[Y2Kev]

It would take like 300 hrs to beat sotn if you progressed as slowly as it looks here.

[Zornica]

[...] But then again I also never really considered any of the Metroidvanias to be "like Castlevania" either as I grew up with and started out with the originals, the "real" ones-- stage based, no RPG elements, platforming, unforgivable difficulty, etc. I can't really use any of those to describe any of the Metroidvanias.

sounds like you haven't played order of ecclesia...

I wish they'd have followed the path layed down by that game. I really liked the direction it was heading.

And also I really hope capcom will get their shit together with this one, if not I'll buy judgement instead! at least that got an awesome soundtrack and quick fighting, not that "epic", bland movie-like score bullshit.

[B.O.O.M]

lol wonder how long the game actually is if the time it takes to take down an enemy was brought back down to acceptable levels.

Hopefully the delay will result in some positive changes

[Cow Mengde]

They're delaying the game so they can completely scrap this and start over from scratch right? RIGHT!?

[Shion]

Ugh, where is my new Castleoid?

[THE NO LIFE KING]

Holy crap, I seriously do not like taking more than one minute to killing an enemy.

[2+2=5]

It doesn't look that bad imo

Looks pretty bad. Typical Euro-style action beat-em-up where enemies take like 1000 hits, the attacks seem like they have no impact

So is exactly like symphony of the night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sLiQ9s7G4E
just one example

Which are the Euro-style action beat-em-up?

[Cow Mengde]

It doesn't look that bad imo So is exactly like symphony of the night(just one example) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sLiQ9s7G4E Which are the Euro-style action beat-em-up?

That's a boss!

[brandonh83]

sounds like you haven't played order of ecclesia...

It has some rough spots but compared to say Castlevania III it's chicken shit in terms of difficulty.

[MNC]

WHY DOES HE NEED TO HIT A SKELETON 4 TIMES

[Cow Mengde]

It has some rough spots but compared to say Castlevania III it's chicken shit in terms of difficulty.

I agree people overrate the difficulty of OOE. Though the game's still not bad. The boss fights are the highlights of this game.

[LuuKyK]

Wow, it really looks boring and uninspired. The enormous amount of hits to kill the enemy really is something... my god. Also framerate. :|

[Downhome]

I think it visually looks fine, but it's ridiculous how many hits it takes to kill enemies. Is it possible this is still a very early version of the game and it's just a test, or that it's very early in the game and powerups have yet to be acquired that drastically cuts down on the number of hits needed to kill anything? If it's the latter I hope those powerups are like, right at the start of the game or close to it.

If this is the game, as it will be when it is released, then I'm out and my newegg preorder will be canceled.

[B.O.O.M]

WHY DOES HE NEED TO HIT A SKELETON 4 TIMES

lots of calcium?

[Rush2thestart]

Looks good to me. *shrug*

[GrumpyAlien]

lots of calcium?

I laughed.

[2+2=5]

That's a boss!

DOH!
I misread, only now i realized that he was talking about enemies and not bosses! LOL

[brandonh83]

I agree people overrate the difficulty of OOE. Though the game's still not bad. The boss fights are the highlights of this game.

I'm not saying Ecclesia is a breeze, just... well, I shamefully cannot beat Castlevania 1 or 3 to save my life, but got through Ecclesia in a couple of days.

[duckroll]

DOH! I misread, only now i realized that he was talking about enemies and not bosses! LOL

You'll also notice that in the SotN video you linked, there's very clear impact feedback, and you can definitely see and "feel" damage taking place when you get hit or when you hit an enemy. In MoF the whip just flies all over the screen and it feels like you're chipping enemies with no real feedback at all. Kinda lame. :(

[Cow Mengde]

I'm not saying Ecclesia is a breeze, just... well, I shamefully cannot beat Castlevania 1 or 3 to save my life, but got through Ecclesia in a couple of days.

Same deal with me as well.

[JJConrad]

There needs to be more minor enemies that are quicker to kill. And, as much as I hate the flying Medusa heads, there needs to be something to pester the player to stay alert and keep the platforming/exploration interesting.

Relatively minor tweaks, other than that I liked what I saw.

[Mudkips]

Holy shit that looks terribly generic and terribly terrible.

[Boney]

Even a 15 year old can see why having a whip that crosses the whole screen that does no damage while the enemies just stare at you for 10 minutes is a bad idea.

It's embarrasing really.

Although, from what I saw, the dude was only using weak attacks and not using strong attacks that are the X button correct?

[AlucardGV]

( 　ﾟ,_ゝﾟ)
this looks really bad and boring.

[2+2=5]

You'll also notice that in the SotN video you linked, there's very clear impact feedback, and you can definitely see and "feel" damage taking place when you get hit or when you hit an enemy. In MoF the whip just flies all over the screen and it feels like you're chipping enemies with no real feedback at all. Kinda lame. :(

In the video i don't see the boss suffering for the attacks...

[rozay]

You'll also notice that in the SotN video you linked, there's very clear impact feedback, and you can definitely see and "feel" damage taking place when you get hit or when you hit an enemy. In MoF the whip just flies all over the screen and it feels like you're chipping enemies with no real feedback at all. Kinda lame. :(

This is probably one of the biggest issues with putting the LoS combat system in a side scroller with a decently close up camera. Trevor's whip literally can stretch across the entire screen.

I really hope this is the same as the E3 build.

[Zoramon089]

Yes, it's an incredibly widespread problem that they simply refused to fix, lots of people complaining about it. Not even the XL fixes the marks left by the slidepad.. No

Haha, some people need to stop gaming with greasy fingers. I just checked my 3DS and have no marks

[chertipros]

Looked fine to me

[Boney]

In the video i don't see the boss suffering for the attacks...

It's the sound effects mostly.

[Seik]

Ugh...

:(

Feels bad to see Castlevania being treated like this.

[duckroll]

In the video i don't see the boss suffering for the attacks...

It's the sound effects mostly.

You can't see the entire sprite changing color when it gets hit? That's what feedback is.

[.la1n]

It looks...alright. I would have still preferred another IGA entry tbh. Won't base anything on just 12 minutes though, need to see a lot more to make a more informed judgment.

[wrowa]

In the video i don't see the boss suffering for the attacks...

When playing the game, I didn't know whether or not I actually damaged the boss you see at the beginning of the demo. It died when I pressed R (you can grab struggling enemies with R or something, not sure anymore) and I'm still not sure if he didn't die before because you need to "finish" him with that attack or if he's just a guy with much staying power.

[Wonko_C]

DOH! I misread, only now i realized that he was talking about enemies and not bosses! LOL

Besides that, the guy playing in that video... how do I put it? he's doing it wrong. That boss takes me 2 minutes tops using normal equipment and level at that point in the game. Also I can sword slash twice as fast (it depends on the sword equipped, though.)

[Kenka]

I am here Day 1. I am so much of a CastleVania sucker that I even appreciated the Mandragore quest in CastleVania 64. And that's pretty telling.

[To Far Away Times]

Looks like it needs some work

[Wonko_C]

In the 18 games that came out between SoTN and the DS ones.

The other games that came out before SoTN were 2D also.

[Boney]

You can't see the entire sprite changing color when it gets hit? That's what feedback is.

Can't you understand that I value a good sfx when hitting enemies that SotN has and this does not?

That's feedback too!

[duckroll]

Can't you understand that I value a good sfx when hitting enemies that SotN has and this does not? That's feedback too!

I don't disagree with the sound fx, I'm just adding to it. MoF has like... none at all, while it's really obvious in good platformers.

[Wonko_C]

Not only visual+sfx feedback, gimme hit-pause and screen shake too for complete. combat. satisfaction.

[quetz67]

You'll also notice that in the SotN video you linked, there's very clear impact feedback, and you can definitely see and "feel" damage taking place when you get hit or when you hit an enemy. In MoF the whip just flies all over the screen and it feels like you're chipping enemies with no real feedback at all. Kinda lame. :(

2:50 + 6:53 + Last boss fight. Feedback depends on weapon. And standard whip looks perfectly in proportion to player size.

So OMG they changed overall dimensions and # of hits needed to kill an enemy. Heretics!!!

[2+2=5]

It's the sound effects mostly.

I'm with no audio at the moment lol(but i remember the sound).

You can't see the entire sprite changing color when it gets hit? That's what feedback is.

In mof enemies partially turn red, the effect is not as evident as an entire red sprite but it's present.

[Nocturnowl]

I really want to like this game but the enduring enemies look very problematic in a boring way.
But it's too soon to condemn the game quite yet.

[Glix]

WHY CAN'T THIS BE AN IGA GAME WITH PARALLAX 2d GRAPHICS????

WHY!!!!

[Spieler Eins]

WHY CAN'T THIS BE AN IGA GAME WITH PARALLAX 2d GRAPHICS???? WHY!!!!

Seriously. Keep your Westernvania on consoles, why also torture 3DS owners that were looking forward to IGA?

[Starsunder]

It doesn't look that bad imo So is exactly like symphony of the night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sLiQ9s7G4E just one example Which are the Euro-style action beat-em-up?

What kind of shit example is this? That's an optional boss, notorious for his shitload of HP. Fail.


And the game looks weak. Doesn't feel like the classicvanias or the metroidvanias. 250 hits to off a skeleton is zzzz....and the music is again lackluster, a crime in CV. Not impressed or excited, which kills me since Castlevania is one of my favorite franchises.

Konami, give the franchise to someone else for the love of god!

[Boney]

So yeah, went on to read impressions and the X button is the heavy attack while Y is the weak attack, and I guess the previewer forgot to use those. Because sub weapons had good weight attached to them.

I'm still not fond of separating the attack in 2 different strengths for a side scroller, because the weak attack feels completely redundant, but I'd love to see a better preview.

I don't disagree with the sound fx, I'm just adding to it. MoF has like... none at all, while it's really obvious in good platformers.

Ok sure. Just felt the line "That's what feedback is" isn't exactly an agreement on your part.

[Omegasquash]

Not as optimistic as I once was, but...I'm a series loyalist. Will wait for general consensus after release and then decide.

[Space A Cobra]

Jeez. I like the look of the game but having all the enemies take so much damage kills it. I hope that aspect is totally redone come release.

[Naked Prime]

Glad I preordered Code of Princess instead of this. Maybe I'll grab it once it hits $15