[sangreal]

Haha, no.

Roman Polanski?

[PantyPhantom]

Roman Polanski?

In 1977, after a photo shoot in Los Angeles, Polanski was arrested for the statutory rape of a 13-year-old girl and pleaded guilty to the charge of unlawful sex with a minor. To avoid sentencing, Polanski fled to his home in London, eventually settling in France. In September 2009, he was arrested by Swiss police at the request of U.S. authorities, which also asked for his extradition. The Swiss rejected that request, and instead released him from custody, declaring him a "free man." During an interview for a later film documentary, he offered his apology to the woman, and in a separate interview with Swiss TV he said that he has regretted that episode for the last 33 years.

Probably the only high profile name to fit the question and still not quite the same eh?

[Schmattakopf]

So amazing. "These rape allegations are so laughable" "So then I guess he shouldn't worry about getting convicted" "Yea! Wait no. Wait... erm... hold on a sec"

Clearly his fear is not about conviction.

[lenovox1]

During the past 10 years the US, with the help of other countries, has done plenty of things that they supposedly could not do. The idea that something is impossible because it's not proper or technically legal is awfully quaint. The US "cannot" perform domestic wiretapping without a warrant, yet did so. The US "cannot" indefinitely imprison criminals without right to Habeas, yet did so.

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails.

I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay?

Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand?

Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it.

Moving on. . .

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Way to be Ecuador. You go girl.

[Joni]

And that exactly what I wanted Wait no it's not, the guy was in India!

He was wanted by Belgium, arrested in Malta. And he spent time in India in between.

[Dresden]

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails. I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay? Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand? Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it. Moving on. . .

we got a badass over here

[Jackpot]

I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker.

What are you talking about?

[commedieu]

Yes.

Roman Polanski...?

[Trojita]

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails. I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay? Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand? Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it. Moving on. . .

This thread just got REAL interesting.

[Blair]

Oh hell no.

Best meltdown i've seen this year.

[Clipjoint]

You are being very disingenuous. To claim you aren't moving the goalposts is, frankly, pathetic. Your initial claim was that he was wanted to answer questions, and I corrected you. Stop being a child.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you living in a fantasy world? Before officially charging him with a crime in the Swedish system, they need to bring him in for more questioning. Until now, they have not officially charged him. How am I moving the goal posts by saying they want to question him?

I really don't think anyone can deny that Assange's fears of being extradited are justified. Even the Australian government believes it's likely:

It's not like Sweden has a well documented history of rendition for the purposes of torture. In this case his request for assurances that he won't be extradited are justified and necessary.

All of the evidence is laid out here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...e-right-asylum

[radioheadrule83]

KHarv has his views on this, and he educates himself reasonably well and makes some very good points, but I agree with what you've said... I don't think he's reading your posts properly because they don't jive well with his own determination of guilt. Also, him calling you a child in response to a reasonable post struck me as a bit daft tbh. But not as daft as this...

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails. I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay? Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand? Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it. Moving on. . .

... what?

[Atrus]

Assange is playing on the paranoia of conspiracy theorists in order to potentially get out of potential criminal liability.

[NawidA]

Is popcorn.gif banned? Seems appropriate here.

[sangreal]

What the hell are you talking about? Are you living in a fantasy world? Before officially charging him with a crime in the Swedish system, they need to bring him in for more questioning. Until now, they have not officially charged him. How am I moving the goal posts by saying they want to question him?

You're using a technicality to argue that they want him for questioning. That technicality is that, unlike the rest of the world, being formally charged cannot occur until you show up for an interview with the police. He is not wanted for that interview, he is wanted so they can put him on trial. If you do not care about the interpretation of the UK court (which decided that for the purposes of UK law he has been officially accused of the crime) the question is moot. The only reason it was ever raised is because it relates to whether or not he can be extradited under a European warrant and the UK decision is paramount. If you only care about the intent of the Swedish, the prosecutors have answered that -- they do not want him for questioning. They intend to put him on trial.

[Eric Walton]

hey guys i have a microwave




who got the corn

[OpinionatedCyborg]

I wish this dude would disappear and give the reins over to someone who isn't a megalomaniac.

[sangreal]

I wish this dude would disappear and give the reins over to someone who isn't a megalomaniac.

That won't happen though, because of that ego

[IrrelevantNotch]

Clearly his fear is not about conviction.

No, its pretty clear he knows he's guilty. Only his paranoid supporters think otherwise.

[soundahfekz]

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails. I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay? Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand? Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it. Moving on. . .

Yeah, you're moving on alright

ho-lee shit what a meltdown

[Forever]

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails. I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay? Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand? Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it. Moving on. . .

Epic.

I really can't even tell what set him off. Dude's nuts.

[mattiewheels]

[Kusagari]

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails. I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay? Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand? Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it. Moving on. . .

This is one of the most bizarre overreactions I've seen on this forum.

[Jackpot]

This is one of the most bizarre overreactions I've seen on this forum.

I know. To one of the most non-confrontational and non-condescending posts in the thread. What about it did he hate so much? Facts?

Also his "I am NOT the nigga". Does he really mean "How dare you talk to me as if I was a [implied worthless] black man"?

[SpectreFire]

Do people honestly think the rape charges are made up and that Julian Assange wouldn't at all be capable of rape?

Because I'll tell you, after listening to some of the stuff Julian Assange has spoken before, I would not at all be surprised if he was delusional enough of his own self-importance and holier than thou status to think that he's beyong petty societal rules against rape.

[Bombadil]

Oh hell no. It is too early in the morning for me to feel like this. Spoiler tagged to protect the children, and so this thread doesn't go off the rails. I am too tired this kind of shit. And I work too damn hard for this type of bullshit. I am NOT the nigga. And I do not get talked to like that, over the Internet or otherwise. Especially not by a bitch-assed, pock-filled conspiracy theory "the boogie man is a real!" dogfucker . If you want to talk to me like that you take that shit to the private messages, okay? Otherwise, you do have other options. You either don't come at me like that at all, or you can take your stank, prick ass and that's stick you've got stuck in it and plant yourself somewhere else. If you don't, I will be happy to pull that stick out for you. And I will go nice and slow, just the way I like it. Do you understand? Now I don't have a problem with what you said, just the way you said it. Moving on. . .

[Dies Iræ]

Do people honestly think the rape charges are made up and that Julian Assange wouldn't at all be capable of rape? Because I'll tell you, after listening to some of the stuff Julian Assange has spoken before, I would not at all be surprised if he was delusional enough of his own self-importance and holier than thou status to think that he's beyong petty societal rules against rape.

We cannot presume his innocence or guilt. However, we can look at the facts related to his accusers and the context of their accusations to question their motives and the substance of their claims. A rape trial should be straightforward and low key. The behavior of his accusers, the court system, and of the British, Australian, American, and Ecuadorian governments suggest that this has nothing to do with an alleged rape.

This is a show trial meant to discredit Assange and visibly punish him for Wikileaks.

[Router]

Came to the thread for news, staying for the meltdowns.

[Margalis]

I almost feel bad for that guy. I suppose I did include some mild snark by calling his assertion quaint but his reaction to that was just bizarre. Seems like he has issues. Well, if you ever read this guy, I wasn't coming at you and there is no race angle, I was just disagreeing with what you said.

And I would re-iterate that when it comes to stuff like deportation, terrorism, etc, saying that countries cannot do certain things because laws prevent them is not a great argument given the number of ways laws have been bent or broken in the name of terrorism prevention.

[tafer]

Do people honestly think the rape charges are made up and that Julian Assange wouldn't at all be capable of rape? Because I'll tell you, after listening to some of the stuff Julian Assange has spoken before, I would not at all be surprised if he was delusional enough of his own self-importance and holier than thou status to think that he's beyong petty societal rules against rape.

Please read this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...assange-sweden

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stori...19/3549280.htm

After that, I hope you'll see why a lot of people are questioning the charges.

With that said, I believe Julian Assange has done a lot of damage to the causes he supposedly believe and the people that support him. At this point, I think he should go to Sweden and face the allegations.

[Enkidu]

And I would re-iterate that when it comes to stuff like deportation, terrorism, etc, saying that countries cannot do certain things because laws prevent them is not a great argument given the number of ways laws have been bent or broken in the name of terrorism prevention.

To be fair, this isn't so much about whether the US can bend their own rules, but more about whether they can get Sweden to bend theirs. There aren't any US laws preventing them from executing someone who was extradited to them, but Sweden cannot extradite anyone if they believe there's a risk they will be executed. Of course, that's not a guarantee of anything these days.

[Darklord]

Do people honestly think the rape charges are made up and that Julian Assange wouldn't at all be capable of rape? Because I'll tell you, after listening to some of the stuff Julian Assange has spoken before, I would not at all be surprised if he was delusional enough of his own self-importance and holier than thou status to think that he's beyong petty societal rules against rape.

It's not even rape. He just didn't use a condom. He isn't even charged with it either and has said he is happy to discuss it over the phone, webcam, set up a meeting, but they refuse. It's so obvious they just want him there to send him to the US. The UK doesn't threaten to break international law because some dude didn't use a rubber.

[Pandemic]

The British police will pounce once he steps outside.

I wonder if Assange is hiding something by not just going to Sweden to deal with the charges.

[Dresden]

The British police will pounce once he steps outside. I wonder if Assange is hiding something by not just going to Sweden to deal with the charges.

The guy just doesn't want to get nabbed by the US.

[SteveWD40]

It's not even rape. He just didn't use a condom. He isn't even charged with it either and has said he is happy to discuss it over the phone, webcam, set up a meeting, but they refuse. It's so obvious they just want him there to send him to the US. The UK doesn't threaten to break international law because some dude didn't use a rubber.

But this is my question: why don't the UK just send him to the US? We are hardly above such actions.

And yes, Assange is an egomaniac who has done more harm to the Wikileaks ideal than he knows.

[Darklord]

The British police will pounce once he steps outside. I wonder if Assange is hiding something by not just going to Sweden to deal with the charges.

But like I said he hasn't even been charged. And has said he will talk to police but they don't want to hear it, they just want him in Sweden to send to America. You really think all of this is over a guy not using a condom a few years ago? People KILL and are charged with that murder and governments give far less of a shit to bring him to that country.

But this is my question: why don't the UK just send him to the US? We are hardly above such actions

I don't know. Clearly they think Sweden is the easier opinion.

[Jason Raize '75 - '04]

Considering the unsavoury treatment Bradley Manning has been given, it's understandable why Assange feels he is/likely to be persecuted - especially as the Swedes have refused to give any assurances to the Ecuadorians that he will not be extradited to the US. If anything, you'd think that should be given in these circumstances

[Pandemic]

I haven't been following this story close enough, but why does the US want Assange?

[SteveWD40]

I haven't been following this story close enough, but why does the US want Assange?

Suspected Espionage I think? releasing govt documents and embarrassing countless US diplomats, arguably endangering lives.

Essentially he took on the most powerful people in the world (Military Industrial Complex) and is now going to pay the piper.

[Darklord]

I haven't been following this story close enough, but why does the US want Assange?

Because he embarrassed them and they want to make him pay. It's as simple as that. Just like Bradley Manning.

[OG Kush]

So what time is he doing this?

[jakershaker]

Considering the unsavoury treatment Bradley Manning has been given, it's understandable why Assange feels he is/likely to be persecuted - especially as the Swedes have refused to give any assurances to the Ecuadorians that he will not be extradited to the US. If anything, you'd think that should be given in these circumstances

Such assurances would actually be illegal to give in Sweden. Politics can't interfer with the legal system.

[SteveWD40]

I do find it funny that we (The Brits) are coming across as the "bad guys" here, when it's the Swedish / US that want the guy. We should just say "fuck it, you know where he is, go and get him yourselves".

By abiding by EU law we are being vilified...again.

[Jason Raize '75 - '04]

I do find it funny that we (The Brits) are coming across as the "bad guys" here, when it's the Swedish / US that want the guy. We should just say "fuck it, you know where he is, go and get him yourselves". By abiding by EU law we are being vilified...again.

The criticism towards the British attitude is based on their threat to storm the embassy which suggests they are more politically, than legally, motivated

[CiSTM]

Such assurances would actually be illegal to give in Sweden. Politics can't interfer with the legal system.

By Swedish law politicians actually make final decision in extradition cases. Supreme court decides if it's legal to extradite person X and they report to gov. but in the end gov. makes the decision if the person will be extradited, not the court. If Supreme court says it's illegal to extradite person X then the Gov. can't extradite person in question.

[SteveWD40]

The criticism towards the British attitude is based on their threat to storm the embassy which suggests they are more politically, than legally, motivated

Are they not obliged to though? under EU directives? I have no idea how it works but I recall reading that that's part of our agreement, to obtain criminals wanted in the EU on our soil?

And the word "storm" is dramatic is it not? I doubt very much the SAS are on the roof with flashbangs.

[Jason Raize '75 - '04]

Are they not obliged to though? under EU directives? I have no idea how it works but I recall reading that that's part of our agreement, to obtain criminals wanted in the EU on our soil? And the word "storm" is dramatic is it not? I doubt very much the SAS are on the roof with flashbangs.

The FO have said they are within their rights, the Ecuadorians - and others, from what I understand, dispute this. There is a suspicion the UK are able to that based on domestic legislation, but are not according to international law

[SteveWD40]

There is a suspicion the UK are able to that based on domestic legislation, but are not according to international law

Then I hope we revert to my suggested stance of "not our fucking problem".

[raining]

But like I said he hasn't even been charged. And has said he will talk to police but they don't want to hear it, they just want him in Sweden to send to America. You really think all of this is over a guy not using a condom a few years ago? People KILL and are charged with that murder and governments give far less of a shit to bring him to that country.

They want to charge him; they just cannot do so without questioning him first.

I don't know. Clearly they think Sweden is the easier opinion.

If he is extradited to Sweden, he cannot be further extradited without the UK's consent.

Considering the unsavoury treatment Bradley Manning has been given, it's understandable why Assange feels he is/likely to be persecuted - especially as the Swedes have refused to give any assurances to the Ecuadorians that he will not be extradited to the US. If anything, you'd think that should be given in these circumstances

As was mentioned above, it is legally impossible to make any such assurances by Sweden.

For more details: http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/16007/a/187490