[SCHUEY F1]

He probably is, but even Apple disagrees, so we should probably move past his blindness.

yep

[brotkasten]

How do you even know. It's just thicker. I didn't even notice that till you brought it up. What have you done to me.

I'm glad I was able to open your eyes. Just thicker ... Kids these days.

[Kagari]

So I know phone wars are the cool thing right now... but can we please stay on topic? Thanks.

[EightBitNate]

What does everyone think of the video in the OP? Does it seem like Pureview, just compressed in YouTube's player?

So I know phone wars are the cool thing right now... but can we please stay on topic? Thanks.

Why thank you

[kharma45]

Nicely done OP, good work :)

As for the video, really hoping it's Pureview.

[Phoenix]

Still looks fairly similar to an iPhone aesthetically (you know... how it looks) in the shots provided. Not really taking anything out on random people.. I was addressing, directly, a person who made an asinine and irrelevant comment about my eyesight.

Actually it looks a shitload more like the frame for a GS3.

[f0lken]

What does everyone think of the video in the OP? Does it seem like Pureview, just compressed in YouTube's player?

It most certainly is, and Nokia should be aware that everyone is expecting a Pureview phone, everything else would be dissapointing, this is a short but interesting article on the video http://www.wpcentral.com/why-we-thin...ureview-device

In my dreams Nokia will reveal a high-end 41mp phone 4.7" with current high-end specs, a mid-range 20mp 4.3" dual core, and a low-range with specs equivalent to the current Lumia 800-900. But honestly I only want to se a Pureview phone even if it was the only one phone announced that day, I am growing bored of my Galaxy Note

[Tomcat]

What does everyone think of the video in the OP? Does it seem like Pureview, just compressed in YouTube's player?Why thank you

I have an 808 and the quality of that video doesn't look like it is from a pureview camera. But its yt so who knows.

[VanMardigan]

What does everyone think of the video in the OP? Does it seem like Pureview, just compressed in YouTube's player?

Nope. You can look at other Pureview videos on Youtube and they look MUCH better.

[bigtroyjon]

So I know phone wars are the cool thing right now... but can we please stay on topic? Thanks.

The quote in the thread title is from a billion dollar phone war.

[VanMardigan]

The quote in the thread title is from a billion dollar phone war.

Don't let it hurt your feelings, the thread title is a joke suggested by giga. Chill, man, nobody wants to talk about Android here. Good or bad.

[EightBitNate]

The quote in the thread title is from a billion dollar phone war.

Yeah, I asked the Windows Phone OT what it should be and that one received overwhelmingly positive feedback. It was my duty to use it.

[thirty]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhDU5Z9VrfU

[bigtroyjon]

Don't let it hurt your feelings, the thread title is a joke suggested by giga. Chill, man, nobody wants to talk about Android here. Good or bad.

uhhh, I don't want to talk about android either. That's why it's dumb to have the thread title the way it is. Shit attracts flies.

[Tuck]

The Lumina phones are really nice looking. I'm not due for a new phone till next year but the temptation to switch to Android or Windows Phone is rising. Can't wait to see what Nokia shows. Lets see if their showing is better than that new Samsung phone.

[Windu]

I hope they announce a 800 size phone, I don't like the way the 900 looks. I love the smooth curve of the screen etc.. of the 800.

[thirty]

pureview all over my face

[kharma45]

I hope they announce a 800 size phone, I don't like the way the 900 looks. I love the smooth curve of the screen etc.. of the 800.

They probably will as their entry level phone, then 4.3" for the midrange and 4.8" for their high end one.

That'd be my guess for what's coming from Nokia.

[Windu]

They probably will as their entry level phone, then 4.3" for the midrange and 4.8" for their high end one. That'd be my guess for what's coming from Nokia.

i'd be fine with that.

[Snaku]

Nokia's WP8 phone will be my first smartphone.

[EightBitNate]

Nokia's WP8 phone will be my first smartphone.

Welcome to the brotherhood.

[PG2G]

Here's are a list of what we'll probably see: Quad and Dual Core Windows Phones Lumias on Verizon and Sprint

The bolded will (99%) not happen

[Doffen]

Trail of clues “prove” 21 megapixel Nokia Lumia is coming

They noticed the video was strangely 21 seconds long, and that Phi was the 21st letter of the Greek alphabet, and that 21 was pretty close to half of 41, the number of megapixels in the Nokia 808 Pureview.

Speculations 101

[Greyface]

Trail of clues “prove” 21 megapixel Nokia Lumia is coming Speculations 101

:(

[thirty]

i'd be ok with 21mp pureview all over my face

[JaggedSac]

Looks like they did not want a mutant phone. Probably will still be the best camera phone barring the 808 though. So definitely isn't a bad thing it is only getting 21 mp.

[Satchel]

21mp camera? Wow. Overkill. Would be a waste if the front camera is less than 2. I want HD Skype action.

Also 1080p video is a must.

Right this second, the Ativ S is leading in the race for my money, but Nokia is who I'm really waiting for.

[Complex Shadow]

I'd glad I was able to open your eyes. Just thicker ... Kids these days.

[Commodore]

21mp camera? Wow. Overkill. Would be a waste if the front camera is less than 2. I want HD Skype action. Also 1080p video is a must. Right this second, the Ativ S is leading in the race for my money, but Nokia is who I'm really waiting for.

The other part of Nokia's PureView tech is rich recording. So if you're at a concert, instead of it founding like a garbled mess, it ends up sounding pretty good. If they manage to get that into a 21 mega camera without it looking like a hunchback, I'm in.

[Totakeke]

Pureview isn't just your normal camera hardware with a fancy term, it's an oversampling technique that uses high megapixel sensors to produce higher quality pictures at standard low resolutions. So far there's only been praise for the quality of the photos, and also video recordings that it has produced.

[rozay]

21mp camera? Wow. Overkill. Would be a waste if the front camera is less than 2. I want HD Skype action. Also 1080p video is a must. Right this second, the Ativ S is leading in the race for my money, but Nokia is who I'm really waiting for.

read about how the tech works before you think we all are on the "more megapixels=best spec sheet EVER!!!" boat. the current implementation in the pureview 808 uses a huge 42 megapixel sensor.

21 is a compromise, but I'll wait and see what the test images from retail units look like.

[thirty]

pixel count in pureview is mainly for zooming. if the 21mp pureview has an equally large sensor with a smaller mp count (less zoom), I'm ok with that. pureview really is about the large sensor size providing better low light images and overall improved image quality. the zooming with 42mp was overkill anyway, for vids it was way too shaky.

[jagowar]

Pureview isn't just your normal camera hardware with a fancy term, it's an oversampling technique that uses high megapixel sensors to produce higher quality pictures at standard low resolutions. So far there's only been praise for the quality of the photos, and also video recordings that it has produced.

Also allows a digital zoom to be somewhat close to an optical zoom.... based on the 808 it does a fantastic job. If the 21 mp allows the form factor to be thinner it would be a good compromise.... even 21mp downsampled would be the best camera phone on the market besides the 808.

[Satchel]

read about how the tech works before you think we all are on the "more megapixels=best spec sheet EVER!!!" boat. the current implementation in the pureview 808 uses a huge 42 megapixel sensor. 21 is a compromise, but I'll wait and see what the test images from retail units look like.

I'm not bagging anyone. I'm just saying.

To me, a 21mp camera is a waste if the video recording and front camera are sub par. That's all. Again, for me personally.

I'd take a 5mp camera if it meant the front one was 3 and video recording was of a very high quality.

[thirty]

the megapixels in pureview are used for zooming. they aren't a waste.

[EightBitNate]

Kinda crazy. It will trump all other phone cameras out there. My only hope is that they can hide it.

[Totakeke]

pixel count in pureview is mainly for zooming. if the 21mp pureview has an equally large sensor with a smaller mp count (less zoom), I'm ok with that. pureview really is about the large sensor size providing better low light images and overall improved image quality. the zooming with 42mp was overkill anyway, for vids it was way too shaky.

the megapixels in pureview are used for zooming. they aren't a waste.

That's not really correct, isn't it? Even if you don't zoom, the photo you eventually get still uses all the pixels to produce it by oversampling.

[SCHUEY F1]

Nokia is calling the Ativ a "warm-up act" and they also have placards outiside IFA welcoming Samsung back to Windows Phone.

HYPE!

[EightBitNate]

Nokia is calling the Ativ a "warm-up act" and they also have placards outiside IFA welcoming Samsung back to Windows Phone. HYPE!

So much big talk. If they don't own up to it...

[f0lken]

So much big talk. If they don't own up to it...

Well they were right last time when they started hyping the 808 before announce it saying that no one had made a camera like theirs ;)

[UraMallas]

Honestly, I know everybody's boners are big for PureView but I would much rather the hardware be blistering fast than to have an overexpensive camera to jack the price up. If I'm going to pay $300 for a phone I want to be able to run Angry Birds in 4D.

[PSGames]

Nokia is calling the Ativ a "warm-up act" and they also have placards outiside IFA welcoming Samsung back to Windows Phone. HYPE!

I would love to see this. Lol

[f0lken]

Honestly, I know everybody's boners are big for PureView but I would much rather the hardware be blistering fast than to have an overexpensive camera to jack the price up. If I'm going to pay $300 for a phone I want to be able to run Angry Birds in 4D.

Well the Ativ S has the same specs as the Galaxy S3 so power won't be a problem

[Totakeke]

Honestly, I know everybody's boners are big for PureView but I would much rather the hardware be blistering fast than to have an overexpensive camera to jack the price up. If I'm going to pay $300 for a phone I want to be able to run Angry Birds in 4D.

If WP7 was anything to go by, your blistering fast hardware will have marginal differences in terms of performance. Windows Phone isn't Android.

[EightBitNate]

Honestly, I know everybody's boners are big for PureView but I would much rather the hardware be blistering fast than to have an overexpensive camera to jack the price up. If I'm going to pay $300 for a phone I want to be able to run Angry Birds in 4D.

Well, single core on WP7 was butter, I doubt WP8 on dualcore/quadcore will be anything less than blazing.

[MarkusRJR]

Do we know if WP8 will allow paypal as a payment method for apps on the marketplace? That was the only reason I didn't get a Lumia 900; because I don't have a credit card. :/

[Doffen]

I would love to see this. Lol

https://twitter.com/DougatNokia/stat...325056/photo/1

[rozay]

I'm not bagging anyone. I'm just saying. To me, a 21mp camera is a waste if the video recording and front camera are sub par. That's all. Again, for me personally. I'd take a 5mp camera if it meant the front one was 3 and video recording was of a very high quality.

Okay, but the bottleneck for front camera recording isn't the megapixel number, it's the quality of the sensor and whatever compression the service you are using imposes on you+the recipient's connection. 2MP has enough pixels to support 1080p recording, but I don't think any application will be using anything more than 720p for the lifetime of this phone+its chipset. I think the correct way to word your statement would be "I'd take a 5mp camera if it meant the lower bill-of-materials costs could allow for a front camera with better quality than the shitty sensors that get tossed in the front of most phones" ;)

And again, there's plenty of videos on youtube in 1080p recorded by the pureview 808 showing the prowess of the sensor+the mics nokia used. I just hope that they haven't compromised the quality too much if the 21MP sensor is the real deal. I'd link some but I can't vouch for the quality of anything from my phone.

[Troll]

https://twitter.com/DougatNokia/stat...325056/photo/1

Awesome.

[JaggedSac]

That's not really correct, isn't it? Even if you don't zoom, the photo you eventually get still uses all the pixels to produce it by oversampling.

Yes Pureview is mainly about the sampling. Zooming is a bonus for such large pixel counts. The larger the pixel count the more sampling can be done. 21 is a decent amount to still get some use from pureview.