edge case.

[yogloo]

Everything gaf hates turns out to be super succesful. That's extremely influential.

[parski]

According to a friend of mine the /v/ forum on 4chan is what made Minecraft a success. I have a hard time seeing /v/ as more influential than GAF. Am I completely wrong?

[More Fun To Compute]

It's surprising how influential forums have been in my opinion and how much developers hear what you say. But if you expect to be taken seriously and be respected just for talking shite on GAF you are pretty badly mistaken.

[CyclopsRock]

NeoGAF is the forum where everything is terrible but we buy it anyway. NeoGAF might not have influenced anything, but that behaviour has...

[Paddling Ghost]

According to a friend of mine the /v/ forum on 4chan is what made Minecraft a success. I have a hard time seeing /v/ as more influential than GAF. Am I completely wrong?

They discovered minecraft and helped give it the boost to success but in terms of influence I'm more impressed by the dinosaur in BF3.

[Delusibeta]

I'd say NeoGAF's influence is roughly on a par with Something Awful (i.e. extremely small).

[Unknown Soldier]

According to a friend of mine the /v/ forum on 4chan is what made Minecraft a success. I have a hard time seeing /v/ as more influential than GAF. Am I completely wrong?

4chan averages over 1 million unique page views PER DAY. I have no idea how moot pays for all his bandwidth, since he has never run that site for profit.

[NBtoaster]

According to a friend of mine the /v/ forum on 4chan is what made Minecraft a success. I have a hard time seeing /v/ as more influential than GAF. Am I completely wrong?

Youtube made Minecraft a success.

[Dachande]

I don't know if I'd call it "influential", but since this forum is one of the best to go for news, with userbase is large to keep it updating over the day to be constantly entertaining, and users that largely aren't retarded, a lot of devs read it and so much of the things people say about their games pass their eyeballs.

On top of that you get dedicated community managers like Ravidrath and Markman and that Amazon guy posting here too, so whatever's said in threads they monitor about their lines of work is going to be noticed.

"Influential" probably isn't the right word, but I think what's posted on GAF is definitely heard and taken into some consideration by people of relevence.

[nmanma]

According to a friend of mine the /v/ forum on 4chan is what made Minecraft a success. I have a hard time seeing /v/ as more influential than GAF. Am I completely wrong?

/v/ also predicted the TORtanic, so...

4chan>GAF>Gamefaqs in terms of influence and analysis power?

what a scary thought

[Dali]

So influential, that this exact thread pops up every few years when someone realizes that GAF isn't influential and tries to talk themselves out of it. None of this qualifies as "influence" - having fans and detractors as a result of being giant is not the same as having any kind of actual pull. I've passed along suggestions from GAF that have been directly implemented in our game, but that's not GAF, that's a handful of ideas from some great users.

I don't understand why you're separating the user from the community, when you met them through the community, and their whole reason for posting on a topic and you meeting them is said community. The forum provides the platform and fosters an environment conducive to these accomplishments. Most of the examples cited of investigative journalism and various discoveries can be traced back to individual users but it's still applied to gaf as a whole as that's the community those users belong to and that's the main outlet they used to disseminate that information.

[Bomber Bob]

CliffyB if you're reading this please answer:

y are you using "who say" on twitter? ain't like kinda a douchy version of yfrog?

[Conor 419]

Pretty influential I'd think, there's not really a 'them vs us' mentality with GAF as so many industry figures use this site anyway. Also, as a gaming news site, GAF is actually probably the best out there. No story gets left behind, no rumour gets left unpicked, and thanks to the tough but stable admin scene, they're usually accompanied by world class opinions ;D

[Dennis]

We pretty much determine the direction the gaming industry will take.

And by we I mean primarily me.

[StuBurns]

We pretty much determine the direction the gaming industry will take. And by we I mean primarily me.

First thing I thought when I saw that recent CryEngine 3 tech video was DennyKizzleIV was victorious in inspiring the unreasonable levels of pretty despite those aging boxes people are so keen on.

[ZanDatsu]

The very large majority of people who play games have no idea what NeoGAF is and probably want nothing to do with it either. I dunno where this self-importance comes from, but it's very misplaced IMO.

[Ichabod]

When GAF speaks, developers listen. We can't help it that we're just a little bit ahead of the curve.

[Tobiasboon]

GAF championed Uncharted 3 and it was a modest hit. Edit: HaloGAF championed Halo 3/Reach/4 and they were HUGE hits GAF championed Gears 3 and it was a huge hit GAF championed BF3 and it was a modest hit. A lot of GAF hated MW3 and it still sold gangbusters. Hmmmmmm...

This really makes no sense, and btw, Gears 3 and Uncharted 3 sold similar numbers afaik and BF3 sold more than either on both PS3 and 360 not including the PC version, so not seeing how you're defining "huge" vs "modest" hits...?

As for industry influence, I would think not much but it's almost totally impossible to gauge. I think we can safely say it's pretty insignificant compared to the established mainstream though.

[Varth]

Let's see: obligatory cynical attitude, emphasis on sales discussion... Yeah, I'd put it on par with metacritic and /b/ in terms of "influence" over the gaming community and - as a consequence - over the industry.

[Delusibeta]

I dunno where this self-importance comes from, but it's very misplaced IMO.

Most large communities will always have a feeling of self-importance. If you asked this question at Something Awful, 4chan, Reddit etc you'll probably get a similar response.

[Interfectum]

As long as GAF continues it's trend of massive knee-jerk reactions to anything and everything it's influence will be limited.

[Dennis]

First thing I thought when I saw that recent CryEngine 3 tech video was DennyKizzleIV was victorious in inspiring the unreasonable levels of pretty despite those aging boxes people are so keen on.

Yeah, one of my finer achievements.

[Hero]

So influential, that this exact thread pops up every few years when someone realizes that GAF isn't influential and tries to talk themselves out of it. None of this qualifies as "influence" - having fans and detractors as a result of being giant is not the same as having any kind of actual pull. I've passed along suggestions from GAF that have been directly implemented in our game, but that's not GAF, that's a handful of ideas from some great users.

Really? You don't consider IGN taking a fake news story by one of your posters and running it as a major announcement on their own website as influence? You don't consider that a large contributing factor to the original Scribblenauts' hype and recognition started because of a GAF's thread about it influential? I disagree with you. Even if we were to take everything away except the fact that the majority of video games media news originates from GAF is pretty indicative of the influence.

You can't say that GAF isn't influential and then say "Oh well some of their users are great and had great ideas that we decided to use as feedback on our game." either. That's highly disingenuous.

[Xero]

I just want to say that i'm VERY happy that neogaf don't have ANY influence over Nintendo.... or the next Mario or Zelda would be ..... it is too painfull to imagine

Different for a change? At least in zelda's case that would be a welcome change. I might actually pick up the series again.