[Ixzion]

I did a search but I didn't see a topic. But this is a rather important one:

Brandon Raub has not been charged with a crime, but he is being detained against his will in a mental institution for practicing free speech. The following video explains more:

Ben Swann's Reality Check:
http://youtu.be/wMo6BrDbDQE

The government is actively looking at people's Facebook and picking them up? Where's the media fury over this?


Update 8/23/12: He's going to be released!

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2...he-ar-2151347/

A judge today ordered the release of a Marine Corps veteran being detained as a psychiatric patient after concerns over his Facebook postings. After an hourlong hearing, Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett said an involuntary commitment petition issued against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to holding him. "The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," said the release order signed by the judge and sought by lawyers Anthony F. Troy and Brian D. Fowler.

More at the link.

[AlteredBeast]

I did a search but I didn't see a topic. But this is a rather important one: Brandon Raub has not been charged with a crime, but he is being detained against his will in a mental institution for practicing free speech. The following video explains more: Ben Swann's Reality Check: http://youtu.be/wMo6BrDbDQE The government is actively looking at people's Facebook and picking them up? Where's the media fury over this?

#inobama'samerica

[FroJay]

Seriously? What the hell is going on?

[jaxword]

The government is actively looking at people's Facebook and picking them up? Where's the media fury over this?

You may want to do a little more research before calling for a media rampage.

He was reported by a FB friend who saw his stuff. It wasn't like the government is browsing your FBs (though there's nothing preventing that from happening, really) and going through your hilarious meme posting.

However, the person on his list reported it to the authorities, they sent the cops, and he went for a psychiatric evaluation afterwards. Likely because he apparently assaulted a cop and they wanted to get him back.

Yes, it's a very creepy and dangerous precedent, but this sort of thing happens all the time--go ahead and test it yourself. Post something on neogaf, right now, that threatens certain political officials. You will be investigated eventually.

Don't say stupid and threatening things in public, you're obviously being watched.

[vas_a_morir]

Man, Facebook is some scary shit. (Also, US government from time to time)

I could see how his comments seemed a bit menacing. Sounds like he's about to go on a shooting spree. With the media attention given to the shooters out there, I could see why they pounced.

[daycru]

You may want to do a little more research before calling for a media rampage. He was reported by a FB friend who saw his stuff. In turn, said person reported it to the authorities, they sent the cops, and he went for a psychiatric evaluation afterwards. Likely because he apparently assaulted a cop and they wanted to get him back. Yes, it's a very creepy and dangerous precedent, but this sort of thing happens all the time--go ahead and test it yourself. Post something on neogaf, right now, that threatens certain political officials. You will be investigated eventually. Don't say stupid and threatening things in public.

Who did he threaten?

[squidyj]

When you call it just a Facebook post you're doing it a disservice

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text...republic-back/

"They want to put computer chips in you."

[vas_a_morir]

I mean, am I wrong thinking that it sounds like he's about to go on a shooting rampage from some of those posts? He sounds batshit insane, goddam.

[beastmode]

he does appear to be calling for what could be violence, which is the one type of speech not protected

[jaxword]

Who did he threaten?

The Government?

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...acebook-posts/

“Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

You don't say things like that in a rant about how you hate the government.

I mean, am I wrong thinking that it sounds like he's about to go on a shooting rampage from some of those posts? He sounds batshit insane, goddam.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm 100% behind freedom of speech and expression. It's the one thing that we can't lose.

But seriously, the guy sounds insane and a danger to himself and others.

In other words: You have freedom of speech and expression, but you also have to face the consequences of what you say. And if you threaten violent revolution, be ready for the people in power to come down upon you hard.

[Megalodactyl]

I think he's honestly just not right in the head.

He sounds like classic paranoid crazy/delusions of grandeur.

It's old news that Facebook is being watched.

This is the first time I've heard of them pro-actively moving on someone. Given that he's a vet, and that he did make threats, combined with the propensity of people to copy cat murder sprees, and we've had a number of those lately, I'd say that's the rational for this guy getting locked up. Do I agree with this? Hell no. But I do think the guy needs help.

[vas_a_morir]

he does appear to be calling for what could be violence, which is the one type of speech not protected

He also says stuff like "The Time of Reckoning is almost at hand." Imagine the feux media outrage that would ensue if he went on a shooting after posting stuff like this? They'd say stuff like "Why didn't authorities step in?" So, I see why this happened. And quite frankly, I was going to defend him, until the reporter started reading his FB posts.

[Veezy]

"This is the part where I tell the generals who are recruiting young men 'I'm coming for you'"

"If you're unaware of the amount of evil the US government does take your head out of the sand, the day of reckoning is at hand"

Some 9/11 conspiracy stuff including accusing the leads of the inside job, being government officials in this man's mind, of raping children.

"Your government is evil and the cavalry is coming"

So, yeah. PTSD, depression, etc. Something is very wrong. Not sure how I feel about taking him to a mental hospital, but that type of writing seems to be threatening.

EDIT: The fucking dude in the video is defending threatening violence against people as a right. Disgusting.

[FroJay]

The Government? http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...acebook-posts/ “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.” You don't say things like that in a rant about how you hate the government.

So quoting song lyrics is something that can get you put in a mental hospital? It was certainly in poor taste, but scary either way.

[jaxword]

So quoting song lyrics is something that can get you put in a mental hospital? It was certainly in poor taste, but scary either way.

Pretty obvious you did not read the entirety of his rantings.

[FroJay]

Pretty obvious you did not read the entirety of his rantings.

Actually, I read them all. Freedom of speech is still freedom of speech, well not anymore I guess.

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

I mean, am I wrong thinking that it sounds like he's about to go on a shooting rampage from some of those posts? He sounds batshit insane, goddam.

Not at all.

[daycru]

The Government? http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...acebook-posts/ “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.” You don't say things like that in a rant about how you hate the government. Yeah, exactly. I'm 100% behind freedom of speech and expression. It's the one thing that we can't lose. But seriously, the guy sounds insane and a danger to himself and others. In other words: You have freedom of speech and expression, but you also have to face the consequences of what you say. And if you threaten violent revolution, be ready for the people in power to come down upon you hard.

For some reason I doubt the SarahPac will be receiving a visit from the secret police. http://boingboing.net/2011/01/08/con...an-gabrie.html

[jaxword]

Actually, I read them all.

How do you feel about his rantings about the government putting computer chips inside us to control us all?

[FroJay]

How do you feel about his rantings about the government putting computer chips inside us to control us all?

He is entitled to say whatever he wants, just as we all are. Doesn't mean I agree with him, but setting the wheels in motion for things like this is beyond dangerous.

[Bombadil]

Each time he claims the government is trying to control our lives through taxation, I cringe because he sounds an awful lot like those people who would vote to give more power to corporations who would love nothing more than to charge us a fee to open our refrigerators or turn on our lights.

You guys should read Ubik by Philip K. Dick. Great book.

[Router]

Guy seems pretty crazy.

[MasterOfPastures]

Good. The guy is clearly unhinged. Read what the guy posted.

[jaxword]

For some reason I doubt the SarahPac will be receiving a visit from the secret police. http://boingboing.net/2011/01/08/con...an-gabrie.html

Your point being...that there's different standards depending on who you are and what connections you have? That a goony internet lunatic making violent rants is going to be treated differently than a powerful politician?

Alert the press, the world has doublestandards.

Come on, that's a weak point and I'm not sure who you think is going to defend it.

[Veezy]

Actually, I read them all. Freedom of speech is still freedom of speech, well not anymore I guess.

Let's try an experiment.

"FroJay is evil. I believe he has a castle where he rapes and sacrifices children. You much know the truth. Soon I will be the one to come for him. The day of reckoning is at hand."

That, is a threat. That alone would be enough for you to press charges against me.

Now, let's assume I've served two terms in Afghanistan.

And I live by myself in a trailer.

And I've had strings of similar messages.

Again, I'm really uncomfortable with him not being charged with anything and being held and I wish they would come out, to the mother at least, and explain their fears, but surely you can see how the local feds would have an issue with this considering the issues with PTSD?

[jaxword]

He is entitled to say whatever he wants, just as we all are. Doesn't mean I agree with him, but setting the wheels in motion for things like this is beyond dangerous.

Wheels in motion for what? We've NEVER had the freedom to make violent threats against government or government officials. Not yesterday, not before facebook, not ever.

I don't like the fact we're being watched unnecessarily but it's ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. No point being Chicken Little after the sky already fell.

[daycru]

Anyway, they probably would have charged him with something had he committed a crime. Or maybe it's just easier to abduct him from his home and bypass all that silly process stuff. That was pretty much the whole point of the NDAA, right?

[East Lake]

Yeah this guy really does need mental help, and probably a long break from visiting prisonplanet.com. Don't know if there's a better way to go about it though.

[vas_a_morir]

Wait until they find the Bush's secret child-rape castle. Then who'll laugh at whom!

[daycru]

Wheels in motion for what? We've NEVER had the freedom to make violent threats against government or government officials. Not yesterday, not 10 years ago, not ever.

You said it was okay as long as you were powerful.

[gabbo]

Jingoistic nonsense and calls to violent revolt against the government.
I can see why authorities may have taken an interest in him.

[Veezy]

Wheels in motion for what? We've NEVER had the freedom to make violent threats against government or government officials. Not yesterday, not before facebook, not ever. I don't like the fact we're being watched unnecessarily but it's ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. No point being Chicken Little after the sky already fell.

You know, I'm not entirely sure that people were watching him, per se.

If I saw a facebook post of anybody typing shit like that over and over again and making threats and they lived near me, I'd probably let somebody know. Who's to say a similar thing didn't happen to him. I seriously don't believe they have a "facebook division" at the FBI.

[jaxword]

You said it was okay as long as you were powerful.

I said no such thing.

You are lying.

Or you are deliberately being obtuse to the point of trolling.

[daycru]

I said no such thing. You are lying. Or you are deliberately being obtuse to the point of trolling.

Your point being...that there's different standards depending on who you are and what connections you have? That a goony internet lunatic making violent rants is going to be treated differently than a powerful politician? Alert the press, the world has doublestandards. Come on, that's a weak point and I'm not sure who you think is going to defend it.

.

[jaxword]

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Yes, and where did I say I was "okay" with this, as you put it?

I gave no endorsement or encouragement of the status quo.

Congratulations, you're either a liar or a troll.

[daycru]

Yes, and where did I say I was "okay" with this, as you put it? I gave no endorsement of the status quo. Congratulations, you're either a liar or a troll.

A flippant hand wave is as good as an endorsement. Enjoy your police state.

[squidyj]

Don't you guys understand? he was onto them so they added all the stuff about child rape and computer chips and shit to discredit him! You guys need to take back your republic! (I'm Canadian so I'll just chill out and watch)

[Air Zombie Meat]

Talk about a slippery slope. Once you start detaining people for going on unhinged rants whats next? Soon people will be getting locked up for any unpopular rant and all your freedoms will be gone.

[jaxword]

A flippant hand wave is as good as an endorsement. Enjoy your police state.

No, it isn't.

If the best argument you have is to childishly and deliberately misinterpret things to the point of lying, then no, your stance will not be credible, and things will not change since no one will listen to you.

You want to know who's responsible? Look at your own behavior and wonder why no one's listening.

[pigeon]

Anyway, they probably would have charged him with something had he committed a crime. Or maybe it's just easier to abduct him from his home and bypass all that silly process stuff. That was pretty much the whole point of the NDAA, right?

Have you seriously not heard of involuntary commitment? That guy's post shows telltale signs of formal thought disorder, which can indicate schizophrenia. It's not just a crazy rant, it's a crazy rant.

The story's very clear. He posted something that suggested violence against government officials. The feds went to interview him -- this has been standard practice for years and years. They talked to him and decided he needed psychiatric evaluation. It's certainly possible that this was an elaborate conspiracy and they're silencing him for speaking the truth that 9/11 was an inside job, but, you know, it's also possible he actually needs psychiatric evaluation. They were the ones on the scene, right? They called the Mental Health Crisis center, who told them to call the police, so they called the police and had him involuntarily committed. None of this is illegal, and arguably all of it is not merely within the mandate of law enforcement but within their responsibility -- if they think he might be dangerous, they're kind of obligated to act. He hasn't been arrested, he's being held for evaluation, which is, again, standard practice.

Just because you don't know much about it doesn't make it a vast conspiracy against human rights. I mean, if your argument is that mental patients don't get very good treatment in America, then fine, that's true, but it's also been true basically since America was invented, so it's not really news.

[commedieu]

Don't you guys understand? he was onto them so they added all the stuff about child rape and computer chips and shit to discredit him! You guys need to take back your republic! (I'm Canadian so I'll just chill out and watch)

Even if you're joking, thats the problem. The laws for these things will be in the hands of people who have general guidelines to arrest people. Its just getting tighter and tighter unfortunately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3s4R4b-k74

And the people will be cheering it on.

[Fusebox]

I'm gonna recommend jaxword be detained for over-reacting.

[Crayons]

While the guy sounded a little bit nutty, taking him to a mental institution and holding him against his will is way overkill. He hasn't committed a crime.

[Diablos]

If only he used 4chan. :D
His comments were pretty dumb, I dunno if it warrants a mental hospital stay over a weekend.
Although I suppose I could see how the first couple comments read could have implied violence.

[commedieu]

While the guy sounded a little bit nutty, taking him to a mental institution and holding him against his will is way overkill. He hasn't committed a crime.

You don't need to anymore.

[les papillons sexuels]

how long has he been "locked up"? i know a spych evaluation takes about 2 weeks, after which he'll be free to leave if they asses him as not being a threat.

While the guy sounded a little bit nutty, taking him to a mental institution and holding him against his will is way overkill. He hasn't committed a crime.

right, and it's also not a crime to be an alcoholic, doesn't mean they shouldn't get help. He's not being held against his will, he's being evaluated. I've gone through something similar, it's precautionary, that's all.

[daycru]

No, it isn't. If the best argument you have is to childishly and deliberately misinterpret things to the point of lying, then no, your stance will not be credible, and things will not change since no one will listen to you. You want to know who's responsible? Look at your own behavior and wonder why no one's listening.

Yeah, I really dropped the ball on this police state thing. My bad, guys.

[Pecan1]

If only they sent every shit poster from FB for a mental evaluation. Place is a cesspool and I like it and enjoy it normally but man is there some cringe worthy shit ie politics religion personal shit


Oh and guy taken to the mental ward against his will for evaluation. No shit I doubt a lot of people go get that type of evaluation for fun

[daycru]

It isn't Obama, or even his doppleganger, Bush. Nor any other elected official or person of power. It's all on me for using uncouth tactics on a video game message board. I really shit the bed on this one.

[jaxword]

Who's responsible for what? The thread? The police state? Who "isn't listening?"

You're the one falsely accusing others of supporting a police state/saying it's "ok" if you have power. What, exactly, are you doing to change this? If all you're doing is throwing a tantrum and making things up on the internet, then yeah, it's time to look at yourself.

And editing your posts, hah.