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Rumor: Wii U final specs

Log4Girlz

Member
I never said that. Neither did i imply or meant to say that. But the argument that WiiU is only as powerful as PS360 because launch ports of games that were made after 6 years of development expertise on that specific hardware, don't look any better (generally on par with PS3 ports since 360 is usually lead platform) or slightly worse, is asinine. I'm not even arguing that the WiiU is all that much more powerful. But these techniques alone don't account for the massive jump from Perfect Dark Zero, to Halo 4.

Mass Effect 3 wasn't that far off of the 360 version and already better than the PS3 version. The same team is supposedly working on two other WiiU games. One being an exclusive. Let's see if we can notice improvements due to experience of working on ME3.

To put it more clearly, so that Log4Girlz can actually wrap his head around it: how well would ME3, AC3, Batman etc... have looked or ran on PS3, had those developers not have 6 years experience on that hardware, nor have been able to borrow info other than what was known about the platform 6 years ago and working under the same conditions as the studio's porting WiiU games. I wonder if Mass Effect 3 would reach 10 FPS.

Once again comparing modern games to launch games from nearly a decade ago. Appropriate since the Wii U uses a CPU architecture from '99.

Game development has evolved in 7 years. Everything learned will be carried over to any machine a developer works on. Any hardware close to the Xbox 360/PS3 released today should have similar looking games. If there was any significant horsepower increase then you would see an increase in performance. Third party ports are bad. During launch the Xbox 360 had ports with significant performance increases, while the best Wii U can do is match Xbox 360 versions of a game. That's the best it is doing right now. Nothing even comes close to matching Halo 4 or Last of Us. Not even close.

So that you can wrap your head around it. The woeful performance of these ports from so many developers, and all this talk of a horrifically slow CPU pretty much affirms the belief of many skeptical gamers that the Wii U is another Wii in relation to last generation hardware. I miniscule, tiny step forward at best.
 
~400 on the low end, ~580 on the higher end.

Some people (Thraktor) much smarter than I about this stuff expect about 440 shaders, so that would be 484Gflops, BG assumed 480 shaders, so it would be 528.

lightchris Whether it's R700 or even R900(northern islands/HD 6000) the efficiency per watt wouldn't change, both are around 12GFLOPs/Watt @ 40nm, but given that includes GDDR5, and desktop GPUs being designed with other things beyond power saving in mind, you'd see that number increase. If BG or the other highly intelligent NeoGAF poster (Thraktor) is right (given the actual size of the GPU 120mm^2+ for gpu silicon, it's likely they are) Then Wii U's GPU reaches ~16GFLOPs/Watt or in BG's case, ~17.5GFLOPs/Watt. Both of these numbers are less efficient than R700 mobile parts, so they are very realistic considering the maturity of 40nm and Wii U's customizations.

I don't know if changing your avatar to some twilight character is going to help.
 
I can't believe people are still 'debating' whether or not the power is disappointing.

Why would you debate an opinion? You can debate whether you think games could be ported, but whether or not it's disappointing is a different thing.

The amount of vitriol in this thread is amazing. I'm actually kind of surprised that a mod hasn't made into some sort of mass graveyard in the last week.
 

z0m3le

Banned
I can't believe people are still 'debating' whether or not the power is disappointing.

It's about half of what I expected, so yes definitely disappointing, but I've played the console and it's fun so I'm not going to say that it's junk.

I would have liked a definite increase in fidelity over last gen, but I'm actually thinking given Wii's extra power over gamecube and those games actually looking worse, I'm going to say Wii U is going to be a mixed bag.
 
Why would you debate an opinion? You can debate whether you think games could be ported, but whether or not it's disappointing is a different thing.

The amount of vitriol in this thread is amazing. I'm actually kind of surprised that a mod hasn't made into some sort of mass graveyard in the last week.

There is nothing wrong about what is being posted in this thread. Mods are not here to encourage hivemind posts and censor shit you don't like. There not all Nintendo stockholders like you are.
 
There is nothing wrong about what is being posted in this thread. Mods are not here to encourage hivemind posts and censor shit you don't like. There not all Nintendo stockholders like you are.

You must be delusional if you think everything that's been posted in this thread since launch is all find and dandy. Much of it is extremely reprehensible. Much of it has been the extreme "nintendo sucks" hivemind crap that floats around regularly.
 

z0m3le

Banned
Considering that ports from the end of last gen are looking identical on Wii U (CoD blops2) but running a bit worse, does leave me to assume that Wii U will have a fair amount of games that look better than last gen efforts. Just moving up to the more modern GPU should make games that look better than Last of Us possible.

That is to say stuff like Tessellation to smooth out objects and give more realistic environments/skin, would be nice.

Also moving physics to the GPU would give some cool effects not seen last gen. (think physX enabled games)

As for ports from other future consoles, I have no idea if publishers will be interested in Wii U, but it's much easier to port games to a console using the same "language" (for lack of a better word) than trying to put DX9 games onto hardware that barely understands DX7 level effects (Wii)

I expect ports from other future consoles to look like last gen 360 games on Wii U with some added effects thanks to the modern GPU.
 
Considering that ports from the end of last gen are looking identical on Wii U (CoD blops2) but running a bit worse, does leave me to assume that Wii U will have a fair amount of games that look better than last gen efforts. Just moving up to the more modern GPU should make games that look better than Last of Us possible.

That is to say stuff like Tessellation to smooth out objects and give more realistic environments/skin, would be nice.

Come on, they looks "identical" because devs have learned a lot of techniques in current gen. Xbox 360 ports from Xbox wasn't "identical" to original versions, they was better than original versions, higher resoution, antialiasing, better textures in some cases, etc.

Tessellation and other "modern" techniques are on PC multplat versions, why they ported DX9 versions?

Also moving physics to the GPU would give some cool effects not seen last gen. (think physX enabled games)

And moving physics to the GPU will "steal" some power to GPU, what will happen to graphics if you are using GPU power for physics?

As for ports from other future consoles, I have no idea if publishers will be interested in Wii U, but it's much easier to port games to a console using the same "language" (for lack of a better word) than trying to put DX9 games onto hardware that barely understands DX7 level effects (Wii)

I expect ports from other future consoles to look like last gen 360 games on Wii U with some added effects thanks to the modern GPU.

It will depend on how many resources will use the next gen game. If 720/PS4 are consoles with 6GB~8GB ram, APU + GPU, I really doubt Wii U will get ports.
 

z0m3le

Banned
Come on, they looks "identical" because devs have learned a lot of techniques in current gen. Xbox 360 ports from Xbox wasn't "identical" to original versions, they was better than original versions, higher resoution, antialiasing, better textures in some cases, etc.
Right, I don't think that Wii U is much more powerful than 360, I'm saying that even if it was just a 360 with a modern GPU would still fit with exactly what I had said...
Tessellation and other "modern" techniques are on PC multplat versions, why they ported DX9 versions?
Right, they ported 360 games to the Wii U, not the PC versions, DF's review of CoDbo2 says as much, since the games use exactly the same visuals and even AA.

And moving physics to the GPU will "steal" some power to GPU, what will happen to graphics if you are using GPU power for physics?
Right, but Wii U has more GPU power than 360 from all accounts, so using the extra flops to render physics and maybe even AI and of course hopefully hitting 720p rather than sub HD like a lot of high fidelity last gen games, should be possible on Wii U

It will depend on how many resources will use the next gen game. If 720/PS4 are consoles with 6GB~8GB ram, APU + GPU, I really doubt Wii U will get ports.

Seeing as how PC has the ability to port, I think there is no barrier there. Especially since thanks to known hardware of Wii U (to developers) they would be able to reach some level of portability that is playable.

Either way, I'm not expecting most games to make it to the Wii U, just more than Wii received.
 

I wouldn't waste anymore time trying to have a civil discussion with the troop of Nintendo haters that have flooded and ruined this thread since the Ram speeds were announced mate.

Come early next year we will be playing exclusive games like Pikmin 3, Rayman Legends, Wonderful 101, Lego City Undercover, Wario Ware, Monster Hunter Ultimate, Bayonetta 2, along with multi platform games that look and run better than the PS360 versions and in Oct / Nov two massive first party exclusives that really show off the power of the WiiU, while they are busy arguing amongst themselves about which version of MW4 has less jaggies, PS4 or the 720...
 

Log4Girlz

Member
I wouldn't waste anymore time trying to have a civil discussion with the troop of Nintendo haters that have flooded and ruined this thread since the Ram speeds were announced mate.

Come early next year we will be playing exclusive games like Pikmin 3, Rayman Legends, Wonderful 101, Lego City Undercover, Wario Ware, Monster Hunter Ultimate, Bayonetta 2, along with multi platform games that look and run better than the PS360 versions and in Oct / Nov two massive first party exclusives that really show off the power of the WiiU, while they are busy arguing amongst themselves about which version of MW4 has less jaggies, PS4 or the 720...

How long will you be enjoying those multi-platform games? How long before the well dries up?
 

Vagabundo

Member
This is a forum for hardcore gamers. Of course they are going to be miffed that the first new console in 7years is underpowered, and take great interst in its internals.

I don't see why. If they really care they would have PC's not consoles. The "new" batch will always be old hat when compared to PCs anyway.

Nintendo doesn't owe gamers anything, they are a business. This is how they feel they can make a profit and stay in business.y
 

NBtoaster

Member
I don't see why. If they really care they would have PC's not consoles. The "new" batch will always be old hat when compared to PCs anyway.

Nintendo doesn't owe gamers anything, they are a business. This is how they feel they can make a profit and stay in business.y

Caring about tech in a console doesn't mean you care about it exclusively. Nintendo doesn't make PC games.
 

Vagabundo

Member
Caring about tech in a console doesn't mean you care about it exclusively. Nintendo doesn't make PC games.

There is great tech in the Wii U, it's just ultra efficient. Obviously not to everyones taste, but probably more attractive for the Japanese market. I think Nintendo is trying to dominate there.

I was pretty skeptical about the machine when it was announced, but I'm pretty much sold on it now, the power consumption is a feature AFAIC.
 

Log4Girlz

Member
There is great tech in the Wii U, it's just ultra efficient. Obviously not to everyones taste, but probably more attractive for the Japanese market. I think Nintendo is trying to dominate there.

I was pretty skeptical about the machine when it was announced, but I'm pretty much sold on it now, the power consumption is a feature AFAIC.

The Japanese market for consoles should only expand this generation!
 
How long will you be enjoying those multi-platform games? How long before the well dries up?

I couldn't care less about multi platform games on WiiU tbh, i will continue to play them on my PS3 or 360 (unless they improve on WiiU) and then on my PS4 or 720.

My WiiU was and still is for exclusives only at this time.

If you want powerful new tech then by all means wait for a PS4 / 720, i just don't see why you waste your time arguing about WiiU hardware, day in, day out.

Did you really expect a powerhouse console after DS, Wii and 3DS, if you did your a fool.

Coming into this thread trying to make out we are all stupid because we talked about the possibility of an ~1TF GPU over a year ago in the WUST just makes you look like the troll you are.

As soon as we saw the power brick at E3 everyone expected exactly what we got (A slower clocked Tri Core CPU, 2GB's of Ram and a GPU at least twice as powerful as the 360's).

What you are doing is trolling, plain and simple and i don't know why you are allowed to get away with it.

If you want to discuss the hardware, why they chose that setup, what could be possible on it ect then cool but this constant 'haha, you fools' attitude is really destroying what was a really interesting thread.

There are plenty of other WiiU threads you can troll in, if that's what you want to do with your time.

This thread should be killed with fire imo, there are now 3 WiiU hardware threads, two of them have far more up to date info in their OP's and are from info based on actual tear downs / hacks.
 

MrWisker

Member
How long will you be enjoying those multi-platform games? How long before the well dries up?

As a father of 5 children who all have access to the PS3, XBox 360 and the Wii (and soon to be Wii U once christmas hits) I have to say I was quite surprised at which console had the most use in my house (as far as the children were concerned). The Wii was used all the time, while the Xbox or PS3 were used sparingly for a few lego titles (and Skyrim for the oldest). Little Big Planet though did get a lot of play time. It is too bad that MS and PS3 for the most part did not focus a lot of time on making "quality" family titles. The kids did not really get into the Kinnect thing.

Nintendo is known for the excellent family games that have surprising depth. Xbox and PS3 are known for their excellent mature games (not so much for their family games). Over the next number of years I am sure my kids will be enjoying all of the exclusive WiiU games and also a number of the nicer multi-platform games. When talking with my children about the games I have asked them many times why they preferred the Wii over the HD consoles and they always stated the games were funner on the Wii.

So, at least in my family it is NOT about how powerful a console is and how pretty the graphics are. It is about how fun the games are and so far Nintendo seems to be the only company that constantly creates those family titles that are fun to play (for both the child and the parent).
 

Pistolero

Member
The simple idea of debating whether the WiiU will end up chewing more than the PS3 and 360 have ever done is truly depressing. What is the point, when Orbis-Durango are around the corner, I ask. The whole idea, at least the way I envisaged things, was to provide a plateform powerful enough to host next gen multi titles...with concessions, but still, capable of running them decently. This project does not seem as feasible right now. I don't understand Nintendo, really. They have deep pockets, and they used to propose beautifully designed consoles...LE SIGH...
 
The next Xbox and PlayStation are not "GPU-centric." There are pretty significant things happening with their processor architectures. And at least for Durango, it's not using off the shelf kit, contrary to what many GAF posters have insisted. Even more troublesome for the Wii U, they have much more dedicated GPGPU capabilities which aren't happening on the dedicated GPUs they're packing.

What do you guys think about this? Seems to have gone kinda under the radar, but it destroys much of the speculation in these threads and is from a real, legitimate source. Sounds like many of you were wrong.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The simple idea of debating whether the WiiU will end up chewing more than the PS3 and 360 have ever done is truly depressing. What is the point, when Orbis-Durango are around the corner, I ask. The whole idea, at least the way I envisaged things, was to provide a plateform powerful enough to host next gen multi titles...with concessions, but still, capable of running them decently. This project does not seem as feasible right now. I don't understand Nintendo, really. They have deep pockets, and they used to propose beautifully designed consoles...LE SIGH...

This is the point many folks seem perplexed by, by I think it's really simple.

Wii U seems "beautifully designed" by the standards of their past consoles, including the Gamecube. It's not "shitty" hardware no matter how many people say that because of the forever-moving goal posts of technology. A number of programmers (including a few experts that people want to discount or deride due to "teh Nintendo bias!") love the damn thing.

Nintendo hasn't lost their ability to design anything. The gamepad works beautifully, it's well made, the tech inside that allows it to function for quality gaming is impressive.

You're judging it as non beautifully designed because it's not as powerful as Durango or Orbis, combined with a commonly tilted memory of the past: where Nintendo was "always on par with everyone else, and now they're not so they're stupid". Because nobody seems to factor in Nintendo's market and price range. In the past Nintendo could make a $200 or $250 console package and be roughly on par with everyone else.

Then the game got too expensive for the market Nintendo wants to stay in. So they stayed there, and everyone else moved up to ever more expensive to produce, ever more loss-incurring consoles.

There is a problem with Nintendo's strategy, from the perspective of what are considered hardcore, cutting edge games: they don't deploy hardware anymore capable of hosting those games at a level of complexity that's considered state of the art, presently. In this sense, diminishing returns are in their favor should they survive. Acceptable quality in 3D graphics becomes ever easier to achieve even on "budget" hardware. Regardless of Wii U's ability to downport games from Durango and Orbis, a Wii U game today does not look like a Wii game of 2005. For the games that Wii U will get (whatever they are), they will quite simply come across better, visually, as we move forward. Whereas the Wii aged rapidly because there was a huge leap into a different kind of technology this generation.

This is where Nintendo's stated goal of balancing Wii U between mainstream, family, and "hardcore" may be questionable. Some of their talk (largely from Reggie, remember) about Wii U providing direct competition to other next gen consoles may end up hollow. But at the end of the day, I have to question whether it matters. Had they designed a "generic" console, that was a Gamecube II with a generic controller, they would have been able to shove a bit more of their budget into silicon. But it might not have been enough for direct Durango and Orbis ports to make the hardcore buy a Wii U just because it had some Nintendo games too. So Nintendo would be left with Gamecube 2, doing them no little good, though it would have made a select number of Nintendo fans happy. (The folks who want N64 2, or Gamecube 2, etc)

The funny part is that Nintendo has always chosen "Option C" instead of A or B because that's how they operate. In the past, there just wasn't a sufficient apparent disparity for this to be overly obvious to a lot of people. The SNES sacrificed CPU for advanced visual effects and sound, to better support certain kinds of games. (Like JRPGs, popular at the time.) The N64 sacrificed CD-ROM (and likely Nintendo's domination of the entire console industry) for fast loading and data switching so as not to compromise the design of certain games they wanted to make, that were unlike what anyone else could achieve for some time. The Gamecube sacrificed easy porting from DVD based consoles for custom media and again, fast loading, causing port quality to suffer and losing out on some games entirely. The Wii was their most extreme departure, one I actually disagreed with in part. (Felt they should have been a bit more optimistic about its success, gone for a touch more power for HD output.) Wii U, ironically, returns to a greater balance than the Wii and has more parity with other platforms in a few key ways such as storage media capacity (superior to DVD), a lot of ram (regardless of how it must be used for efficiency), and the components for competitive online functions. And of course, HD capability.

It is just amusing to me that the standard hardcore response to Nintendo remains: "Nintendo so cray cray they do nothing logically". This is asinine. They do make sense, which isn't the same as always making the ideal decision. But they don't service a specific, particular audience exclusively, that apparently has a very narrow field of perception.

Though a big caveat is due to the position they find themselves in, I suspect they have a lot of no-win scenarios in which to make decisions. For example, the Wii U's online suite at launch. Some have actually dismissed it as "laughably bad", which makes me think they have no idea what it really is. For how far Nintendo has to catch up, it's pretty good. But there, there likely were unsavory decisions to make - do they focus on getting a major unique feature like Miiverse ready for launch, or on "checking every box" in a list of Xbox Live-equivalent features? Whether or not they made the right decision depends on opinion, but there are actual reasons and practical constraints related to how these decisions get made.
 
It is just amusing to me that the standard hardcore response to Nintendo remains: "Nintendo so cray cray they do nothing logically". This is asinine. They do make sense, which isn't the same as always making the ideal decision. But they don't service a specific, particular audience exclusively, that apparently has a very narrow field of perception.

It seems to me like a lot of the so called hardcore gamers are just conservative gamers, who want more of the same, only with better graphics. Personally if I have to choose between more of the same, or something new, I tend to choose something new. But fighting over which way is better is so damn dumb and tiring, I can't believe some people here don't have anything better to do...
 

DynamicG

Member
What do you guys think about this? Seems to have gone kinda under the radar, but it destroys much of the speculation in these threads and is from a real, legitimate source. Sounds like many of you were wrong.

When you post things like this, what is your intent. It seems you appear here only to rub the noses of everyone rather than picking out people who made basic statements. Do you think this facilitates good discussion?

Who are the many, specifically?
 

AgentP

Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
What do you guys think about this? Seems to have gone kinda under the radar, but it destroys much of the speculation in these threads and is from a real, legitimate source. Sounds like many of you were wrong.

Where is this from, I'm trying to make sense of it and having little luck. What is the context?
 
When you post things like this, what is your intent. It seems you appear here only to rub the noses of everyone rather than picking out people who made basic statements. Do you think this facilitates good discussion?

Who are the many, specifically?
That post is very relevant to the discussion. Why is it when someone goes back and calls out all the wrong predictions and rumors, they're "rubbing it in" or have malicious intent.

People shouldn't be able to just go around spreading information/rumors/sources without any kind of review after the fact, so when it turns out they're wrong we're just supposed to forget they ever said anything. It's not rubbing it in.
 

DynamicG

Member
Where is this from, I'm trying to make sense of it and having little luck. What is the context?

There were some people in the thread who were overly optimistic about the hardware power of WiiU. Heavy has made it his personal agenda to rub their noses in their supposed piddle spots of exuberant hope.

Problem is he doesn't point to specific people, but wants to shame everyone in this thread. Which is odd since the majority of people who posted in here were tech enthusiasts or people who knew Nintendo's history and were just curious what the specs were going to be.

So instead of PMing the overly optimistic he does these wild west shootout challenges. To me it comes across like this: "Come out here you people who were overly optimistic, I'm going to make sure you know what a loser you were."

Maybe I'm wrong and he just wants to give them all hugs.

That post is very relevant to the discussion. Why is it when someone goes back and calls out all the wrong predictions and rumors, they're "rubbing it in" or have malicious intent.

People shouldn't be able to just go around spreading information/rumors/sources without any kind of review after the fact, so when it turns out they're wrong we're just supposed to forget they ever said anything. It's not rubbing it in.

I do discussion alot in my job. It usually turns out bad if I start out with negative comments or harsh "calling someone to the carpet" language. Which is why I said it wasn't good for discussion. It's totally relevant. You just seem to have extreme difficulty typing in ways that don't' make you sound like a 14year old bully.
 
There were some people in the thread who were overly optimistic about the hardware power of WiiU. Heavy has made it his personal agenda to rub their noses in their supposed piddle spots of exuberant hope.

Problem is he doesn't point to specific people, but wants to shame everyone in this thread. Which is odd since the majority of people who posted in here were tech enthusiasts or people who knew Nintendo's history and were just curious what the specs were going to be.

So instead of PMing the overly optimistic he does these wild west shootout challenges. To me it comes across like this: "Come out here you people who were overly optimistic, I'm going to make sure you know what a loser you were."

Maybe I'm wrong and he just wants to give them all hugs.
Overly optimistic? They were dead wrong even when it wasn't an optimistic prediction. And that post is mainly about Durango and PS4 in relation to Wii U. There have been an abundance of posts in these WUST threads claiming 720/PS4 wouldn't be that big of a leap like this past gen was, that the CPUs for them weren't gonna be anything special, just generic Jaguar cores. These weren't people who were happy-go-lucky optimistic for Nintendo, they were downplaying the next-gen systems. That post, from a real source, refutes those claims. Destroys them. In my opinion, this should be pointed out. If that's rubbing it in, so be it. To me, calling it "rubbing it in" sounds like a cheap excuse to avoid the fallout.
 

wsippel

Banned
Did they say what features? I'm assuming graphical. I can't imagine anything behind the "smoke and mirrors" that the 360/PS3 can't do.
They didn't. But this isn't about imagination. It's simply impossible to tell how something was done just by looking at the results.
 

DynamicG

Member
Overly optimistic? They were dead wrong even when it wasn't an optimistic prediction. And that post is mainly about Durango and PS4 in relation to Wii U. There have been an abundance of posts in these WUST threads claiming 720/PS4 wouldn't be that big of a leap like this past gen was, that the CPUs for them weren't gonna be anything special, just generic Jaguar cores. These weren't people who were happy-go-lucky optimistic for Nintendo, they were downplaying the next-gen systems. That post, from a real source, refutes those claims. Destroys them. In my opinion, this should be pointed out. If that's rubbing it in, so be it. To me, calling it "rubbing it in" sounds like a cheap excuse to avoid the fallout.

What fallout? Did I miss something? It's a game console. They were wrong about the specs? Fallout...really?

Heavy is the Shield. Shielding neogaf from the injustice of overzealous Nintendo Fans.

I seriously can't stop laughing at this. Fallout. You have lots of work to do my friend, you need to find anyone who thought the Dreamcast was going to win the console generation. They were wrong and need to be taught a lesson.
 

DynamicG

Member
Harping on a word choice... that's your response? Fallout, consequences, results, conclusions, review, whatever, you get the point.

My point is there is no fallout. It's meaningless speculation on the internet. If they were right it doesn't matter. If they were wrong it doesn't matter. Do you feel these people need to be taught a lesson? Do you have your newspaper rolled up and ready to go?

You also never addressed my questions about tone. Do you think treating people like dogs that peed on a rug is really going to get them to respond to you?
 
My point is there is no fallout. It's meaningless speculation on the internet. If they were right it doesn't matter. If they were wrong it doesn't matter. Do you feel these people need to be taught a lesson? Do you have your newspaper rolled up and ready to go?


What the fuck are you adding. Besides some sort of meta debate wankery?

This is a discussion forum, where people discuss and debate things. What do you expect?

Anyways. Its pretty clear heavy was right. wiiu is weak.
 

DynamicG

Member
What the fuck are you adding. Besides some sort of meta debate wankery?

This is a discussion forum, where people discuss and debate things. What do you expect?

Anyways. Its pretty clear heavy was right. wiiu is weak.

I guess I'm adding about as much ad you just did.

I'm all about Meta debate wankery, I guess I just can't help myself.

I don't really have much to add, I guess. WiiU is what it is...

btw, someone asked for clarification on Heavy's comment and since I've been reading since the first WUST I figured I could help.
 
My point is there is no fallout. It's meaningless speculation on the internet. If they were right it doesn't matter. If they were wrong it doesn't matter. Do you feel these people need to be taught a lesson? Do you have your newspaper rolled up and ready to go?

You're reading way too much into this, taking words too literally to try to dismiss the point.

What the fuck are you adding. Besides some sort of meta debate wankery?

This is a discussion forum, where people discuss and debate things. What do you expect?

Anyways. Its pretty clear heavy was right. wiiu is weak.
"meta debate wankery"... I'll have to remember that :lol
 

Mastperf

Member
I couldn't care less about multi platform games on WiiU tbh, i will continue to play them on my PS3 or 360 (unless they improve on WiiU) and then on my PS4 or 720.

My WiiU was and still is for exclusives only at this time.

If you want powerful new tech then by all means wait for a PS4 / 720, i just don't see why you waste your time arguing about WiiU hardware, day in, day out.

Did you really expect a powerhouse console after DS, Wii and 3DS, if you did your a fool.

Coming into this thread trying to make out we are all stupid because we talked about the possibility of an ~1TF GPU over a year ago in the WUST just makes you look like the troll you are.

As soon as we saw the power brick at E3 everyone expected exactly what we got (A slower clocked Tri Core CPU, 2GB's of Ram and a GPU at least twice as powerful as the 360's).

What you are doing is trolling, plain and simple and i don't know why you are allowed to get away with it.

If you want to discuss the hardware, why they chose that setup, what could be possible on it ect then cool but this constant 'haha, you fools' attitude is really destroying what was a really interesting thread.

There are plenty of other WiiU threads you can troll in, if that's what you want to do with your time.

This thread should be killed with fire imo, there are now 3 WiiU hardware threads, two of them have far more up to date info in their OP's and are from info based on actual tear downs / hacks.
This is still unknown. The system seems to have trouble with the full-screen transparencies in Black Ops 2 which points to some possible issues.
A developer named ERP on Beyond 3d said.:
It's always hard to determine hardware features from software, but the fact that they aren't running ported 360 games at higher res say to me that WiiU probably has similar fillrate and probably 8 rops, or the bandwidth to EDRAM isn't spectacular

That's not to say the GPU is bad, but after Nintendo's design decisions thus far, I think the safer approach would be to expect it better in some areas and possibly worse in others.
 

dacuk

Member
So many GAFers need to read this...:

Baptism of fire: the knives come out for Wii U

"And so on, and so forth. You don't have to look very far across the games media to find analysis of the business and market cases for Wii U; some of it interesting, although sadly, the vast bulk of it written with all the business and market understanding of a socially ill-adjusted 15 year old who still hasn't quite grasped that his worldview is only one worldview among 7 billion, and that people who like other music, movies, games or hobbies are not necessarily the result of some terrible brain-damaging accident or a widespread failure of abortion policy.

We live in a bit of a bubble in the games media; read enough sparkling repartee about the Wii in your comment threads ("ffs more waggle crap, nintendo sux", et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum) and it's easy to forget the sheer mass of people who bought a Wii and both used and enjoyed it just as much as they expected - a few hours of entertainment here and there, brought out at Christmas or birthdays to keep the family from one another's throats, treated as a light exercise device or a surrogate baby-sitter or a catalyst for drunken dancing.

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tapedeck

Do I win a prize for talking about my penis on the Internet???
So many GAFers need to read this...:

Baptism of fire: the knives come out for Wii U

"And so on, and so forth. You don't have to look very far across the games media to find analysis of the business and market cases for Wii U; some of it interesting, although sadly, the vast bulk of it written with all the business and market understanding of a socially ill-adjusted 15 year old who still hasn't quite grasped that his worldview is only one worldview among 7 billion, and that people who like other music, movies, games or hobbies are not necessarily the result of some terrible brain-damaging accident or a widespread failure of abortion policy.

We live in a bit of a bubble in the games media; read enough sparkling repartee about the Wii in your comment threads ("ffs more waggle crap, nintendo sux", et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum) and it's easy to forget the sheer mass of people who bought a Wii and both used and enjoyed it just as much as they expected - a few hours of entertainment here and there, brought out at Christmas or birthdays to keep the family from one another's throats, treated as a light exercise device or a surrogate baby-sitter or a catalyst for drunken dancing.

"
That was a pretty good read, its refreshing to hear someone just outright say "we dont know".
 

QaaQer

Member
That was a pretty good read, its refreshing to hear someone just outright say "we dont know".

For a supposed biz/industry site, it is troll drivel. But entertaining drivel.

The few reviews of the hardware I've read have been middle of the road, not the ramblings of "socially ill-adjusted 15 year old who still hasn't quite grasped that his worldview is only one worldview among 7 billion, and that people who like other music, movies, games or hobbies are not necessarily the result of some terrible brain-damaging accident or a widespread failure of abortion policy." Although that line is hilarious.

Moreover, who looks to games journos for business analysis?
 

JordanN

Banned
That's what shadow mapping does. And I think TW101 doesn't even use shadow mapping a lot of it seems pre-baked, which only makes sense with the fixed perspective and 60 fps.
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The-Wonderful-101-Screenshot.jpg

^ see the shadows overlapping
Actually, I don't think this is necessarily proof. I replayed Sunshine today and I noticed there where many spots where Mario's shadow overlapped another objects shadow. Also, how did I know it's not prebaked? Some shadows were blatantly low res and unaffected by aliasing.
 
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