[Rookje]

9.5 but snubbed on this list.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/...hannel-orange/

[mescalineeyes]

Ok? I'm not sure I understand this post.

Well people are claiming they saw a shitty band and a good band.

I saw someone amazing do something really shitty... and I am still bitter about it so I can't shut up about it because I've been looking forward to it forever so I bring it up every time it is even remotely topical.

[Jooney]

9.5 but snubbed on this list. http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/...hannel-orange/

I don't think recent releases qualified ..? Not 100% on that.

EDIT: Should add that the record is fucking amazing!

[Patrick Bateman]

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[Kusagari]

Kayne consists of 9 (including WTT) and Jay of 3 (including WTT), I think Kanye makes up more than half of the list.

Kanye only has 6 albums, counting WTT. What else are you including in there? Albums he helped produce like the Blueprint?

This list is heavily biased anyway since the only stuff listed right away was Pitchfork's editors favorites. I had to manually put in half my albums.

I'm sure most people didn't bother with that.

[Jitters]

People tend to take disagreement with their musical taste really personally. Recipe for internets disaster.

I know. Music is the only thing that seems to get that way though. Why is that? It doesn't seems to happen near as much with movies. Or at least not that I've seen. So many post in here disregard the list because their favorite band isn't on it. It happens with damn near every music list. Words like "hipster" just get thrown around to describe why someone likes or doesn't like something. Its awful. Which sucks because I like to talk about music.

[ciaossu]

Out of the top 10 I love 8 of them, haven't heard the Animal Collective or Sufjan Stevens albums, guess I should check them out.

[jiji]

That's like a to-do list of albums to troll in /mu/

[DominoKid]

aaaaahhhhh yeezy yeezy how you do it haahnh?

also radiohead isnt THAT good. jeez.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Kanye only has 6 albums, counting WTT. What else are you including in there? Albums he helped produce like the Blueprint? .

No you're right. I accidentally put down the number that comes up in search which includes his name in three other places.

This list is heavily biased anyway since the only stuff listed right away was Pitchfork's editors favorites. I had to manually put in half my albums. I'm sure most people didn't bother with that.

Yeah unless you can get a bunch of people to help troll the list.

[marrec]

OH MY GOD

I just noticed Fiona Apple is nowhere to be found on this list either.

I think I may just have to say that this list does not represent my musical tastes...

*shakes head*

[Nugg]

Out of the top 10 I love 8 of them, haven't heard the Animal Collective or Sufjan Stevens albums, guess I should check them out.

Yeah, you really should, they're both amazing.

[elkayes]

Kanye only has 6 albums, counting WTT. What else are you including in there? Albums he helped produce like the Blueprint? This list is heavily biased anyway since the only stuff listed right away was Pitchfork's editors favorites. I had to manually put in half my albums. I'm sure most people didn't bother with that.

Considering P4ks audience, it wouldn´t have made much of a difference..

[derder]

pitchfork has forums?

We need to coordinate a forum raid!

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Words like "hipster" just get thrown around to describe why someone likes or doesn't like something. Its awful. Which sucks because I like to talk about music.

No, in this case the list accurately reflects the term to a large degree. Knowledge of rap and hip hop too.

[Eidan]

9.5 but snubbed on this list. http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/...hannel-orange/

List clearly says 1996-2011.

[Cyan]

Well people are claiming they saw a shitty band and a good band. I saw someone amazing do something really shitty... and I am still bitter about it so I can't shut up about it because I've been looking forward to it forever so I bring it up every time it is even remotely topical.

Got it!

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

OH MY GOD I just noticed Fiona Apple is nowhere to be found on this list either. I think I may just have to say that this list does not represent my musical tastes... *shakes head*

May not like her music much, but the music video for Criminal....god damn it was good.

[marrec]

No, in this case the list accurately reflects the term to a large degree. Knowledge of rap and hip hop too.

The fact that Kanye is their token hip-hop album for the top 10 is kinda damning.

[gnarlyxcharlie]

No Deloused in the Comatorium? Should've figured, Pitchfork shits on everything Mars Volta. I do feel it's pretty ridiculous not to include it in the top 200 albums of the past 15 years or whatever

[elkayes]

I really don´t get animal collective. It´s just weird noise over semi-original music. Come at me?

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

The fact that Kanye is their token hip-hop album for the top 10 is kinda damning.

Yeah, I mean considering the time frame on the the list goes back to 1996, it's pretty awful.

[ciaossu]

OH MY GOD I just noticed Fiona Apple is nowhere to be found on this list either. I think I may just have to say that this list does not represent my musical tastes... *shakes head*

Eh, I love Fiona too, but there are obviously gonna be plenty of good albums not on the list.

There is a lot of good stuff on the list you should check out if you have never listened to it.

[K.Sabot]

A lot of people seem to forget that this is the reader's choice list.

[Tunin]

What do you like that's so much better?

You misread my post. I said Radiohead is horrendous, not X band is better than Radiohead.

[Revolver]

Kanye has had nice things to say about Radiohead in the past, so that might give him some cred with P4K readers. I don't hate this list but I've just never been able to get into NMH, Animal Collective or Wilco. I'm not saying they're bad or anything but their appeal just eludes me. Different strokes.

[K.Sabot]

No, in this case the list accurately reflects the term to a large degree. Knowledge of rap and hip hop too.

Honestly, having Madvillainy in top 10 would have been more hipster than having MBDTF.

MBDTF is just flat out pleb, and riding the curtails of hype.

[Randdalf]

This is so amusingly biased towards the Pitchfork demographics, then again that's exactly what you'd expect. I keep on forgetting that this list only covers the last 15 years also, so I'm like "WHERE'S PARKLIFE" then I realise it came out 18 years ago.

edit: I've never even heard of Sufjan Stevens before

[marrec]

Eh, I love Fiona too, but there are obviously gonna be plenty of good albums not on the list. There is a lot of good stuff on the list you should check out if you have never listened to it.

I was more trying to mock the faux outrage that some people seem to be expressing about an omission, I tried to make that clear with my 'Musical tastes don't match' thing, but eh.

I've listened to quite a bit of the list and I can say that the top 10 is pretty lackluster since it includes two too many Radiohead CDs.

[Yaboosh]

Kanye has had nice things to say about Radiohead in the past, so that might give him some cred with P4K readers. I don't hate this list but I've just never been able to get into NMH, Animal Collective or Wilco. I'm not saying they're bad or anything but their appeal just eludes me. Different strokes.

NMH is my favorite band, and I love Wilco, but I don't understand the love for Radiohead.

Different strokes indeed.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Honestly, having Madvillainy in top 10 would have been more hipster than having MBDTF. MBDTF is just flat out pleb, and riding the curtails of hype.

I meant that knowledge of rap and hip hop is limited to mostly Kanye, Jay Z, and Outkast.

[Griegite]

In Rainbows was the first album of Radiohead I attained. Before that I didn't really care for what I heard of them but I enjoyed In Rainbows. It seems I may need to find OK Computer next.

[Jitters]

No, in this case the list accurately reflects the term to a large degree. Knowledge of rap and hip hop too.

I was talking about music discussion in general. Though I do think it is extremely imprudent to label a lot of these albums mere "hipster" music. There is a lot of great music on that list that shouldn't be demeaned by what its fan base is. Like I said earlier, P4K isn't really a hip-hop heavy site, so no more hip-hop than Kanye shouldn't really surprise anyone.

[IamMikeside]

Awesome list. Love it.

[GremlinFool]

People forget about the inherent bias laden with this list. Pitchfork exclusively listed their BNM choices over that span of time. To enter non-BNM album choices would require conscious thought over expedience. If I made the list, I probably would have forgotten a slew of albums that Pitchfork neglected to rate highly and would have had little motivation to add them in manually.

Obviously the list is terrible for the most part, but much of that is a direct consequence of the structure and layout of the voting process.

[marrec]

I was talking about music discussion in general. Though I do think it is extremely imprudent to label a lot of these albums mere "hipster" music. There is a lot of great music on that list that shouldn't be demeaned by what its fan base is. Like I said earlier, P4K isn't really a hip-hop heavy site, so no more hip-hop than Kanye shouldn't really surprise anyone.

It's part of the 'Hipster' stereotype though isn't it? If you ask a self-professed group of 'hipsters' to rate Hip-Hop albums from the last 15 years they'll undoubtedly up Kanye at the top. Regardless of the actual quality of the music, some of it is very much associated with the stereotype.

[Wendel Clark]

surprised these nerds dont have lupe fiasco on the list

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I was talking about music discussion in general. Though I do think it is extremely imprudent to label a lot of these albums mere "hipster" music. There is a lot of great music on that list that shouldn't be demeaned by what its fan base is. Like I said earlier, P4K isn't really a hip-hop heavy site, so no more hip-hop than Kanye shouldn't really surprise anyone.

Yeah, but Biggie and Wu Tang isn't exactly pluming the depths of rap.

It's part of the 'Hipster' stereotype though isn't it? If you ask a self-professed group of 'hipsters' to rate Hip-Hop albums from the last 15 years they'll undoubtedly up Kanye at the top. Regardless of the actual quality of the music, some of it is very much associated with the stereotype.

That's more my point.

[Divvy]

It's part of the 'Hipster' stereotype though isn't it? If you ask a self-professed group of 'hipsters' to rate Hip-Hop albums from the last 15 years they'll undoubtedly up Kanye at the top. Regardless of the actual quality of the music, some of it is very much associated with the stereotype.

You could say that about like anyone who doesn't really listen to hip-hop.

[hipgnosis]

Kid A should be number 1.

[Kusagari]

Considering P4ks audience, it wouldn´t have made much of a difference..

It would have at least kept Drake out of the list. He only made it because Take Care was somehow one of their favorites last year.

[Jitters]

It's part of the 'Hipster' stereotype though isn't it? If you ask a self-professed group of 'hipsters' to rate Hip-Hop albums from the last 15 years they'll undoubtedly up Kanye at the top. Regardless of the actual quality of the music, some of it is very much associated with the stereotype.

Oh, is it? I never heard that stereotype.

[marrec]

You could say that about like anyone who doesn't really listen to hip-hop.

True, again though that's not the stereotype.

Oh, is it? I never heard that stereotype.

It's not at all accurate, or at least... I don't know anyone who would ADMIT to putting Kanye #1.

[Jitters]

Yeah, but Biggie and Wu Tang isn't exactly pluming the depths of rap. That's more my point.

Okay. Misunderstanding.

[Zilch]

People forget about the inherent bias laden with this list. Pitchfork exclusively listed their BNM choices over that span of time. To enter non-BNM album choices would require conscious thought over expedience. If I made the list, I probably would have forgotten a slew of albums that Pitchfork neglected to rate highly and would have had little motivation to add them in manually. Obviously the list is terrible for the most part, but much of that is a direct consequence of the structure and layout of the voting process.

This is definitely a big part of it, and something I noticed when I was voting as well.

The social aspect made it so that you could see your friends' lists and add those albums to your list. When you have 100s (if not thousands) of albums to sift through from the last decade and a half most people are probably going to take the path of least resistance and go with whatever someone else's list reminded them of. So the power of suggestion, from either Pitchfork or other voters, had a big influence on this list. Oh well, it probably would have been mostly Radiohead and Arcade Fire anyhow.

[Schweini]

LOL.

Just to cement Radiohead as the most overrated band ever. (as if it was even needed)

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Okay. Misunderstanding.

No problem.

You could say that about like anyone who doesn't really listen to hip-hop.

Except there a lot more names that are just as easily recognizable.

[MThanded]

wut

[Divvy]

Except there a lot more names that are just as easily recognizable.

Well, he's probably the most popular right now. Hell I can't even name five current rappers other than Kanye off the top of my head.

Wait am I a hipster?

I don't like Radiohead very much though.

[marrec]

Well, he's probably the most popular right now. Hell I can't even name five current rappers other than Kanye off the top of my head. Wait am I a hipster? I don't like Radiohead very much though.

Look in the mirror.

Are you currently holding a PBR?

If no, then you're okay.

If yes... well.

You know what to do.