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HyperBitHero
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(09-03-2012, 09:51 AM)
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Why DmC's Dante is a Bad Character

A few people posted this video I made yesterday in the "DmC: Devil May Cry sequel teased" thread. I thanked them for the mention, and later got a couple of messages from people saying they saw and liked the video.

I decided to make a thread about it because it seemed to really resonate with a lot of people.

If you're wondering why a lot of people are grumpy about this character, I think this video does a good job of explaining it. This is the way I see it, and my reasoning for thinking so.

I hope you like it.

Also, I didn't mention his hair!
Khezu
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(09-03-2012, 09:53 AM)
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All that video did was make me want another bully.

That part where he punches the dude would have been kinda alright if he signed his name instead of writing fuck you or fuck off w/e it was.
boutdown
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(09-03-2012, 10:00 AM)
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Subscribed to your channel.
Meatvillain
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(09-03-2012, 10:02 AM)
Hilarious.
Arabian Mage
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(09-03-2012, 10:04 AM)
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I never followed this game despite my love for the series, but watching your video made me glad I didn't, I mean wow, how could they do this to Devil May Cry ?

Poor Kamiya :(
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(09-03-2012, 10:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Metalic

I never followed this game despite my love for the series, but watching your video made me glad I didn't, I mean wow, how could they do this to Devil May Cry ?

Poor Kamiya :(

As Kamiya would say, use your brain. Because Capcom obviously isn't using their's.
HyperBitHero
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(09-03-2012, 10:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Khezu

All that video did was make me want another bully.

That part where he punches the dude would have been kinda alright if he signed his name instead of writing fuck you or fuck off w/e it was.

The song was suggested by one of my followers on twitter. I really have to give her mad props.
Seance
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(09-03-2012, 10:08 AM)
Haven't played any DMC games before but i like the look of this.
TemplaerDude
(09-03-2012, 10:10 AM)
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Uhhhh is this game out yet?
grebby
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(09-03-2012, 10:10 AM)
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That was a good video. I agree with pretty much everything you said. When you really look at the Dante NT has made it is just really no where near as cool as they're aiming for. A real shame, the ending hit hard. I don't think we'll ever see the Dante we're all familiar with, and hey I enjoyed playing as Nero in DMC4. A real shame we'll never see further refinements with that character.

I really want to like DmC, I absolutely adore the DMC franchise but the radical departure is just making it impossible for me to really be excited. I mean the story is just painful, I cannot believe NT actually did that for their story...

I still want to try the game for myself, hopefully the PC version will not have a locked frame rate.
Seraphis Cain
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(09-03-2012, 10:10 AM)
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The biggest message I've gotten from this game is that those of us who prefer the Japanese style of video games are pretty much fucked here in the next few years.

Great video, OP. :D
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(09-03-2012, 10:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by TemplaerDude

Uhhhh is this game out yet?

No, which does make some of the things the OP criticizes in his video a little more than just premature. Judging the quality of the game's writing from some short scenes, and trailers? But ultimately the coolness factor this Dante exudes is a pretty obvious mis mash of what Ninja Theory intended to do, and what they were forced to do after Capcom heard complaints.
The Spoony Hou
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(09-03-2012, 10:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by TemplaerDude

Uhhhh is this game out yet?

I was wondering the same, but I think it isn't.

Why is there so much footage of the game?
Nibel
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(09-03-2012, 10:17 AM)
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Video is good, we had enough trailers and videos and statements and shit to understand in which direction they want to take the character. And yeah, feels like "trying too hard" to me.

We don't know how the game will turn out, but I can't really sympathize with the protagonist so I hope it will be good in other parts to make me forget about him.
rockman zx
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(09-03-2012, 10:18 AM)
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I found this video premature, you have good points but I rather have a video like this after playing the game than after watching some trailers.
KittenMaster
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(09-03-2012, 10:19 AM)
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That social commentary plot sounds worse than what they did to Dante.

The biggest message I've gotten from this game is that those of us who prefer the Japanese style of video games are pretty much fucked here in the next few years.

Pretty much.
grebby
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(09-03-2012, 10:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by The Spoony Hou

I was wondering the same, but I think it isn't.

Why is there so much footage of the game?

Capcom has been showing a pretty ridiculous amount of footage each time there's been an event like E3, Gamescom etc... Capcom Unity usually demos around 30 minutes of footage, each event has usually had a new level shown.

I guess they're trying to win people over? It's kinda strange.
Monocle
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(09-03-2012, 10:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Seraphis Cain

The biggest message I've gotten from this game is that those of us who prefer the Japanese style of video games are pretty much fucked here in the next few years.

Great video, OP. :D

Anyone who loves Devil May Cry for its platforming is in luck!
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(09-03-2012, 10:21 AM)
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I haven't seen anything from this game since around when they announced it, but some of that gameplay looked rad.
V_Arnold
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(09-03-2012, 10:21 AM)
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You have put way too much thought behind pure speculation, imho.
Let us get back to this a few months later when we actually get to play through the story, and see if he is good as a character or bad. This, of course, only applies to those that did not already decide whether he is "bad" or not.

(Also, I do not find him unlikable. So a few of your points automatically go out of the window. It is the result of treating a character's "quality" as an intangible constant, floating around in the middle of our universe, not something as a subjective value :P)
Heavy's Sandvich
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(09-03-2012, 10:24 AM)
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I appreciate the effort; don't really quite agree with your sentiments though which seem based largely on speculation.

Would be interesting to see if your conclusions are proven to be right though once the game is released.
SJRB
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(09-03-2012, 10:25 AM)
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"Fuck you"
"No, fuck you!"
"FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU"


Someone actually wrote that script, you know. Someone who got paid for writing it.
V_Arnold
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(09-03-2012, 10:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by SJRB

"Fuck you"
"No, fuck you!"
"FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU"


Someone actually wrote that script, you know. Someone who got paid for writing it.

Yeah. It is not like that scene was obviously a parody of how people got engaged in fights after a few beers. No. Not even a chance! It must be because Ninja Theory hates DMC and hates the whole genre, and just abuses it! ...
Kong Fisso
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(09-03-2012, 10:29 AM)
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I'm thrilled to hear Dante is a bad character
Htown
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(09-03-2012, 10:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by V_Arnold

Yeah. It is not like that scene was obviously a parody of how people got engaged in fights after a few beers. No. Not even a chance!

That's a dumb thing to put in the game.
sublimit
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(09-03-2012, 10:31 AM)
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I agreed with everything you said until 5:31.
I don't think NT "don't respect Dante's legacy" it's just that they are not appropriate for the job.They just don't know it and they probably never will.I'm sure that in their eyes they believe that they are giving great characterization to Dante and they are really proud for that.

Seriously the only one who's to blame here is Capcom.
graywolf323
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(09-03-2012, 10:32 AM)
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it's Dante done by the Occupy crowd
Vice
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(09-03-2012, 10:32 AM)
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I don't think the Dante in DmC is worse than the original personality-wise just different. I think the side of Dante that has been shown more recently can mesh with the side of Dante that was shown early on. You can have a character that's a mopey chain-smoker who tries to look cool or imposing.
HyperBitHero
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(09-03-2012, 10:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by V_Arnold

Yeah. It is not like that scene was obviously a parody of how people got engaged in fights after a few beers. No. Not even a chance! It must be because Ninja Theory hates DMC and hates the whole genre, and just abuses it! ...

What makes you think that that was the reasoning behind it?
Vic
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(09-03-2012, 10:33 AM)
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Holy shit, the writing is BAD. All those "Fuck You" & whore mother made me cringe.
sublimit
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(09-03-2012, 10:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by V_Arnold

Yeah. It is not like that scene was obviously a parody of how people got engaged in fights after a few beers. No. Not even a chance! It must be because Ninja Theory hates DMC and hates the whole genre, and just abuses it! ...

lol
Man this game is deep...
Pie and Beans
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(09-03-2012, 10:34 AM)
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Its the anti-establishment rebel with a cause crap that actually makes nuDante a far more clichéd character and worse than the original. Trying so hard to be cool, fuk da police, and all that other rubbish that when people find it "cool" you just have to cringe.

What made original Dante feel more of a breath of fresh air in an age of DARK AND EDGY PROTAGS, at least from DMC3-4, was that he was just the class clown. His nigh on invincibility had made him this lazy, laid back, partying joker who was never really affected by anything until it really mattered to him. You could spear the guy with a fucking small museum of barbed weaponry and he'd just laugh it off, while nuDante is punching bouncers in the face because he's not on the guest list.
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(09-03-2012, 10:36 AM)
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They turned Dante & Vergil into gossip girl characters.
Arooguy
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(09-03-2012, 10:36 AM)
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Great video, you made a lot of good points. The end made me sad though :(
Wibblewozzer
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(09-03-2012, 10:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by StuBurns

I haven't seen anything from this game since around when they announced it, but some of that gameplay looked rad.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel now. I've largely ignored the coverage of the game after the initial showing but I clicked the video in the thread and thought it looked pretty awesome. I've played/beaten some of the other Devil May Cry games but I don't hold Dante in my heart as some amazing character so I don't mind a different interpretation.

So...umm...thanks for making me interested in the new DmC.
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(09-03-2012, 10:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wibblewozzer

That's pretty much exactly how I feel now. I've largely ignored the coverage of the game after the initial showing but I clicked the video in the thread and thought it looked pretty awesome. I've played/beaten some of the other Devil May Cry games but I don't hold Dante in my heart as some amazing character so I don't mind a different interpretation.

So...umm...thanks for making me interested in the new DmC.

Well the thread isn't about the gameplay...
V_Arnold
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(09-03-2012, 10:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by HyperBitHero

What makes you think that that was the reasoning behind it?

Because it is not realistic to imagine a scenario where writers are banging their heads against the wall for a few days only to later come up with three lines of "fuck you". If you think it is a realistic outline of how that got into the game, then you obviously already made your mind up about this.

I also do not understand why a young man who realizes that everything around him is a lie and is a demon-controlled mind-dumbing tyranny cannot say fuck you, punch bouncers in the face and simply stay freaking angry at "the world" at large, but trying to do some good as well in it. It is perfectly reasonable.
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(09-03-2012, 10:40 AM)
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Can't wait to break his face in "PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale"!
KO Traveling Hobo
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(09-03-2012, 10:41 AM)
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My stance: this dude seems pretty amusing and likeable and would be interesting as his own character, but he's not Dante. They should have just made him a new character and been done with it.

Originally Posted by SJRB

"Fuck you"
"No, fuck you!"
"FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU"


Someone actually wrote that script, you know. Someone who got paid for writing it.

It made me smirk. Good enough.
Last edited by KO Traveling Hobo; 09-03-2012 at 10:43 AM.
graywolf323
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(09-03-2012, 10:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by V_Arnold

Because it is not realistic to imagine a scenario where writers are banging their heads against the wall for a few days only to later come up with three lines of "fuck you". If you think it is a realistic outline of how that got into the game, then you obviously already made your mind up about this.

you give writers way too much credit
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(09-03-2012, 10:42 AM)
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"Fuck you"
"No, fuck you!"
"FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU"

I'll laugh my way through the dialogue while mostly ignoring it and enjoy the gameplay.
Pie and Beans
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(09-03-2012, 10:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by V_Arnold

Because it is not realistic to imagine a scenario where writers are banging their heads against the wall for a few days only to later come up with three lines of "fuck you". If you think it is a realistic outline of how that got into the game, then you obviously already made your mind up about this.

Writers challenging themselves to create the most dark and edgy scenes possible settling on "Fuck you" as the punchline to at least three of the game's story scenes is more than a little sad though.

I see enough little oiks out and about on a Saturday night each week to not want to see one glorified as a videogame main character.
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(09-03-2012, 10:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

Writers challenging themselves to create the most dark and edgy scenes possible settling on "Fuck you" as the punchline to at least three of the game's story scenes is more than a little sad though.

I see enough little oiks out and about on a Saturday night each week to not want to see one glorified as a videogame main character.

I think they want Dante to come off as a bit of a prick though.
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(09-03-2012, 10:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by SJRB

"Fuck you"
"No, fuck you!"
"FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU"

Someone actually wrote that script, you know. Someone who got paid for writing it.

That was the only funny line.
V_Arnold
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(09-03-2012, 10:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by graywolf323

you give writers way too much credit

No, I am quite realistic. Not expecting Dosztojevszkij-level writing, but the game's story is the least thing to worry about, based on NT's previous works.
sublimit
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(09-03-2012, 10:47 AM)
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The funny thing is that Capcom actually hired NT mostly for their characterization,story and cinematic qualities.
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(09-03-2012, 10:47 AM)
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So sad, I want a real DMC 5. Hopefully this game sells 3 copies and we get a true DMC
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(09-03-2012, 10:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

Its the anti-establishment rebel with a cause crap that actually makes nuDante a far more clichéd character and worse than the original. Trying so hard to be cool, fuk da police, and all that other rubbish that when people find it "cool" you just have to cringe.

oh god

Old Dante was a douche with white hair, a red trench coat, who was half-demon. It's just as emo-fantasy as this new version.
The Spoony Hou
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(09-03-2012, 10:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by grebby

Capcom has been showing a pretty ridiculous amount of footage each time there's been an event like E3, Gamescom etc... Capcom Unity usually demos around 30 minutes of footage, each event has usually had a new level shown.

I guess they're trying to win people over? It's kinda strange.

It makes them look desperate.
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(09-03-2012, 10:53 AM)
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Don't care, listened to Bully soundtrack :D

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