[ChiTownBuffalo]

I don't think Vichy France was the same as Japanese occupation.

[speculawyer]

Anti-semitic misogynists!

[Tacitus_]

Niiiice, defending racism.

What, you haven't heard of that happening before? Some towns in the Baltic countries were considering banning Brits since they're such horrible drinkers and would always leave a mess.

[CharlieDigital]

I don't think Vichy France was the same as Japanese occupation.

This. Anyone that reads up on the history of the Sino-Japanese Wars and World Wars will be simply disgusted by the actions of the Japanese during that period.

[ElectricBlue187]

Since the "Dokdo sign" incident last week I have heard 20-something Koreans and Japanese talk shit about the other country in private company (as a white guy confidant caught between these two worlds, I should probably write a book about the strange position this puts me in :P You have no idea). But the character of this feels more like rivalry along the lines of sports competition, smartphone OS, console warz..... it's not so much "racism". Nationalism like crazy tho....

I don't really see a difference. You are still being hated and discriminated against for being what you are

[Draxal]

Chi,

My mom's pastor just came back from Korea and was preaching about not buying Japanese stuff ... yet my uncle pretty much runs the Nissan dealer close by. I was kinda bemused by the situation.

[skybaby]

This happens in Europe, only there are no signs...

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Chi, My mom's pastor just came back from Korea and was preaching about not buying Japanese stuff ... yet my uncle pretty much runs the Nissan dealer close by. I was kinda bemused by the situation.

Korean pastors are...Korean pastors. That's all I can say about them. They raise a reactionary suspicion in me.

Dude, why isn't your uncle selling Hyundais? Cheng-pi. Ha.

[Carlisle]

Wow, I lived in Japan for a year and a half and never once saw a no gaijin sign. Or if I did then they failed for not putting it in English.

[Draxal]

Korean pastors are...Korean pastors. That's all I can say about them. They raise a reactionary suspicion in me. Dude, why isn't your uncle selling Hyundais? Cheng-pi. Ha.

I really don't interact with them that much, I think I went last to a Korean church when I was six. My paternal grandmother was a hardcore Irish Catholic so I had to go Catholic preachings(CCD) on Monday, and to her Presbytarian preachings on Sunday(didn't help that I couldn't speak Korean). Man, now that I typed this up, I finally realize why I'm terrified of going to churches.

[RedNumberFive]

Wow, I lived in Japan for a year and a half and never once saw a no gaijin sign. Or if I did then they failed for not putting it in English.

They were on nearly every single bar and restaurant last time I was in Shinjuku. You couldn't miss them.

[brumx]

The Chinese are treated like blacks are here to Japan. They are pretty much dirt to the Japanese eyes but almost everyone else is. You can probably count all the non japs in japan with one hand lol.

[Steelrain]

They were on nearly every single bar and restaurant last time I was in Shinjuku. You couldn't miss them.

Well, not every single area but yeah...speaking as someone who spends a lot of time drinking in Shinjuku, it is definitely the least foreigner-friendly place. Especially if you try to drink in Kabukicho (which I do).

[flippymittens]

Not that it makes it right or anything, but Japan's pretty famous for this sort of thing as well.

This, would it be wrong to say that South Korea is merely being reactionary to the racism against Koreans in Japan?

[King Mystery]

"White pig go home!"?

[Izick]

Racism! It's not just for America anymore!

[Steelrain]

This, would it be wrong to say that South Korea is merely being reactionary to the racism against Koreans in Japan?

Nah this shit has been going on for aaaaaaaaaaaaages both ways

[Dark Knyght]

How would they know the difference?
joking of course, I'm aware that all asians don't look alike. Lol.

[yn-neko hates a cat]

It's funny how this thread has become more about Japan because we know so little of Korea. In many ways, they're even more insular than Japan.... that much I know... not much more though.

[i-Lo]

Sometimes I wish the world would be hit by some sort of great purge. It's the fucking 21st century. In the times of our grandparents it was the war against fascism, in our parent's time it was removal of segregation. What legacy will we leave for our future generations this time?

Generally I don't condone violence but I wish there was an international death squad that'd strike fear into racists, prejudiced and bigoted fucks.

[ccbfan]

Until Japan actually apologize for their atrocities and actually acknowledge they were monsters during that time. The East Asian countries will continue to hate they.

Most people don't know this but Japan's actions were no better than the Germans.

Imagine if the Germans as in the government itself and the majority of its people completely deny the holocaust happen and repeatedly lie in their history books.

Well that's basically Japan.

[CharlieDigital]

Sometimes I wish the world would be hit by some sort of great purge. It's the fucking 21st century. In the times of our grandparents it was the war against fascism, in our parent's time it was removal of segregation. What legacy will we leave for our future generations this time? Generally I don't condone violence but I wish there was an international death squad that'd strike fear into racists, prejudiced and bigoted fucks.

This is supposed to be a joke post, right?

[Garou]

I remember several years back they banned Japanese people from golf courses. Whelp, those two countries are just never, ever going to get along. Damnit...misspelled. Link to Japanese site reporting.

Um, the last line actually says that "If you want to enter anyway you have to shout "Tokushima belongs to Korea" three times".

[bangladesh]

What the hell lol

[numble]

Um, the last line actually says that "If you want to enter anyway you have to shout "Tokushima belongs to Korea" three times".

lol

So what do people think, is it okay to discriminate against people over beliefs as to sovereignty over a couple of rocks?

[Steelrain]

This is supposed to be a joke post, right?

I hope so. Probably not though.

[i-Lo]

This is supposed to be a joke post, right?

Think Death Note :)

And why is wishing people who spread misery be punished a joke concept? Personally, I feel death is too easy. I'd just lock'em up and throw the keys away.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

It's funny how this thread has become more about Japan because we know so little of Korea. In many ways, they're even more insular than Japan.... that much I know... not much more though.

We are an inscrutable peoples.

[Steelrain]

Think Death Note :) And why is wishing people who spread misery be punished a joke concept? Personally, I feel death is too easy. I'd just lock'em up and throw the keys away.

Wishing people who spread misery be punished does not equal "International death squad to strike fear into them by execution"

[richiek]

It's old, I know, but here's some children's drawings showing how they feel about Japan:

http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550

[Carlisle]

They were on nearly every single bar and restaurant last time I was in Shinjuku. You couldn't miss them.

I only made it out to Shinjuku a couple times, but I still don't recall signs. Then again I wasn't really looking out for them and probably just ate at McDonalds while there since I was between jobs at the time.

The rest of the time I lived in Nagoya, still a big city, and definitely didn't see any there. Not doubting you of course, my mind is just blown. I kinda want to go back and keep an eye out for signs like that this time.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

lol So what do people think, is it okay to discriminate against people over beliefs as to sovereignty over a couple of rocks?

ROK rocks are serious business.

[Hesemonni]

Hypersensitive GAF at it again I see.

[sphinx]

while there is a history of BIG hate between Korea and Japan, I can confirm that people are kind to foreigners in bigger cities in Korea. In the hotel I stayed for a week there, they even had japanese and chinese speaking workers to talk to tourists.

and If I were to guess, all those "Only Japanese" signs are more related to the owners only speaking japanese and not being able to give you proper service because of the language barrier.. anyone thinking of nationalism or racism is reading way too much into it.

[Steelrain]

while there is a history of BIG hate between Korea and Japan, I can confirm that people are kind to foreigners in bigger cities in Korea. In the hotel I stayed for a week there, they even had japanese and chinese speaking workers to talk to tourists. and If I were to guess, all those "Only Japanese" signs are more related to the owners only speaking japanese and not being able to give you proper service because of the language barrier.. anyone thinking of nationalism or racism is reading way too much into it.

Nah I can speak enough Japanese to get around and have been denied entry into some of these "Japanese Only" places. It's not widespread but it has happened and I have seen them enough for it to leave a negative impression.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

and If I were to guess, all those "Only Japanese" signs are more related to the owners only speaking japanese and not being able to give you proper service because of the language barrier.. anyone thinking of nationalism or racism is reading way too much into it.

This is the cutest thing ever.

[i-Lo]

Wishing people who spread misery be punished does not equal "International death squad to strike fear into them by execution"

Actually after death, one stops feeling everything. Thus, there are far worse things than death.

In the age of internet the social awareness has gone up but the level apathy of the people in spite of it remain broadly unchanged.

Seeing shit like this in the alleged civilized parts of the world makes my blood boil. And the worst part is, this message of hate, racism, prejudice and bigotry is passed down from parents to children.

It's old, I know, but here's some children's drawings showing how they feel about Japan:

At least Korea didn't get "Perfect K.O"

[sphinx]

Nah I can speak enough Japanese to get around and have been denied entry into some of these "Japanese Only" places. It's not widespread but it has happened and I have seen them enough for it to leave a negative impression.

This is the cutest thing ever.

according to your first hand impressions (at least steelrain) what would be the reason for that if not the language barrier??

if I were you, a foreigner with decent japanese knowledge to hold a conversation, I'd definitely ask... " I speak japanese, is it o.k if I am here or is there other reason?? "...

[Quadrangulum]

These isolated incidents alone don't weigh heavily on my mind but the conflict on the whole really strains my ability to be levelheaded. I want nothing to do with this and I feel no antipathy whatsoever for the other "side" but I get inevitably entangled thanks solely to my name. What a terrible situation.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

according to your first hand impressions (at least steelrain) what would be the reason for that if not the language barrier?? if I were you, a foreigner with decent japanese knowledge to hold a conversation, I'd definitely ask... " I speak japanese, is it o.k if I am here or is there other reason?? "...

Korean people yell at you if you speak English on the subway, well, this is mostly true after a certain hour. And whenever I've seen Japanese tourists in Seoul, there is awlays someone who talks some shit to a companion. Hopefully it isn't a drunk older Korean man, because he's had enough booze to not give a fuck.

And yes, Korean establishments will kick you out for speaking Japanese.

Goes both ways, I was in Japan and I was wearing a ROK soccer jersey and I was refused service at a bar. So I just went back to my hotel and changed shirts, no biggie. But the dumbshit I was, i changed into a ROK army tshirt. So back one more time.

Part of it, I knew was coming, I have Korean themed tattoos, I just figured that wa sa double taboo.

[Steelrain]

according to your first hand impressions (at least steelrain) what would be the reason for that if not the language barrier?? if I were you, a foreigner with decent japanese knowledge to hold a conversation, I'd definitely ask... " I speak japanese, is it o.k if I am here or is there other reason?? "...

I typically don't want to spend my time talking with assholes when I go out drinking and they know I can speak enough Japanese since I usually try to ask why i'm not allowed in in Japanese. The response is "Japanese Only'. This has happened when I'm with my girlfriend (who is full Japanese) and by myself. The shit happens.

Like I said earlier, it doesn't happen everywhere but , as someone who prefers dive bars to big meat fests, it has happened enough to where it has discouraged me from going to smaller bars that I don't know. My neighborhood has two places with these signs. It really doesn't matter if the owner doesn't know English either since ordering beer is probably one of the easiest things to do in Japan.

[Byakuya769]

Ugh, split the resources and make beautiful babies.

[Kinyou]

So do the Japanese not like all those K-pop groups? Always thought that they were the perfect audience for those.

[Steelrain]

So do the Japanese not like all those K-pop groups? Always thought that they were the perfect audience for those.

They are hugely popular in Japan.

[(._.)]

kpop fighting!

[teruterubozu]

They are hugely popular in Japan.

And the older generation is baffled by this phenomenon.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

And the older generation is baffled by this phenomenon.

Its one way though for the most part isn't it?

I don't remember seeing too many Japanese stars being as huge in Korea, especially after the 1998 ban on Japanese good, cultural and otherwise being lifted.

[teruterubozu]

Its one way though for the most part isn't it? I don't remember seeing too many Japanese stars being as huge in Korea, especially after the 1998 ban on Japanese good, cultural and otherwise being lifted.

Yeah, it's pretty much one way. Although some Korean actors are becoming popular with older generation Japanese as well. Also I would say that it is largely the female Japanese population enamored with Korean male celebs (manlier image, perhaps?), and not so much Japanese men into Korean female celebs.

[Kinyou]

They are hugely popular in Japan.

Oh, so Japanese like Koreans but Koreans not Japanese? Or does it just show that it's a rather small percentage who acts so racist?

It's old, I know, but here's some children's drawings showing how they feel about Japan: http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550

Wow, pretty creative.



almost makes me doubt that a child drew this

[Vulcano's assistant]

They're not relying on stereotypes. They're relying on experience with the only foreigners they've ever met. Unfortunately the only foreigners some of those places may ever encounter are drunk russian sailors, US army/navy personnel, etc

I'm not judging whether this is good or bad, but that's pretty much the textbook definition of stereotypes.