[markot]

lol? Nokia is in no position to be calling out anyone. Samsung is crushing them in every price range.

[Totakeke]

lol? Nokia is in no position to be calling out anyone. Samsung is crushing them in every price range.

Before anyone gets derailed by this guy, Nokia never called out anyone.

[Troll]

Yes Pureview is mainly about the sampling. Zooming is a bonus for such large pixel counts. The larger the pixel count the more sampling can be done. 21 is a decent amount to still get some use from pureview.

Yeah, I think it is a good compromise. Not everyone wants to buy their phones at Notre Dame.

[markot]

Before anyone gets derailed by this guy, Nokia never called out anyone.

They did before.

[rozay]

Before anyone gets derailed by this guy, Nokia never called out anyone.

they do this shit all the time, actually.

[Totakeke]

they do this shit all the time, actually.

Putting up a sign welcoming Samsung back to Windows Phone? It's only hostile if you want to make it up to be, hardly calling out anyone.

[giga]

I'd say that the .8" sensor is far more important than the sampling algorithm. Mirrorless cameras using 1" sensors have equal to or higher IQ without any oversampling. I'd have no problem if they kept the sensor size the same but only included 12 milion pixels.

[lastflowers]

Putting up a sign welcoming Samsung back to Windows Phone? It's only hostile if you want to make it up to be, hardly calling out anyone.

Very true. Smartphone Beta test, however....

[Banjo Tango]

I see Sprint and Verizon in the OP... is there any hope for T-Mobile getting a high-end Nokia?

[godhandiscen]

Is the Nokia line confirmed for Sprint? I get unlimited data with Sprint and I've come to appreciate it.

[NeOak]

I see Sprint and Verizon in the OP... is there any hope for T-Mobile getting a high-end Nokia?

I think the high-end WP8 is reserved for AT&T, but i could be wrong.

[Satchel]

Okay, but the bottleneck for front camera recording isn't the megapixel number, it's the quality of the sensor and whatever compression the service you are using imposes on you+the recipient's connection. 2MP has enough pixels to support 1080p recording, but I don't think any application will be using anything more than 720p for the lifetime of this phone+its chipset. I think the correct way to word your statement would be "I'd take a 5mp camera if it meant the lower bill-of-materials costs could allow for a front camera with better quality than the shitty sensors that get tossed in the front of most phones" ;) And again, there's plenty of videos on youtube in 1080p recorded by the pureview 808 showing the prowess of the sensor+the mics nokia used. I just hope that they haven't compromised the quality too much if the 21MP sensor is the real deal. I'd link some but I can't vouch for the quality of anything from my phone.

Fair enough. I'm by no means an expert as you can tell.

I just want this thing to "have it all". I'll be buying outright, but I'd still like to have it for st least 2 years.

[EightBitNate]

I see Sprint and Verizon in the OP... is there any hope for T-Mobile getting a high-end Nokia?

But that I meant Nokia WP going to carriers besides AT&T and T-Mobile.

Right now, I think that Tmobile is rumored to get the Arrow, which looks like the middle option. I'm not positive if they'll actually do this. So much wasted oppurtunity not debuting your flagship on all four.

[thirty]

I'd say that the .8" sensor is far more important than the sampling algorithm. Mirrorless cameras using 1" sensors have equal to or higher IQ without any oversampling. I'd have no problem if they kept the sensor size the same but only included 12 milion pixels.

this man understands. it's all about sensor size. hopefully, this new 21mp sensor is just as large as the 42mp.

[derFeef]

The "Things are about to change" highly suggests a Pureview WP8 no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moJ9T5pgKkA

[cthoaa]

Putting up a sign welcoming Samsung back to Windows Phone? It's only hostile if you want to make it up to be, hardly calling out anyone.

lol, how is this not calling out Samsung?

@CWeberatNokia Samsung take note, next generation Lumia coming soon. #nokia

[Totakeke]

lol, how is this not calling out Samsung?

No, what do you think they're calling them out on?

[catfish]

AN 11 INCH SCREEN?!?! lulz

lulz indeed.

[steelcity]

It's going to be a 4.3" screen, people. :|

I hope they provide a 4.7-5 inch option also.

[mescalineeyes]

No, what do you think they're calling them out on?

I think they are implying that the next Nokia will be more copy-worthy then the point release Apple has cooked up for us this year.

But again, they never outright stated anything. It's a friendly jab from a flailing company.

[Ghost]

Don't think we'll be getting Pureview this year, which is pretty much the only thing that would get me excited for the new Lumia. Having said that Windows Phone 8 really does seem to plug all the functionality gaps.

[Mr. Pointy]

I really am looking forward to Nokia's WP8 lineup. I do like their phone design, even though their hardware isn't quite all there, they stuck too long with Symbian, killed MeeGo too early and WP7.5 ain't all that jazz.

The Ativ S does look nice in that conventionally Samsung kind of way. And the hardware is pretty good - it's basically a US Samsung Galaxy S III. That IFA conference though...

[Greyface]

I'd say that the .8" sensor is far more important than the sampling algorithm. Mirrorless cameras using 1" sensors have equal to or higher IQ without any oversampling. I'd have no problem if they kept the sensor size the same but only included 12 milion pixels.

Hmm... I thought Nokia were going with 21 MP because they couldn't fit the 41 MP sensor in without a bulging case which would imply that there will be a smaller sensor. However it's also possible Nokia could have chosen 21 MP because they didn't add a dedicated processor and the SoC can't handle more than size i.e sensor size isn't the bottleneck and we're getting the same .8" sensor.

Either way, I'm not getting the 41 MP I desire :/

I think they are implying that the next Nokia will be more copy-worthy then the point release Apple has cooked up for us this year. But again, they never outright stated anything. It's a friendly jab from a flailing company.

... let's change the thread title now before we get overrun by people trying to make this thread about Apple and Android.

[dejay]

Subbed. This is pretty much what I've been waiting for - the first Apollo offerings from Nokia and Samsung.

... let's change the thread title now before we get overrun by people trying to make this thread about Apple and Android.

You could call the thread "The official thread of not making this about Apple and Android" and you'd get the same result.

[mescalineeyes]

... let's change the thread title now before we get overrun by people trying to make this thread about Apple and Android.

I doubt anyone will be stupid enough to do that. :) I think people are getting tired of it in the thread where it's tolerated. I know I am.

Do any of you guys have any clue why Nokia and Microsoft are going to be holding this event together? or is that even still happening?

[CurlySaysX]

Nokia galaxy s3? bomba!

[Unknown Soldier]

Nokia galaxy s3? bomba!

The Samsung ATIV-S is basically the Galaxy W3. It uses identical hardware to the S3 and the exterior casing is very similar but made of aluminum instead of polycarbonate.

[derFeef]

The Samsung ATIV-S is basically the Galaxy W3. It uses identical hardware to the S3 and the exterior casing is very similar but made of aluminum instead of polycarbonate.

It looks more like the S2, though. Which is a good thing imo.

[mescalineeyes]

ugh, can we please not talk about those ugly Samsung phones in here. This is s safe haven.

[brotkasten]

ugh, can we please not talk about those ugly Samsung phones in here. This is s safe haven.

Yes, lets talk about the upcoming phone that looks like the three phones that were released before it.

[mescalineeyes]

Yes, lets talk about the upcoming phone that looks like the three phones that were released before it.

Oh man. I can't think of a single phone that has 3 similar looking predecessors :/

[Ghost]

So chances are this is what the hi-end device will look like (Nokia patent application)

Codenamed 'Phi'

[brotkasten]

Oh man. I can't think of a single phone that has 3 similar looking predecessors :/

To be fair, the N9 is not exactly the predecessor of the Lumia 800, but it was released few months before it.

[derFeef]

Curved Lumia :(

[mescalineeyes]

Curved Lumia :(

I think they have to do it that way, since due to the extremely good camera they want to be using, the thickness of the phone needs to increase. Hopefully that also means a bigger battery.

[Fjolle]

Curved Lumia :(

FAT Lumia.

[derFeef]

Looks like the Omnia 7, seriously.
Now curved GLASS would be sweet. No dice I guess.

[AdrianWerner]

I love the teaser with the girl on the bike. Nokia really makes nice and pretty adds.
If they keep the awesome style of Lumia ther WP8 device will be my next smartphone. I've recently had to return to a dumbphone for a week, which allowed me to take a good hard look at what I actually use phone for..ie..not for some fancy apps. Everything I need is on WP7 already, so it's all about interface, camera and phone design..in each of those three I don't see anything that will be able to compete with WP8 Nokia devices.

[AdrianWerner]

Yes, lets talk about the upcoming phone that looks like the three phones that were released before it.

Oh come on..N9, Lumia 800 and 900 are all from the same line. Stylistically the only predecessor Lumia had is N8

[mescalineeyes]

Looks like the Omnia 7, seriously. Now curved GLASS would be sweet. No dice I guess.

What's everyone's obsession with curved glass? I have it on my Tuna and I don't even notice it.

[AdrianWerner]

What's everyone's obsession with curved glass? I have it on my Tuna and I don't even notice it.

It fits better with the bezel design on Nokias. Curved glass is what makes lumia 800 a prettier phone than lumia 900

[derFeef]

A wild Nokia appears.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/30/nokia-blurrycam/

[Pazuzu9]

It fits better with the bezel design on Nokias. Curved glass is what makes lumia 800 a prettier phone than lumia 900

Correct.

[mescalineeyes]

It fits better with the bezel design on Nokias. Curved glass is what makes lumia 800 a prettier phone than lumia 900

Well, looks like I'm a fan then :)

[trinest]

Yes, lets talk about the upcoming phone that looks like the three phones that were released before it.

This isn't a HTC thread.

[Radec]

Yes, lets talk about the upcoming phone that looks like the three phones that were released before it.

This is very true for Nokia nowadays.

[Kapsama]

That is one nasty green.

[mescalineeyes]

That is one nasty green.

That's technically closer to yellow, which IS super nasty.

[John Dunbar]

is this how the screen always look? i mean, all that black space that just has an arrow in it? seems such a waste and a bit of an eye sore.

[mescalineeyes]

is this how the screen always look? i mean, all that black space that just has an arrow in it? seems such a waste and a bit of an eye sore.

Windows 8 and 7.8 do away with the black border "gutter" on the right.