[Eschaton]

What? Who's flow is he stealing? That doesn't even make sense to me, sorry. And he's doing more than talking about being a black nerd. Listen to the music man.

Wayne's at the beginning of his career, and now Drake's. I thought that was obvious by the posts in this topic on the matter. I have listened to everything up to Camp, and then a couple songs off that by chance. I'm done with that.

[Andrew54]

I can't really get into Gambino, that's just me though. Kanye's first three albums were amazing and then after that it started to decline a bit for me. Runaway is my ringtone though haha.

[IrishNinja]

Stop it slime

its like, you just stepped in a thread, takin off ya shoes and shit
bottle goes past ya head, thinkin "oh, the fam is here already"

[MCXC Pioneer]

Wayne's at the beginning of his career, and now Drake's. I thought that was obvious by the posts in this topic on the matter. I have listened to everything up to Camp, and then a couple songs off that by chance. I'm done with that.

If you listen to Sick Boi, Poindexter and I Am Just A Rapper 1/2, he doesn't flow anything like Wayne. Not one bit, that comparison blows my mind.

Culdesac is when he starts to get a little Drake-ish and Camp is influenced heavily by Drizzy, just less R&B heavy. Royalty sounds Southern.

[spindashing]

well, gaf-hop's here, I guess I'm pressing the eject button

[Eschaton]

well, gaf-hop's here, I guess I'm pressing the eject button

Stop it five.

[Macca]

Check out some ICP. I'm sure Siddx can give you some recommendations.

[SoilBreak]

Better Than Illmatic

[siddx]

Check out some ICP. I'm sure Siddx can give you some recommendations.

Get all the albums, you need to the full disco.

[MCXC Pioneer]

Finally Famous, the album, is awesome. I can listen to that whole thing without skipping a song. It took me a while to warm up to Big Sean but I'm a fan.

[Eschaton]

alternative, intellectual hip hop that avoids gang violence, money and hoes talk. I love hip hop music, but i just can't identify with that music

[IrishNinja]

does Lupe have another classic like Lasers in him?
we should make a thread

[Gorillaz]

Coincidentally the hipster girls at my college are fans of him and it's pretty obvious why. I understand the image he puts out for himself and it works. Although I don't think he's honestly that great. He puts out some good stuff once in awhile though. I think the best thing he ever did was EP. Besides that i'm not much of a fan.

Gambino has always came off as a hipster.....but a terrible one at that.

Right now, probably Kanye West. This is just my opinion.

Kanye is one of the best producers out right now..but lyrically he has become watered down compared to his older days

[Eschaton]

does any version of Lupe have a classic

naw

[enzo_gt]

CG is still trying to find himself as a person and artist, it's like he hasn't figured out his own sound. Camp, my favorite album of 2011, was very Drake-ish. His new mixtape Royalty is a complete 180 and seems to be pandering to the crowd that doesn't think he is "hood" enough.

When I say class of his own I am not calling him the best. I love CG, he is probably my favorite rapper, but he is far from the best. The guy speaks to me, I can relate to a lot of the things he talks about in his music. Just clearing things up.

What part of his music do you relate to?

Honestly Camp and the EP both embody all the boring content of Drake/Wayne and pretty much put all the criticisms of their music to a beat. That's why he suffers so bad. So I find it difficult to imagine someone finding Camp relatable, let alone the best album of 2011 when the rappers he mimics put out solid albums in the same year that transcended what they usually do (Take Care and Carter IV... well Carter IV is debatable).

Someone in GAF-Hop said this a while back but Childish Gambino stopped being tolerable when he started taking his music seriously. Before then, he could get a pass for being unoriginal, derivative, etc. I'm a hater of his music myself. I only really find 3 of his songs listenable (Bonfire, Freaks and Geeks, and the AOTL remix thing he did). He should stick to producing IMO.

Kanye is one of the best producers out right now..but lyrically he has become watered down compared to his older days

Nostalgia's a bitch, but MBDTF is by far and away Kanye's biggest lyrical achievement. Whether the quality of music is the same is a constant GAF-Hop debate, but for MBDTF he stepped up his lyrical game a LOT. Leagues ahead of TCD/LR.

[HiiiLife]

If you like Kanye then you should check out College Dropout.

I'm pretty sure you'd like Atmosphere.

[Gorillaz]

So since we are talking about him why is Gambino so meh? I'm wondering if it has to do with his personality of always trying to prove himself?

[HiiiLife]

And Food & Liquor.

And Ab-Soul. Awesome dude right there.

[zerotol]

Kanye West... Seriously? This thread never had a chance.

[MCXC Pioneer]

What part of his music do you relate to? Honestly Camp and the EP both embody all the boring content of Drake/Wayne and pretty much put all the criticisms of their music to a beat. That's why he suffers so bad. So I find it difficult to imagine someone finding Camp relatable, let alone the best album of 2011 when the rappers he mimics put out solid albums in the same year that transcended what they usually do (Take Care and Carter IV... well Carter IV is debatable). Someone in GAF-Hop said this a while back but Childish Gambino stopped being tolerable when he started taking his music seriously. Before then, he could get a pass for being unoriginal, derivative, etc. I'm a hater of his music myself. I only really find 3 of his songs listenable (Bonfire, Freaks and Geeks, and the AOTL remix thing he did). He should stick to producing IMO.

Alcoholism, suicidal thoughts, trying to fit in, self esteem issues, dealing with rejection from women, etc. Those are all themes that I can relate to. People that say he's a one trick pony coasting on the "misunderstood black nerd" label haven't listened to much of his material. CG is a much more complicated figure then that and shows a lot of complexity in his music. I truly believe this.

I don't get the Weezy comparisons. Sure, they both have some corny punchlines but so do a lot of rappers. That doesn't mean they are stealing Weezy's flow and in Gambino's case it should have been expected considering he does stand up.

Camp>Take Care in my opinion because A) It's just Childish being himself. No features or filler. Just raw emotion. B) There's less of a focus on R&B which I am not a big fan of with Drake. C) I can relate to the stuff CG talks about, not Drake. For the most part.

[chaostrophy]

[MCXC Pioneer]

So since we are talking about him why is Gambino so meh? I'm wondering if it has to do with his personality of always trying to prove himself?

I'm a huge fan, saw him in concert at Ohio State this year and it was probably the best live performance I have ever been too.

From what I've gathered, those that don't like his music say it is because of:

- Too many corny punchlines
- He can't find a style of his own and stick to it

If I'm missing things, feel free to chime in

[Eschaton]

Kanye West... Seriously? This thread never had a chance.

This is what the thread was destined to be. When you say alternative hip hop.... It basically means hip hop that is digestible for white people. Less curse words, no n word, less offensive shit, quirky production styles... And that attracts the j. cole/lupe/kanye/BOB/Cudi types in droves.

OP should cop these doe:

[Isendrix]

This is what the thread was destined to be. When you say alternative hip hop.... It basically means hip hop that is digestible for white people. Less curse words, no n word, less offensive shit, quirky production styles... And that attracts the j. cole/lupe/kanye/BOB/Cudi types in droves.

You're absolutely right, however, once you do get pulled in to rap you'll start to listen and appreciate the lyrics of harder tracks. Personally, I fucking hate the more money more hoes cash money flow style of hip hop.
Hardcore gangsta rap just feels so deprecating to listen to and just brings me back to a time and place that I don't like and reminds me of how much I dislike the neighborhood I'm in. I like other types of Hip-Hop but what it emanates; the defacto Hip-Hop culture that sounds like it lacks any sort of respectable mien and what boils down to what is effectively dick waving with yelling. Chris Rock makes a pretty good point on the crud of some modern rap:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8O4tKc-2E
I might add more later.
Edit: GAF-Hop crashed the shit outta this thread! lol

[enzo_gt]

Alcoholism, suicidal thoughts, trying to fit in, self esteem issues, dealing with rejection from women, etc. Those are all themes that I can relate to. People that say he's a one trick pony coasting on the "misunderstood black nerd" label haven't listened to much of his material. CG is a much more complicated figure then that and shows a lot of complexity in his music. I truly believe this. I don't get the Weezy comparisons. Sure, they both have some corny punchlines but so do a lot of rappers. That doesn't mean they are stealing Weezy's flow and in Gambino's case it should have been expected considering he does stand up. Camp>Take Care in my opinion because A) It's just Childish being himself. No features or filler. Just raw emotion. B) There's less of a focus on R&B which I am not a big fan of with Drake. C) I can relate to the stuff CG talks about, not Drake. For the most part.

You really think he does any of these themes justice in the sense that they make his music complex? From what I've heard, he starts on some conscious tip only to go off the deep end with his biting flow and nonsensical rhymes much like Weezy does. He has a hard time sticking to a theme or anything, it make his music muddy because it feels like he wants to say something but can't complete the rhyme so he falls back and takes his verses elsewhere. It also makes it hard to take seriously, nowhere close to the level I'd label complex.

You must not be very familiar with Weezy's library if you don't understand the comparisons. His rhyming style and structure, the kinds of punch lines, shit even the content to some degree is what Weezy has popularized even before Carter III (after which he blew up) and has resonated in many rappers styles ever since, including Drake's. This all over the past decade. Combine that with the hashtag flow that Drake popularized and that hes a big Kanye fan, you have the composite that is Gambino. And I don't know how that should be expected and somehow given the pass because he does stand up, isn't that kind of acknowledging influence there?

Also you can have raw emotion (none of which I see in Gambinos music, I find his songs particularly muddy when it comes to themes, as mentioned above) with features, that's a pretty fallacious premise. But the rest of the reasons seem more preference-oriented so yeah I'll respect that.

[siddx]

There is no reason to only listen to and enjoy one kind of rap. There are dozens of different sub genres and most have a least some quality in them, even ballaballagarbage

[IrishNinja]

I tongue kiss her other tongue
skeet skeet skeet: water gun

[enzo_gt]

I tongue kiss her other tongue skeet skeet skeet: water gun

This post made me laugh so hard.

oh god it's late

[XANDER CAGE]

the coup is pretty good

guys

o-or soul position

[Rocwell]

I'm not really into the Gold Chainz, Smokin' Weed and Slappin' Hoes type of popular hip hop.

Ugly Duckling


Pharcyde


People Under the Stairs


Foreign Legion

[MCXC Pioneer]

You really think he does any of these themes justice in the sense that they make his music complex? From what I've heard, he starts on some conscious tip only to go off the deep end with his biting flow and nonsensical rhymes much like Weezy does. He has a hard time sticking to a theme or anything, it make his music muddy because it feels like he wants to say something but can't complete the rhyme so he falls back and takes his verses elsewhere. It also makes it hard to take seriously, nowhere close to the level I'd label complex. You must not be very familiar with Weezy's library if you don't understand the comparisons. His rhyming style and structure, the kinds of punch lines, shit even the content to some degree is what Weezy has popularized even before Carter III (after which he blew up) and has resonated in many rappers styles ever since, including Drake's. This all over the past decade. Combine that with the hashtag flow that Drake popularized and that hes a big Kanye fan, you have the composite that is Gambino. And I don't know how that should be expected and somehow given the pass because he does stand up, isn't that kind of acknowledging influence there? Also you can have raw emotion (none of which I see in Gambinos music, I find his songs particularly muddy when it comes to themes, as mentioned above) with features, that's a pretty fallacious premise. But the rest of the reasons seem more preference-oriented so yeah I'll respect that.

Yes, I do think he does those themes justice. I'm not going to sit here and break down the way he structures his verses or anything like that. When I said he was complex I was seeking to dispel the notion that he is a one-trick rapper. Those themes I listed are prevalent in his music and to me, show us a side of Donald Glover that can only be expressed through his music. The man seems like an individual with many different layers and insecurities which are expressed through music. It's just a much more "human" for lack of a better word, type of hip-hop. CG oozes emotion and angst but also has his goofy side. I can relate to this.

I haven't heard much of Weezy prior to Tha Carter I. Still though, I don't agree with the comparison outside of the punchlines thing. The jokes shouldn't surprise people, he is a successful comedian. That's all I'm saying there.

What exactly is "hashtag" flow? Sorry but I am not familiar with that term.

I don't see how you can deny the emotion Gambino puts into his songs. That literally makes no sense to me. Have you actually sat down and listened to his stuff? Look up The Last, Fuck it All, Hold You Down, Be Alone, Outside...I could go on all day.

[Vice]

Lil B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxE5CwnmLCI

[PhoenixPause]

Gambino is in a class of his own, there aren't many artist out there like him right now. Give Chiddy Bang and big Sean a try, they are the closest I can think of.

[HiiiLife]

Lil B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxE5CwnmLCI

#TASKFORCEISHERE
#Hashtag

[IrishNinja]

I could go on all day.

but should you doe



food for thought

[MCXC Pioneer]

Try, ya know, actually reading the thread. I explained that statement.

I don't get why some people post gifs instead of actually doing some sort of discussion. Seems counter productive.

[SoilBreak]

What exactly is "hashtag" flow? Sorry but I am not familiar with that term.

Rap lines which drop the usage of "like" and "as", and instead substituting those words with a pregnant pause (which is sometimes dispensed with), thus truncating what is normally a simile or metaphor into a sort of short setup followed by a (hopefully) funny punchline. Examples: Lil Wayne: "But ya'll cant see me.......Ray Charles" Rick Ross: "We doin' it big, it's goin' down...9/11." Big Sean: 'Til I am the king of my castle....Koopa

http://www.metafilter.com/98912/Hashtag-rap-a-summary

[HiiiLife]

but should you doe food for thought

Lol. GAF be killin' me with these gifs. Lemme step my game up doe.

[Glorified G]

This is what the thread was destined to be.When you say alternative hip hop.... It basically means hip hop that is digestible for white people. Less curse words, no n word, less offensive shit, quirky production styles... And that attracts the j. cole/lupe/kanye/BOB/Cudi types in droves.

That may have been alternative hip hop 8 years ago. But you just described mainstream hip hop today.

[MCXC Pioneer]

http://www.metafilter.com/98912/Hashtag-rap-a-summary

Thank you for the explanation.

I don't see a lot of that with CG. Sure, it's there, but not an excessive or even noticeable amount.

[HiiiLife]

No love for Kreayshawn.








K.

[metalslimer]

Did I fucking just see Kanye mentioned in here....

[HiiiLife]

Did I fucking just see Kanye mentioned in here....

But I liked College Dropout.

[Glass Rebel]

Everything begins and ends with MF DOOM. Check out Madvillainy. It's the best hip-hop album. Real talk.

[IrishNinja]

HiiiLife on them basic b*tches, so i dont even bother

Everything begins and ends with MF DOOM. Check out Madvillainy. It's the best hip-hop album. Real talk.

you might take heat for this, but we both know it's a tight album

[Vice]

Can-I-Bus, just don't read about anything about him other than his music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHyQWzQ5JSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SehFKIVXWis

MF Doom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpaonSDPw7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZByHn...eature=related

The Based God
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylzZabCt8Dk

Did I fucking just see Kanye mentioned in here....

He's a better rapper than Childish Gambino. Producer too.

[IrishNinja]

He's a better rapper than Childish Gambino. Producer too.

no one would reasonably argue otherwise...but seeing him in an alternative hip-hop thread is like

i dont even know

its like calling COD an indie game i guess

[HiiiLife]

HiiiLife on them basic b*tches, so i dont even bother you might take heat for this, but we both know it's a tight album

Lol I was honestly hoping OP would be like "oh word? I'll check thy artist out"

Why would y'all get flak over MF DOOM? Hes niiicceeeee.

[Vice]

no one would reasonably argue otherwise...but seeing him in an alternative hip-hop thread is like i dont even know its like calling COD an indie game i guess

Their subject matter is nearly identical though. Kanye just hasn't fully become a Twitter-rapper yet.

[MCXC Pioneer]

no one would reasonably argue otherwise...but seeing him in an alternative hip-hop thread is like i dont even know its like calling COD an indie game i guess

I don't know if you are referring to me, but when I said Kanye is the best rapper out today I wasn't saying he is the best in the alt genre. Kanye is obviously mainstream, I thought I was being asked a general question.