[Dennis]

I'm just wondering... Did you finish the game?

No I didn't. I got to about 80% through or something like that. But I had logged many hours by then and was well satisfied with what I had gotten for my money.

[Khold]

I liked FFX and FFXII. They often get pitted against each other, though.

[Sophia]

Square should let one of Eidos' teams handle Final Fantasy. I hate to say it. Western developers have sensibilities that Japanese don't, atleast for the time being.

No, no, no, absolutely not. That could very well devalue the brand even more if it created a DmC situation.

[Aeana]

Wanna regain my trust, Squeenix? Another one of these. Make it happen. I wouldn't trust Square Enix to make it good though. :(

Many of the people who made Super Mario RPG what it was now work for Alpha Dream making the Mario & Luigi games.

Square should let one of Eidos' teams handle Final Fantasy. I hate to say it. Western developers have sensibilities that Japanese don't, atleast for the time being.

What makes you think that anyone at Eidos can design a good combat system for a Final Fantasy game?

[kuroshiki]

No I didn't. I got to about 80% through or something like that. But I had logged many hours by then and was well satisfied with what I had gotten for my money.

Oh. Now I understand why you think FF12 was the best in the series.

It is not.

[SatelliteOfLove]

Square should let one of Eidos' teams handle Final Fantasy. I hate to say it. Western developers have sensibilities that Japanese don't, atleast for the time being.

To make realistically-proportioned characters, real-time action-RPG mechanics, slow, hyper-tutorialized pacing, and loads of cutscenes and waitaminute...

[Aeana]

Oh. Now I understand why you think FF12 was the best in the series. It is not.

Okay, well, I have finished FF12 over 10 times across three different versions of the game and it's one of my favorites!

[Khold]

No, no, no, absolutely not. That could very well devalue the brand even more if it created a DmC situation.

Well it's not like we have to give Eidos FFXV, but how about an off shoot or something?

I'm ignoring convenient facts about what Eidos' studios current and future workloads are or if they would even want to make a jrpg.


I just got FFXII up and running in PCSX2 but I'm not sure I want to get sucked in again.

[kswiston]

I'm just wondering... Did you finish the game?

Other than a meandering plot for the middle portion of the game, and a somewhat weak finish, I don't know what was wrong with XII. I really enjoyed the battle system, more open world/break from extreme linearity, and the guild hunts. Voice acting was top notch at the time as well. FFXIII was a huge step back in that department.

[Sophia]

Oh. Now I understand why you think FF12 was the best in the series. It is not.

It's gameplay is top notch despite a few flaws. It really suffers in the story department near the third act, however.

Well it's not like we have to give Eidos FFXV, but how about an off shoot or something? I'm ignoring convenient facts about what Eidos' studios current and future workloads are or if they would even want to make a jrpg. I just got FFXII up and running in PCSX2 but I'm not sure I want to get sucked in again.

Too much of a risk. You better believe that the top brasses at Square Enix are examining the situation with DmC carefully. Edios has done well for them as is, and if they've got any form of competence, they'll keep them away from the Square Enix properties. Keep them doing what they're doing.

[Khold]

It's gameplay is top notch despite a few flaws. It really suffers in the story department near the third act, however.

It's literally jibberish!

[hiryu64]

Many of the people who made Super Mario RPG what it was now work for Alpha Dream making the Mario & Luigi games.

Yes, I've heard this. At some point I do intend to get around to playing them. But I'm more interested in SMRPG's universe. I loved the characters and story and would love to see it revisited.

[Vamphuntr]

Okay, well, I have finished FF12 over 10 times across three different versions of the game and it's one of my favorites!

I really like 12 too.

[Sophia]

It's literally jibberish!

No, jibberish was FFXIII-2. :P

[Gibbles17]

Seems humble enough, don't think it'll be enough to undo the garbage QA-less release of the original but my interest is certainly piqued, holding out for the ps3 version in 2013. Am I right in thinking that it's SE who have straight up said they'll never go f2p on account of the Japanese public's perception of f2p games as failures?

This is the big problem with most people who harp on how crappy 13 was - they never played it. The people who DID play through at least a large chunk don't complain about how crappy the game is.

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[kuroshiki]

Okay, well, I have finished FF12 over 10 times across three different versions of the game and it's one of my favorites!

Good for you. I'm sure you have many 'favorites', however.

[Syntsui]

Stop pretending FF is Star Wars and go back to the Medieval roots. That's how you will get my trust back.

[Aeana]

Good for you. I'm sure you have many 'favorites', however.

Is that supposed to be some sort of insult?

[kuroshiki]

Is that supposed to be some sort of insult?

No. just means you have way larger tolerance level than me. My expectation lv for FF is fairly high.

Stop pretending FF is Star Wars and go back to the Medieval roots. That's how you will get my trust back.

I don't care if FF goes totally Sci-fi. Just give me a great game.

[Sophia]

One needed a high tolerance level for FFXII? Huh, news to me.

[kswiston]

Stop pretending FF is Star Wars and go back to the Medieval roots. That's how you will get my trust back.

They did that with IX, and it ended up being the lowest selling PS1 entry (worldwide) by like 3 million units. I think it was the lowest selling modern Final Fantasy worldwide until recently. Not sure if FFXIII shipped less or not.

[QisTopTier]

Personally I think 12's battle system was rancid shit. It was good for when I had other things to do and had to leave though. I can't stand games where their is minimal involvement in my actions. Same reason I hated FFX for turning into a quick attack mash fest.

[Aeana]

No. just means you have way larger tolerance level than me. My expectation lv for FF is fairly high.

It's not an issue of tolerance, it's an issue of differences in taste and what's important in games. I personally couldn't possibly care less if FF12's story "falls apart" near the end, because the game is really fun to play.

[Razek]

I just don't get the hate for 12. I seriously just don't get it. It boggles my mind. I was disappointed for the first hour like everyone else, but then realized how much better it was than the old: 'walk 2 steps, battle, load screen, run, load screen, walk 2 steps, ....'

The story wasn't the best. So what? It was passable for most of the game, and all the FF stories are trashy. It's like the other FF games had 'good' stories or something.

It's just strange to me. I play for the gameplay, which 12 was superb at. It had loads of content and fun missions to use your party members on. The only thing I felt was lacking was an addicting mini-game.

Personally I think 12's battle system was rancid shit. It was good for when I had other things to do and had to leave though. I can't stand games where their is minimal involvement in my actions. Same reason I hated FFX for turning into a quick attack mash fest.

Compared to...?

[Coxy]

what nonsense is being spouted in this thread
"People cant have not liked 13, it sold decently!"
"People who didnt like 13 didnt play it"

People bought it, played it, didnt like it, made valid and well founded complaints that square enix themselves have accepted even if you cant.

[Khold]

One thing I love about XII is that it lets you attempt a lot of Marks well before you are reasonably strong enough to face them without a high degree of planning.

I hope after XIII-2 that anything resembling high level optional fights aren't all gonna be DLC now.

[Gibbles17]

They did that with IX, and it ended up being the lowest selling PS1 entry (worldwide) by like 3 million units. I think it was the lowest selling modern Final Fantasy worldwide until recently. Not sure if FFXIII shipped less or not.

Hate to say it, but I'm almost certain that had more to do with the general character design than anything. People wanted more Cloud/Squall, I'm ashamed to admit my pre-teen self fell into that crowd though I did still snag the game and subsequently fell in love with it like everyone else.

[ponpo]

I trust them to make a nice world and battle system, both of which they did in XIII-2. No trust lost to regain!

[Khold]

I trust them to make a nice world and battle system, both of which they did in XII-2. No trust lost to regain!

I hope that is a typo!

[QisTopTier]

Compared to...?

Every other FF besides FFX? 8 is pretty bad for being draw heavy as well.

If you want to go further I can bring in lunar/grandia/shadow hearts/Legend of Dragoon

[kuroshiki]

I just don't get the hate for 12. I seriously just don't get it. It boggles my mind. I was disappointed for the first hour like everyone else, but then realized how much better it was than the old: 'walk 2 steps, battle, load screen, run, load screen, walk 2 steps, ....'

It's exactly opposite. First hours of FF12 was BLAST. I was literally screaming OMG THIS IS BEST GAME EVER.

Imagine my surprised at the end of the game.

It's not an issue of tolerance, it's an issue of differences in taste and what's important in games. I personally couldn't possibly care less if FF12's story "falls apart" near the end, because the game is really fun to play.

It has something to do with tolerance. For me FF is epitome of JRPG. I demand near perfection. FFX and previous FF series (not really for FF8) almost always delivered that standard.

So you can overlook story and character development shortcomings in FF series. I cannot.

[ponpo]

I hope that is a typo!

I'm on my phone so it's possible, but no! Do you mean the world or battles? As far as an ATB system goes, I think XIII-2 is quite fun. Lots of options, sometimes challenging, etc.

And the world is fine. Academia on visuals alone is one ofmy favourite RPG towns.

[Terra_Ex]

"At the original launch, we let down a lot of our fans. Fans around the world were expecting something great, and we feel like we let them down and we lost their trust. To regain that trust we have to show them we're still behind the project, and that Square Enix is dedicated to making something that's great. It's kind of a crazy idea, but we've got to do it."

Can we get this guy working on the mainline single player entries please.

On that note I am far more willing to give developers like this second chances, being able to admit something you did wasn't up to par and apologising for it (within a reasonable time of said game's release) is a nice contrast against a lot of western devs recently with "oh the fans just don't get it. We're awesome!" While I have zero interest in any of the online iterations I hope this mantra finds its was across into the core series and we can see things get back on track, at best 13 was okay and while 13-2 may be a "step in the right direction" it is still a far cry from the glory days of this series and to be honest it's been on shaky ground since the ps2 era.

[QisTopTier]

It's exactly opposite. First hours of FF12 was BLAST. I was literally screaming OMG THIS IS BEST GAME EVER. Imagine my surprised at the end of the game.

I don't get it? You didn't like optional 1 billion hp bosses or are you referring to story stuff?

[duckroll]

Every other FF besides FFX? 8 is pretty bad for being draw heavy as well. If you want to go further I can bring in lunar/grandia/shadow hearts/Legend of Dragoon

Legend of Dragoon's battle system is rancid shit though. Slow and boring. Poorly implemented timing events. Did I mention slow and boring?

[Sophia]

I'm on my phone so it's possible, but no! Do you mean the world or battles? As far as an ATB system goes, I think XIII-2 is quite fun. Lots of options, sometimes challenging, etc. And the world is fine. Academia on visuals alone is one ofmy favourite RPG towns.

You missed out a numeral is what he's saying. >_>;

I don't get it? You didn't like optional 1 billion hp bosses or are you referring to story stuff?

At least those optional bosses were... well... bosses. And optional. I got sick and tired of FFXIII's random encounters taking entirely too long.

[Exentryk]

XII's battle system was fast, and the world was fun to explore. The game suffered in the story department, and characters too.

[Khold]

I'm on my phone so it's possible, but no! Do you mean the world or battles? As far as an ATB system goes, I think XIII-2 is quite fun. Lots of options, sometimes challenging, etc. And the world is fine. Academia on visuals alone is one ofmy favourite RPG towns.

I was just joshing that you put "XII-2", which could have your post interpreted as being kind to Revenant Wings, which is unacceptable!

[we.are.the.armada]

Why do we fall down, Square-Enix?

As somebody that was there for FFIV Beta and seeing the effort they are doing to turn it around, it makes me feel good. It's only a feeling though, I'm probably just a sucker for seeing a crystal tower and behemoth in the trailer.

[Exentryk]

My Favourite Battle System is that of Kingdom Hearts (esp Birth By Sleep. Haven't played KH3D). That's another reason why I feel Versus will be so awesome.

[QisTopTier]

Legend of Dragoon's battle system is rancid shit though. Slow and boring. Poorly implemented timing events. Did I mention slow and boring?

LOL it is slow, just like ff9 is slow as hell too. That's what fast forward is good for these days.

It was the just an example of a more active battle system. But yes it's the worst example

At least those optional bosses were... well... bosses. And optional. I got sick and tired of FFXIII's random encounters taking entirely too long.

o.o/ Fights shouldn't last longer than a minute in that game! Unless it's a boss.

My Favourite Battle System is that of Kingdom Hearts (esp Birth By Sleep. Haven't played KH3D). That's another reason why I feel Versus will be so awesome.

Eh, but that's going into action rpg realms, I'm not gonna jump in and say brave fencer musashi had awesome stuff in it compared to final fantasy! That's a little silly

[Haunted]

The last 10 years have seen one shining beacon in FFXII amongst a sea of FF mainline and spinoff shit.

10 years. That's a long time to go without relevant new entries.

[ponpo]

You missed out a numeral is what he's saying.

I was just joshing that you put "XII-2", which could have your post interpreted as being kind to Revenant Wings, which is unacceptable!

Oops. Fixed! Though I still think FFXII is great. I love that battle system as well.

[Razek]

Every other FF besides FFX? 8 is pretty bad for being draw heavy as well. If you want to go further I can bring in lunar/grandia/shadow hearts/Legend of Dragoon

To be fair, out of the FFs I care about, that only leaves 7, 9, and 13. I can't agree on FF9 unfortunately, it's just way too slow. FF13 was too one dimensional for 80% of the game. FF7 however, I completely agree with you. It had a lot of viable options for all the characters.

[Khold]

The last 10 years have seen one shining beacon in FFXII amongst a sea of FF mainline and spinoff shit. 10 years. That's a long time to go without relevant new entries.

I hope Type 0 isn't a lost cause for the west. Maybe a spin-off but it looks really fun.

[Chacranajxy]

Legend of Dragoon's battle system is rancid shit though. Slow and boring. Poorly implemented timing events. Did I mention slow and boring?

Even better, I don't think the regular battles even fucking mattered. You'd get like no experience. It's been years since I've played that game at all, but I seem to recall only getting level ups after fighting boss battles...

[Larson Conway]

I really like this guy.

He knows how to do sweet talk, and do PR.

[QisTopTier]

To be fair, out of the FFs I care about, that only leaves 7, 9, and 13. I can't agree on FF9 unfortunately, it's just way too slow. FF13 was too one dimensional for 80% of the game. FF7 however, I completely agree with you. It had a lot of viable options for all the characters.

Pretty much. I can only play ff9 on emulators these days. It's a shame too as it's my favorite FF.

[elohel]

Not really. Just make good games next time. MAke a good FFXV and release it in two-ish years. If it's good, you've got your fans trust back. Not exactly rocket science. Get Eidos to make it.

making a video game is so easy guys

anyone ever worked on a group project before? lol

[duckroll]

The best example of a fantastic turn based non-FF battle system with lots of interactivity and fun mechanics is imo Shadow Hearts. That series will be missed. Not even Lost Odyssey lived up to the legacy of that series. :(