[SquiddyCracker]

So tell me guys, was my troll better than this ACTUAL defense by a legitimate right winger? https://twitter.com/dloesch

What the heck are the "occupy rapes"?

BREAKING: Roman Polanski fans and OWS rape apologists up in faux arms over Akin rape & pregnancy comment.

Lol.

[Veezy]

What the heck are the "occupy rapes"?

Occupy Wall Street had some incidents of sexual assault and rape. I don't know if anybody was convicted or not, but most of the links I could find come from late 2011.

[JCX]

What the heck are the "occupy rapes"?

I assume he means rapes at Occupy protests.

[Mr_Zombie]

I've been thinking, GAF. Abortion isn't legal because life is so holy that under no circumstance can it be killed, right? Human life, that is. What gives courtrooms the right to sentence someone to death, but not women power over their own body even to the measly extent of aborting a rape-child?

The answer you would probably get is that the criminal did something so horrible that he "deserves" to be killed, while the unborn kid is innocent and shouldn't be punished for someone else's (rapist) actions. At least I remember our catechist used that argument (about kid, not about the death sentence) when she was discussing anti-abortion issues with us in school.

[SquiddyCracker]

I assume he means rapes at Occupy protests.

Ah.
So she's comparing actual rapists toh a republican senate nominee?

Whoah.

[Natetan]

What is illegitimate rape?

"she wanted it"

[Like the hat?]

holy fucking shit

[Trickster]

It's scary how dumb some of the politicians in the worlds most powerful country are.

[789shadow]

This thread makes me want to see a more adult-oriented Captain Planet reboot focusing on social/political issues in the United States. The problem with Captain Planet was that the villains were often evil just for the sake of it. This reboot wouldn't have a problem with finding suitable cartoonishly evil villains based off real life politicians.

Especially because the modern day Republican party is literally full of actual Captain Planet villains.

[CornBurrito]

"she wanted it"

If she didn't want to be raped she would have rerouted her vagina and had the man ejaculate his sperm into a false pocket. Similar to a female duck.

Especially because the modern day Republican party is literally full of actual Captain Planet villains.

Exactly. A Captain Planet reboot today would be amazing.

[Veezy]

Ah. So she's comparing actual rapists with a republican senate nominee? Whoah.

She's merely in disbelief that liberals, such as myself, are concerned that a man who's a member of the Science Committee in Congress and is up fro reelection believes that the female body some how can give itself a period when raped. However, there's not an equal amount of outrage, a year later when nobody was reporting crimes to the police due to the nature of the protest, over cases of sexual assault and possible rape in New York Occupy protestor camp.

She'd have a point, if they were even in the same fucking ball park in terms of national consequence. Oh, wait, people were pissed about the OWS shit and feminists and the MSM were all over that shit. So, actually, she doesn't have a point at all.

BTW, she does guest spots on Glenn Beck TV. There's some nightmare fuel for ya.

[GhaleonEB]

It's scary how dumb some of the politicians in the worlds most powerful country are.

The politicians are sadly reflecting the intelligence level of their electorate.

[speculawyer]

What makes it worse is that this guy almost certainly doesn't believe the shit he says. No one on the verge of national office is that dumb. No, what makes this awful is that he's saying it only to appeal to a sizable amount of people who actually believe this shit.

Sadly, I believe you are wrong on this. I'm sure there is a lot of pandering but I also think they really believe a lot of this crazy. You'd have to believe it or else you could not justify the crazy policy.

[Aaron Strife]

You libs outraged over Republican politicians trying to redefine rape! You should focus your attention on actual rapists! (Who if Republicans had their way would not actually be considered rapists)

[TacticalFox88]

The politicians are sadly reflecting the intelligence level of their electorate.

There is absolutely no better subject than exposing the ignorance and stupidity of a person or persons than politics and anything remotely related to it.

[sphagnum]

The answer you would probably get is that the criminal did something so horrible that he "deserves" to be killed, while the unborn kid is innocent and shouldn't be punished for someone else's (rapist) actions. At least I remember our catechist used that argument (about kid, not about the death sentence) when she was discussing anti-abortion issues with us in school.

This is exactly the thought process (as someone who grew up in a socially conservative household, I can say that this is a very rampant opinion). A murderer or rapist has committed a grave sin that forfeits their right to life for the protection of the community, but the child (life starts at conception!) has done nothing wrong and should not be killed. The woman has a burden to bear, but it's for the greater good.

A lot of liberals tend to automatically think that conservatives want to enact these laws because they hate women and want to control them. That may be an underlying cause, but it's one that conservatives themselves don't often realize. The sort of reasoning outlined above is what is first and foremost in their thoughts, but it may be underpinned by thoughts of "she shouldn't have been dressing like that anyway...for her own good!" that they don't realize are actually part of a desire to regulate women's sexual lives.

[Wazzim]

Oh wow, the stupidity keeps getting worse. These guys are insane.

[PhoenixPause]

What is illegitimate rape?

According to some GAFers, I'm guessing it's sex with a minor

[Oblivion]

She's merely in disbelief that liberals, such as myself, are concerned that a man who's a member of the Science Committee in Congress and is up fro reelection believes that the female body some how can give itself a period when raped. However, there's not an equal amount of outrage, a year later when nobody was reporting crimes to the police due to the nature of the protest, over cases of sexual assault and possible rape in New York Occupy protestor camp. She'd have a point, if they were even in the same fucking ball park in terms of national consequence. Oh, wait, people were pissed about the OWS shit and feminists and the MSM were all over that shit. So, actually, she doesn't have a point at all. BTW, she does guest spots on Glenn Beck TV. There's some nightmare fuel for ya.

What's really telling is that her main outrage (and that of her Breitbartian brothers) isn't about the rapes themselves, but that they occurred within a movement that represents the left.

I swear, this was the ONLY time I've ever seen any right winger complain about the evils of rape.

[MasterOfPastures]

[Reuenthal]

This argument comes short, because this isn't about potential, it's about religion. And one part of society can say that life is so holy that we can never abort anyone, then another can't sentence another to death for something they did. The potential of an embryo is infinitely evil and infinitely good. The thing a convicted felon has done is always finite, and their next part of life is again infinitely good and evil at the same time

There are people who believe that fetus is a life with a soul but life is not so holy that you can't kill serious criminals. As far as religion goes Christianity is pro killing people in several circumstances but there is a command against murder. So it is less of a belief that all life is holy at least to all of them, some might be caught in a contradiction in this or be completly against death penalty, and more a belief that the life of a fetus is superior to the life of a violent criminal. That's it. I am not going to continue arguing nor is my attention to argue about this but to explain this. Either accept this or not.

I disagree of course with their view about the life of fetus being holy or souls.

[Aaron Strife]

Nate Silver:

Is it possible to win a Senate race with 0% of the women's vote? Asking for a friend.

[Devolution]

Nate Silver:

Some women will for this guy. How do you explain his wife or conservative women?

[Fusebox]

And people wonder why GAF leans left...

[CornBurrito]

Nate Silver:

She's naive if she believes he'd get 0% of the female vote. It is surprisingly easy to get people to vote against their own interests.

[Aaron Strife]

Some women will for this guy. How do you explain his wife or conservative women?

Oh there will be women voting for him, but a statement like that's a bridge too far for most of them, I'm sure.

I don't know what the actual numbers are but there are many conservative women who are still pro-choice to some degree because of personal experience or whatever, particularly in elected office (both Maine senators, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Lisa Murkowski).

The women voting for Akin will be the truthers who wanted Michele Bachmann to be president. Speaking of which there's a "Stand With Michele" banner on the bottom of my screen glkaelerjlewlkj this FUCKING person.

[Seguin]

Nate Silver:

Many conservative women will appreciate the knowledge they're gaining from him

[Veezy]

Some women will for this guy. How do you explain his wife or conservative women?

Indeed.

There are women who believe that domestic violence, so long as it's only a little bit of hitting, is okay. Same with the complete abolition of abortion, the reduction of funding to all violence shelters, the ending of the State paying for rape kits, making birth control illegal, etc. etc.

Reality doesn't shape a huge chunk of people's politics. Politics shapes their reality.

[nhlducks35]

[animlboogy]

She's merely in disbelief that liberals, such as myself, are concerned that a man who's a member of the Science Committee in Congress and is up fro reelection believes that the female body some how can give itself a period when raped. However, there's not an equal amount of outrage, a year later when nobody was reporting crimes to the police due to the nature of the protest, over cases of sexual assault and possible rape in New York Occupy protestor camp. She'd have a point, if they were even in the same fucking ball park in terms of national consequence. Oh, wait, people were pissed about the OWS shit and feminists and the MSM were all over that shit. So, actually, she doesn't have a point at all. BTW, she does guest spots on Glenn Beck TV. There's some nightmare fuel for ya.

This is such a fucking problem with discourse right now. I constantly deal with hearing people spout off about how "liberals don't care about this," or "liberals never did anything about this,", and it's Iike these people just have no fucking clue what liberals/the left are, or do, or just even the slightest awareness. Man, feminists were ALL THE FUCK OVER the occupy rape situation, hell, my Facebook feed, to put forth anecdotal evidence, was FILLED with outrage over that. Yet it keeps getting repeated that "the left" tried to bury that, or didn't care. What a crock of stinking bullshit, and they do this over and over and over.

[Mr_Zombie]

This argument comes short, because this isn't about potential, it's about religion.

Is it? I don't think anyone who supports death sentence can seriously call herself/himself a religious one. Even Catholic Church is against it (unless it's against witches and heretics). What with the "thou shall not kill" and all that? Of course it's funny, because usually it's conservatives, the ones who appeal to religion so much, who support death sentence.

[ivysaur12]

She's naive if she believes he'd get 0% of the female vote. It is surprisingly easy to get people to vote against their own interests.

Nate is a he. He's also (half) kidding.

[Aaron Strife]

This is such a fucking problem with discourse right now. I constantly deal with hearing people spout off about how "liberals don't care about this," or "liberals never did anything about this,", and it's Iike these people just have no fucking clue what liberals/the left are, or do, or just even the slightest awareness. Man, feminists were ALL THE FUCK OVER the occupy rape situation, hell, my Facebook feed, to put forth anecdotal evidence, was FILLED with outrage over that. Yet it keeps getting repeated that "the left" tried to bury that, or didn't care. What a crock of stinking bullshit, and they do this over and over and over.

It applies to everything.

On day 1 of Obama's presidency there were Republicans already calling for his impeachment because he didn't magically fix the economy.

[Jackpot]

Seriously? Did you just.. Seriously?...

No, he's right that it's an inconsistency in the thinking of those who postulate that life begins at conception.

[spindashing]

I was wondering why #LegitimateRape was trending on twitter. How ridiculous...

[Bo]

Sadly, I believe you are wrong on this. I'm sure there is a lot of pandering but I also think they really believe a lot of this crazy. You'd have to believe it or else you could not justify the crazy policy.

I agree. Any opportunistic panderer with half of a functioning head would see this for what it is: Policy presupposed on notions that would be unforgivably inept and backwards even in the so-called Dark Ages, and that this kind of policy is ultimately political poison. Still, that he even has a serious political career at this point is horrific enough.

[CornBurrito]

This is such a fucking problem with discourse right now. I constantly deal with hearing people spout off about how "liberals don't care about this," or "liberals never did anything about this,", and it's Iike these people just have no fucking clue what liberals/the left are, or do, or just even the slightest awareness. Man, feminists were ALL THE FUCK OVER the occupy rape situation, hell, my Facebook feed, to put forth anecdotal evidence, was FILLED with outrage over that. Yet it keeps getting repeated that "the left" tried to bury that, or didn't care. What a crock of stinking bullshit, and they do this over and over and over.

Even if liberals had done nothing, what exactly is their point? It is like a child trying to get out of punishment by tattling on their sibling and saying that the sibling should have been punished too for something they did weeks before.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But apparently they cancel each other out. :(

[animlboogy]

It applies to everything. On day 1 of Obama's presidency there were Republicans already calling for his impeachment because he didn't magically fix the economy.

A little more shaky Facebook science on this subject: my feed is STILL filled with angry republican family members whining about how the liberals just won't let go of the Chic fil a thing.

Meanwhile the last post from my (much larger) base of friends who were involved with Occupy and similar movements on the subject was about two weeks ago, stating that "we need to move on to bigger, more pressing things, I think transphobia is the most important target right now with all the assaults lately."

So what is the left? Does it even exist, or is it a fiction strung together by tiny kernels of truth in a mostly unrelated narrative?

Even if liberals had done nothing, what exactly is their point? It is like a child trying to get out of punishment by tattling on their sibling and saying that the sibling should have been punished too for something they did weeks before. Two wrongs don't make a right. But apparently they cancel each other out. :(

I talked about this very thing in the GAF liberal bias thread today. You're right, it's just another example of schoolyard logic, which is so often identified with the American right that it's a big part of what I think turns off many intellectuals to conservatism who might agree with certain conservative platforms. But even without the exact "but DADDY, they said THIS before we said THAT!" angle, this false narrative of what the left does and doesn't do is another major issue. How does one confront that on a broader scale?

[DevelopmentArrested]

Hes religious
Of course hes going to say something incredibly bigoted and ignorant

Half of America is not far off from Saudi Arabia

[Aaron Strife]

A little more shaky Facebook science on this subject: my feed is STILL filled with angry republican family members whining about how the liberals just won't let go of the Chic fil a thing. Meanwhile the last post from my (much larger) base of friends who were involved with Occupy and similar movements on the subject was about two weeks ago, stating that "we need to move on to bigger, more pressing things, I think transphobia is the most important target right now with all the assaults lately." So what is the left? Does it even exist, or is it a fiction strung together by tiny kernels of truth in a mostly unrelated narrative?

The left is anything that's not blatantly partisan Republican.

John Roberts: "I don't think Obamacare is unconstitutional so we should keep it"

Conservatives: "COMMIE SWINE"

[Oblivion]

Even if liberals had done nothing, what exactly is their point? It is like a child trying to get out of punishment by tattling on their sibling and saying that the sibling should have been punished too for something they did weeks before. Two wrongs don't make a right. But apparently they cancel each other out. :(

Like I said, it's not about the actual act itself, but being able to score a few points by slamming the other team.

Again, I literally cannot think of a single other instance where a right winger was outraged about rape that didn't have something to do with the rapist being associate with the left.

[Kayo-kun]

With all these threads popping up with republicans making the most idiotic statements, I can't believe that someone was wondering why Gaf was leaning left in politics a few days ago and made a thread out of it.

[CrushDance]

You know what the most messed up thing about this is? It's the ofteen seen women/minorities defending these viewpoints as part of the Republican party. Like how much brainwashing is necessary for a person to fight against their own self interest? I guess that's why the indoctrination starts at an early age.

Edit: Beaten like the Republicans from now til forever.

[captmcblack]

Thank goodness for the human body's anti-rape enzymes, right?

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[Devolution]

You know what the most messed up thing about this is? It's the ofteen seen women/minorities defending these viewpoints as part of the Republican party. Like how much brainwashing is necessary for a person to fight against their own self interest? I guess that's why the indoctrination starts at an early age.

They just surround themselves with like minded people and demonize anyone who isn't in agreement with them.

[marrec]

Just in case any republicans out there are confused, Legitimate Rape is not an effective form of Birth Control.

[animlboogy]

You know what the most messed up thing about this is? It's the ofteen seen women/minorities defending these viewpoints as part of the Republican party. Like how much brainwashing is necessary for a person to fight against their own self interest? I guess that's why the indoctrination starts at an early age.

That's exactly why republicans have swung so hard to the insane side socially. It's the best way to get bigoted people to vote against their own interests.

Democrats don't even have to pretend to be lefties anymore. They just copy/paste what the republicans were up to, because anything seems reasonable in comparison. They can be basically as authoritarian and conservative as they want, because at least they don't make a habit of shitting directly in minorities' and the middle class voters' mouths.

[Charoncaori]

Oh fuck you, what a fucking loser.

I can't even. Words.

[Oblivion]

Akin released a statement:

St. Louis - Congressman Todd Akin just released the following statement regarding his interview on the "Jaco Report" broadcast this morning in St. Louis: "As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve. "I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election. "But I also believe that this election is about a wide-range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren. We've had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs. That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats' failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead."

[Phaethon0017]

Some women will for this guy. How do you explain his wife or conservative women?

Believe me, I've been around enough conservative women to know that they blame the rape victim 99% of the time. They have a laundry list of reasons as to why someone is blamed for rape. Main reasoning is "I haven't been raped, hence everyone who has is a slut or was in an immoral situation".