[AppleMIX]

Yes, and Dragon Age Origins was boring shit. Your point?

So why exactly are you in this thread? It seems like the only point of you being here is to start up a unnecessary argument.

What hyperbole? There was a lot of Dragon Age 2 DLC.

Most of that DLC is just promo nonsense. It was more of a statement about Neogaf anyways. It seems like every EA thread just automatically assumes the worst (I've probably heard EA is going to shut down BF3 servers about 20 times) .

[_Keiichi_]

So why exactly are you in this thread? It seems like the only point of you being here is to start up a unnecessary argument.

What is this, Bioware-fan-club members only?

A lot of people despise the current direction of the company, deal with it. I can express my dislike for it as much you can express your love for DA2 or whatever. If you don't like it, ignore my posts.

[SerRodrik]

Lol, amazing one _Keiichi_ Actually, this is a good advice for this one. Thank you sir!

No problem!

I'd like it if the game was good. I loved Origins, and theoretically a lot of the people that made that game are still there right? If they went into it with the right mindset, the right goals for the project and a proper understanding of what went wrong with DA2, they could still make a good product. But given Bioware's recent output and attitude, I don't think they have the right priorities, and I doubt they actually understand why people hated DA2 so much. And even if they did, I don't think EA would let them make the game the way it should be made. It has to have the broadest appeal possible to sell what EA needs it to sell, and I don't think we're gonna get an RPG with that broad appeal without doing away with most of what made the genre interesting.

[AppleMIX]

What is this, Bioware-fan-club members only? A lot of people despise the current direction of the company, deal with it. I can express my dislike for it as much you can express your love for DA2 or whatever. If you don't like it, ignore my posts.

I don't like Metroid but I don't go into every Metroid topic and explain to everyone why I don't like Metorid.

Seriously, we don't need a daily reminder that people hate Bioware.

It would be a much better discussion if we focused what the thread is actually about.

[Kintaro]

Maybe they can get DA back on track -

Oh, I see this thread is already...

<runs away>

[Meatvillain]

If it's like Dragon Age II with more time in the oven (and presumably far fewer flaws - fingers crossed) I'll be happy, I really enjoyed Dragon Age II. I know, I'm the worst person. :P

Mass Effect 3's co-op, did turn out well, by the way. Perfectly understandable to upset at the idea of its inclusion in Dragon Age 3, I just thought the basis of the complaint in the OP was completely off-base.

[AppleMIX]

If it's like Dragon Age II with more time in the oven (and presumably far fewer flaws - fingers crossed) I'll be happy, I really enjoyed Dragon Age II. I know, I'm the worst person. :P Mass Effect 3's co-op, did turn out well, by the way. Perfectly understandable to upset at the idea of its inclusion in Dragon Age 3, I just thought the basis of the complaint in the OP was completely off-base.

Also, NWN did have multiplayer. I don't really see the issue.

[Orayn]

Also, NWN did have multiplayer. I don't really see the issue.

We are, in all likelihood, looking at some kind of goofy horde mode rather than smoothly integrated multiplayer modules.

[AppleMIX]

We are, in all likelihood, looking at some kind of goofy horde mode rather than smoothly integrated multiplayer modules.

Probably, but its not unheard of a game like this to get the multiplayer treatment.

[_Keiichi_]

NWN was built all around multi-player, the main campaign was awful.

I don't like Metroid but I don't go into every Metroid topic and explain to everyone why I don't like Metorid. Seriously, we don't need a daily reminder that people hate Bioware. It would be a much better discussion if we focused what the thread is actually about.

You mean Bioware and the future of the series? Yeah, because that's what people are discussing. Not my fault the last 5 years or so of the company have been awful.

[Eggman]

Hepler is fucking pathetic.

[SerRodrik]

Probably, but its not unheard of a game like this to get the multiplayer treatment.

And I'll be as excited for that as I am for every other multiplayer mode that gets tacked onto a single player series.

[Trigger]

I'm not too excited for coop, but mainly because I dislike when the game and story become segregated. I hope there's a good enough explanation for it.

[AppleMIX]

And I'll be as excited for that as I am for every other multiplayer mode that gets tacked onto a single player series.

I would rather wait for actual information than just assume its tacked on.

[SerRodrik]

I would rather wait for actual information than just assume its tacked on.

Perhaps I should phrase it this way then: I'll be as excited for it as I am every time a previously single player series gets a multiplayer mode added in its next installment.

[Piecake]

Take the Inquisitor's cloak and lead the only force able of bringing light into the darkness. Choose the direct method and gather your armies, send spies into the shadows or engage in a political war, make friends and use your connections indirectly: it is up to you how you lead the inquisition. But you'll have to take lead of it from the beginning

Well, that sounds cool, but Im definitely going to wait and see if they can actually pull this off well and not be simply one or two choices where you get the choice of being more direct or discreet

[Trigger]

I'm actually curious if the choice between direct/political will be something more than just flavor text before each quest.

[Piecake]

I'm actually curious if the choice between direct/political will be something more than just flavor text before each quest.

If it is, that will be might disappointing and i definitely wont buy it. choosing to be direct or indirect better damn well lead to different gameplay scenarios (and hopefully story consequences) or else its simply pointless

[JoeBoy101]

Going to pay attention, but as far as I'm concerned, this is the one true inquisitor:

[Nirolak]

Game Informer? Or just a random, "Hey, here it is!"? The VGAs are some months out.

Either are quite probable.

They did announce Crysis 3 at random.

[kai3345]

Hyped for this just for the OT

Bioware is dead to me

[Banana Kid]

Man, that other Dragon Age thread has reminded me how much I loved Origins. I'd really like to see them get this right.

If they could just bolt the combat and art style of Dragon Age II onto Origins, that would be perfect.

[SerRodrik]

Man, that other Dragon Age thread has reminded me how much I loved Origins. I'd really like to see them get this right. If they could just bolt the combat and art style of Dragon Age II onto Origins, that would be perfect.

Except the combat from DA2 was a clusterfuck and the art style (qunari excluded) was ugly.

Given the story description from the leak, I wonder if they're setting this game up to be the last in the series? They always said that they didn't intend for the series to be a trilogy, but all this talk of demons entering the world and a hidden foe manipulating everything from behind the scenes sounds like end game material to me.

[Dmax3901]

What does that BSN guy have against ME3's Co-op? Thought it was surprisingly good...

[Trigger]

Except the combat from DA2 was a clusterfuck and the art style (qunari excluded) was ugly. Given the story description from the leak, I wonder if they're setting this game up to be the last in the series? They always said that they didn't intend for the series to be a trilogy, but all this talk of demons entering the world and a hidden foe manipulating everything from behind the scenes sounds like end game material to me.

The elves! Ruined. ;_;

[DTKT]

What does that BSN guy have against ME3's Co-op? Thought it was surprisingly good...

There is nothing inherently wrong with adding Multiplayer to a game. But there is that widespread notion that doing so limits the resources you have to invest into the Singleplayer part.

I mean, let's take ME3 for example. If the Montreal studio had helped with the Singleplayer, we probably wouldn't have the rushed ending and the general lack of polish. But Montreal probably wouldn't have joined without the need for the MP in the first place.

[Inorigo]

Either are quite probable. They did announce Crysis 3 at random.

Right, right. That was very, "Oh wow, really?" when it happened.

[HK-47]

I'm actually curious if the choice between direct/political will be something more than just flavor text before each quest.

As soon as Bioware attempts any sort of political writing, its time to get off the train. We headed for the canyon and the bridge is out.

[Piecake]

Except the combat from DA2 was a clusterfuck and the art style (qunari excluded) was ugly. Given the story description from the leak, I wonder if they're setting this game up to be the last in the series? They always said that they didn't intend for the series to be a trilogy, but all this talk of demons entering the world and a hidden foe manipulating everything from behind the scenes sounds like end game material to me.

well, they could always end this story with this one, but create another game in the dragon age universe with different story concept

Personally, I hope this is the last one since i never really liked Dragon Age's universe. Its incredibly bland to me

I also have to say that the questionaires are for marketing purposes and not the actual game makes a lot of sense since they definitely need help with that, and it is pretty late in the game to change anything substantial now

[MartyStu]

As soon as Bioware attempts any sort of political writing, its time to get off the train. We headed for the canyon and the bridge is out.

I would love to see this.

If only because it is pretty fun to watch them fail in unique and amazing new ways...

[SerRodrik]

There is nothing inherently wrong with adding Multiplayer to a game. But there is that widespread notion that doing so limits the resources you have to invest into the Singleplayer part. I mean, let's take ME3 for example. If the Montreal studio had helped with the Singleplayer, we probably wouldn't have the rushed ending and the general lack of polish. But Montreal probably wouldn't have joined without the need for the MP in the first place.

It can also, I imagine, fundamentally alter the design process. Maybe the combat ruleset is designed differently to accommodate multiplayer, maybe they make the campaign shorter because they have the multiplayer to fall back on for replay value. All for a feature that, with extraordinarily rare exception, does not add to my enjoyment of a game and in most cases actively works against it.

As soon as Bioware attempts any sort of political writing, its time to get off the train. We headed for the canyon and the bridge is out.

In all fairness to Bioware, I liked the political stuff from Origins. The mess of dwarven politics and the landsmeet seemed well done.

[LumpOfCole]

Return of DA2 dialog wheel, or back to DA:O lists?

[Fimbulvetr]

I would love to see this. If only because it is pretty fun to watch them fail in unique and amazing new ways...

Apparently DA2 was already them attempting to be political.

[Trigger]

Return of DA2 dialog wheel, or back to DA:O lists?

The wheel stays. Confirmed if I'm not mistaken.

[Dmax3901]

There is nothing inherently wrong with adding Multiplayer to a game. But there is that widespread notion that doing so limits the resources you have to invest into the Singleplayer part. I mean, let's take ME3 for example. If the Montreal studio had helped with the Singleplayer, we probably wouldn't have the rushed ending and the general lack of polish. But Montreal probably wouldn't have joined without the need for the MP in the first place.

I see your point, but I'd be surprised if that was what the BSN guy meant.

[Inorigo]

The wheel stays. Confirmed if I'm not mistaken.

As it should.

[HK-47]

As it should.

Yes i love my shitty, truncated responses that half the time dont really match what I actually end up saying. The only dialogue wheel that ever worked was Alpha Protocol tone based wheel.

[SerRodrik]

As it should.

Eh. I don't hate the wheel on principle, but Hawke had some really bad dialogue and characterization. I don't know if that's down to the way Bioware writes for a dialogue wheel system or if Hawke was just a bad character. But if you're going to try to make your protagonist feel less like a role the player fills and more like an actual character, he or she should probably actually be an interesting character, or what's the point? Recent Bioware protagonists have been stuck in this weird middle ground where you can't step into their shoes but their also really, really boring.

Yes i love my shitty, truncated responses that half the time dont really match what I actually end up saying. The only dialogue wheel that ever worked was Alpha Protocol tone based wheel.

That's another thing. It felt entirely random whether what Hawke said would actually square with what I wanted him to say. I was actually OCD enough to reload a save several times when he would take the reins of a conversation and veer into crazytown. And since there were only three tones that you could react to anything with, Hawke came across as super emotionally stunted. He could only ever be diplomatic, sarcastic, or angry in any situation.

[Banana Kid]

After Mass Effect 3 completely wasted the wheel, I'd rather just see it go. Clearly they're not doing anything with it.

What's the fucking point of the wheel if there are only ever two choices?

[Rufus]

That's another thing. It felt entirely random whether what Hawke said would actually square with what I wanted him to say. I was actually OCD enough to reload a save several times when he would take the reins of a conversation and veer into crazytown. And since there were only three tones that you could react to anything with, Hawke came across as super emotionally stunted. He could only ever be diplomatic, sarcastic, or angry in any situation.

Did you ever play LA Noire? The protagonist feels like a psycho for much the same reason.

[DTKT]

After Mass Effect 3 completely wasted the wheel, I'd rather just see it go. Clearly they're not doing anything with it. What's the fucking point of the wheel if there are only ever two choices?

Yeah, that something that struck me with ME3. Sometimes, you feel like there should be a conversation option mid-conversation and bam, nothing.

Weird.

[MartyStu]

Did you ever play LA Noire? The protagonist feels like a psycho for much the same reason.

True.

If I am going to play a pyscho, I rather it be for all the right reasons (See: Michael Thorton).

[Patryn]

I think it's going to be a very careful unveiling. I anticipate that they'll probably hit us with gameplay right away, as opposed to dropping a CG trailer and then not saying anything for a while.

They know they have an alienated audience, and they know the stakes are high. Let's see if they can pull this off. I don't have a lot of faith.

[Lancehead]

I think BioWare can create a masterpiece if their characters and story are self-aware and have plenty of irony, making a satire of themselves.

[SerRodrik]

Did you ever play LA Noire? The protagonist feels like a psycho for much the same reason.

I haven't, but that's not the first time I've heard that about that game. It seems to be a problem for the "protagonist that has a voice but you still pick what he says" model. I thought Deus Ex Human Revolution did a pretty good job at not making the protagonist sound schizophrenic, but that game gave you a chunk of the actual dialogue so that you could tell what he was actually going to say.

[AppleMIX]

I think it's going to be a very careful unveiling. I anticipate that they'll probably hit us with gameplay right away, as opposed to dropping a CG trailer and then not saying anything for a while. They know they have an alienated audience, and they know the stakes are high. Let's see if they can pull this off. I don't have a lot of faith.

It's pretty clear they know they fucked up. Hence why they're waiting to officially announce it.

[Patryn]

Honestly, though, I think the best thing Bioware could do is give the series to Obsidian for a game, and then give them the time and support they need.

[DTKT]

I think it's going to be a very careful unveiling. I anticipate that they'll probably hit us with gameplay right away, as opposed to dropping a CG trailer and then not saying anything for a while. They know they have an alienated audience, and they know the stakes are high. Let's see if they can pull this off. I don't have a lot of faith.

They need a Marilyn Manson track to go with that gameplay trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4OjtdGy1jM

[MartyStu]

Honestly, though, I think the best thing Bioware could do is give the series to Obsidian for a game, and then give them the time and support they need.

This is not going to happen.

More importantly, I DO NOT want this to happen. Obsidian probably has only a little fight left in them and I rather not see them wasted on DA.

[Patryn]

I will be curious, though: Mike Laidlaw front and center for the PR, or hidden behind the curtain?

This is not going to happen. More importantly, I DO NOT want this to happen. Obsidian probably has only a little fight left in them and I rather not see them wasted on DA.

Oh, I know it's not going to happen. I don't even know if it would be good for Obsidian. I just know it would be good for the DA franchise.