[Devolution]

Is this a commuter train or a subway? Commuter trains have vestibules and areas where you can pass through. Subways have doors intended only for mta personnel. Like no cover above you and just completely exposed. Which was it?

Seriously I'm so confused. He said he moved between trains while it wasn't in motion, which I assume is more safe if the traveling between cars is a no no but then if a car is full and the doors are closed how the hell do you move to another car?

[1cmanny1]

If you know it is breaking the law, why would you do it?

[Visualante2]

Man the ones on the London underground look like fucking death traps. I figure that safety notice is there for good reason. I don't see why you should get such a hefty fine though... I mean you risked your life not really risking other people's.

Money making scheme at the heart of it. Just like parking tickets.

[thetrin]

Seriously I'm so confused. He said he moved between trains while it wasn't in motion, which I assume is more safe if the traveling between cars is a no no but then if a car is full and the doors are closed how the hell do you move to another car?

I assume you're supposed to get out and then go back in. Seems stupid to me.

[Natetan]

i hate systems that dont allow walking between cars. london, chicago, nyc are all like that. what if you need to get to the other end of the train? suck it up.

stupid. why dont they make rolling stock that allows passengers to go between cars without it being dangerous? its just lazy.

[brokenbeans]

What law did you break, doing that is common in the UK?

If this happened in the UK it would be page 12 news in the Sun.

[KHarvey16]

Seriously I'm so confused. He said he moved between trains while it wasn't in motion, which I assume is more safe if the traveling between cars is a no no but then if a car is full and the doors are closed how the hell do you move to another car?

On a subway you can't. You open that door and you're literally outside. It isn't meant for passenger use at all. On regular commuter trains though, they are. It's like an Amtrak train with nice pass troughs and sliding doors. Subways have none of that and signs all over telling you not to even attempt to open it.

[Friedreich]

You can't walk in between subway cars. In motion or no.

[Haly]

Shit, and I thought all those new warnings were meaningless.

Thanks for the warning, OP.

[MrOogieBoogie]

Cops seemed really cool. If you apologized instead of trying to make them feel bad for giving you a ticket you deserved, you might have got off the hook. If you expect us to sympathize, at least lie and say they were dicks. Sheesh.

Like I said, I'm only venting. Don't expect anything of you guys.

I guess I just hate feeling like a criminal. It's such a shitty feeling to me having someone put you in that position, asking if you've ever been "arrested." Does anyone else get this way? It could be over the smallest thing ever, like this, but it was fucking embarrassing being called over by him in a crowded train. I hate it, and it makes me feel disgusting.

[BigJonsson]

Don't break the rules if you don't want to get ticketed

Blame yourself, not the transit cop

[Devolution]

I assume you're supposed to get out and then go back in. Seems stupid to me.

Seems real stupid. You have to basically walk down to the car with less people on the platform rather than get on where ever you are and walk from car to car on the train?

On a subway you can't. You open that door and you're literally outside. It isn't meant for passenger use at all. On regular commuter trains though, they are. It's like an Amtrak train with nice pass troughs and sliding doors. Subways have none of that and signs all over telling you not to even attempt to open it.

I guess newer metros are just better then. The muni metro in SF is pretty open.

[MickeyKnox]

What. I'm so confused. The trains I've been on there is no such rule.

This is about NYC subway trains, not commuter rail lines.

The way the cars are connected makes it a hazard to walk through and would raise the city's liability in the case of accidents.

Here's what the space between cars looks like:

http://youtu.be/7pUVckWQVkk

[Devolution]

This is about NYC subway trains, not commuter rail lines. The way the cars are connected makes it a hazard to walk through and would raise the city's liability in the case of accidents. Here's what the space between cars looks like: http://youtu.be/7pUVckWQVkk

Then what the hell is the OP doin'.

[Wiggler]

Sounds like a form of entrapment to me. I mean, if those doors are accessible to anyone who wants to open them and walk through, what's stopping them?

[Trouble]

[BigJonsson]

New subway trains in Toronto are good for walking from one end to the other





It goes on and on and on and on :)

[Roger Danish]

Then what the hell is the OP doin'.

People walk from car-to-car all the time. Sounds like they only recently started cracking down on this?

[SMT]

I remember I was a kid once and I just had gotten dairyqueen, my mom rolled down the windows in the car as she hadn't had the time to change the coolant in the air-conditioner, out of chance, my napkin flew out of the window.

Shortly thereafter, a wild fatcop appeared on his motorbike, stopped my mom and gave her a $200 ticket for littering, she started crying and the cop said I had torn up the napkin into shards when I said the napkin flew-out (fucking lied), but my mom would have surely noticed that as she looking at me and telling me to watch the seating. Right then and then there, I decided that fatcop didn't deserve to live.

I still haven't found that cop since, but when I do find him, I will go Wei Shen on his fatass.

[BigJonsson]

Sounds like a form of entrapment to me. I mean, if those doors are accessible to anyone who wants to open them and walk through, what's stopping them?

Used for staff or emergency situations.......

[Natetan]

On a subway you can't. You open that door and you're literally outside. It isn't meant for passenger use at all. On regular commuter trains though, they are. It's like an Amtrak train with nice pass troughs and sliding doors. Subways have none of that and signs all over telling you not to even attempt to open it.

It's actually not a universal case. I can't think of a single train or subway in Japan that doesn't allow passengers tp walk between cars.

[Haly]

People walk from car-to-car all the time. Sounds like they only recently started cracking down on this?

It's always been "discouraged" but they've recently gotten more stringent about it i guess.

[Devolution]

People walk from car-to-car all the time. Sounds like they only recently started cracking down on this?

Well I get that people walk from car to car all of the time but I can at least respect the reason they are cracking down after seeing that video.

[MickeyKnox]

Then what the hell is the OP doin'.

He opened the doors at the end of one car, passed through the space depicted in the video, opened the doors of the next car and walked into a bunch of cops.

It's like pulling up to a red light, revving your engine and gunning down a street where a cop car is parked in plain view.

Then bitching about a speeding ticket.

[Kccitystar]

Why are there still trains where train cars don't have vestibules? What rickety ass shit are these cities running?

That's because the way the train tracks are laid out in this city have sharp curves that won't allow for vestibules. Long Island Railroad/Metro North Railroad on the other hand....

[Deified Data]

How could I not be whiny? It's such a bullshit quote filler ticket. I didn't do it in a whiny tone if that's what you mean. I just straight up told him, "Dude, this fucking blows," and then stopped talking and waited for him to give me my ticket. I didn't raise my voice. I didn't make a scene. And I was walking through the doors to enter the last car since that's where the exit is at the next stop, which I was getting off at.

I don't understand how "this fucking blows" doesn't sound whiny to you.

[Devolution]

He opened the doors at the end of one car, passed through the space depicted in the video, opened the doors of the next car and walked into a bunch of cops.

Nah I understand that but given how that looks I get the crackdown. The subways I've been on have actual passages, BART, SF MUNI, etc.

It's like pulling up to a red light, revving your engine and gunning down a street where a cop car is parked in plain view. Then bitching about a speeding ticket.

lol

[MrOogieBoogie]

I don't understand how "this fucking blows" doesn't sound whiny to you.

Maybe I didn't say it like that, fine. It was more like, "Man, whatever, this really sucks."

Anyway, I feel better right now. Thanks, GAF.

[salva]

$75? More like idiot tax.

Kidding, but you do sound like a dick, OP. It sounds like the cop didn't actually want to give you the ticket but he had to.

[Deified Data]

Maybe I didn't say it like that, fine. It was more like, "Man, whatever, this really sucks." Anyway, I feel better right now. Thanks, GAF.

Sorry for giving you a hard time, I know what it's like living paycheck-to-paycheck.

[KHarvey16]

My favorite train story: as the train is pulling out of the station a guy runs and jumps into the open entrance. A conductor sees him and starts yelling, calling him an asshole in the process of their exchange. They talk it through and both calm down. After a bit of a pause the guy who jumped said he didn't appreciate being called an asshole and would like the conductor to apologize. The conductor looked him right in the eye and told him: "I don't apologize to every asshole that gets on my train."

[MrOogieBoogie]

$75? More like idiot tax. Kidding, but you do sound like a dick, OP. It sounds like the cop didn't actually want to give you the ticket but he had to.

They always "have to." Which is just code for, "gots quotas to fill."

[Nocebo]

Were you in a hurry or something? Was getting to the exit like 10 seconds earlier really that important to you?

[MickeyKnox]

Nah I understand that but given how that looks I get the crackdown. The subways I've been on have actual passages, BART, SF MUNI, etc. lol

It's not a crackdown, it's not taking half a second to look through the windows on the doors of an empty 2am subway car before walking through them and seeing cops who are in transit to another location hanging out.

[salva]

They always "have to." Which is just code for, "gots quotas to fill."

Do they really have a quota?

[MickeyKnox]

They always "have to." Which is just code for, "gots quotas to fill."

Geeeeeet the fuck outa here with that shit.

There are PLENTY of quotas to fill incidents with the NYPD, this is not one of those moments.

[SMT]

Do they really have a quota?

As a criminologist, I have to say yes, it is the truth.

A cop's efficiency is determined by the number of tickets he fills out.

Nothing less.

[SteveWinwood]

You didn't have to give them your ID.

Just sayin'.

[effingvic]

New subway trains in Toronto are good for walking from one end to the other It goes on and on and on and on :)

these look really nice. looks like its mostly standing space too, which is good. i think the MTA cleared some sitting space on certain trains so more people would be able to fit in during rush times.

looks long as hell. how do these turn? or do they just run straight?

[squidyj]

I'm one stop away from getting off, when I decide to go through the train car doors toward the back of the train while it's still stationed at the current stop. Fat cop and his fellow officer see me, call me over, and I have to walk through the aisle among the other passengers feeling like a fucking idiot criminal. I get out, and he's like, "Hey, you ever been arrested before?" I tell him, "No." The rest of the conversation pretty much went like this: Him: "Can I see your ID?" Me: "Sure. Is this about walking through the doors?" Him: "Yeah. The MTA has us really enforcing these rules." *reads off my information to someone over the radio, then hands my ID to the other guy* Me: "Dude, come on, can I just get a warning?" Him: "I'm sorry, but with all the cameras watching us, I have to write you up." Me: "Look, I know you're doing your job, but you have to understand that this really fucking sucks from my perspective." Him: "I know, man, I hate doing it. Listen, we won't give you a court order summons. You can just mail in your fine. That's the best I could do. It's $75, and it doesn't go on your record or anything." Me: "$75? Really? Come on, man... Fuck, that's killer. I don't have $75 just lying around." Then he goes on and on about how I can call up the number on the back or call the MTA and they might give me a discount, spouting some bullshit story about how he knew someone who did that. And I knew it was bullshit because he was nervous and stuttering the entire time when earlier he was cool and collected. At some point I was just like, "I get it, you're doing your job, but you and I both know that no matter who I call absolutely nothing will happen and I'll end up paying the full $75. Whatever." Then there was awkward silence for a while as the slow-ass motherfucker finished writing up my ticket. I respect cops, and I respect what they do (most of the time), but my god I can't help but feel like I was the victim of an absolutely bullshit quota filler ticket. They could have gotten their message across just as well with a little warning. And before some of you white knights give me shit about how, "Well, you broke the law, you deserve to be butt-fucked in prison," fuck off. As if you've never felt screwed over by the law at some point. Yeah, I'm pissed, but as someone who rides the subway always and to have this happen... man, it blows.

You lost any sympathy you might have had from me with that fucking concert thread.

New subway trains in Toronto are good for walking from one end to the other It goes on and on and on and on :)

Is that a Toronto subway or the starship enterprise?

[Karsticles]

Do they really have a quota?

You bet. They're here to protect the public, you know. Cops have to cite a certain number of civilians for minor offenses to keep the revenue flowing!

[SteveWinwood]

Also whenever I hear about the mta or subways all I can think about is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VMSGrY-IlU

[MrOogieBoogie]

Watching a girl get her butthole tattooed on WSHH.

Just what I need.

[kitch9]

The one that says you're not allowed to move between cars unless it's an emergency and is posted up EVERYWHERE. And the cop did you a favor believe it or not, that could have easily been a court summons, at which point not only are you paying a ticket but you have to lose an entire day of your life showing up.

Ok, if that is the case then the OP is stupid and whining about nothing.

[El Sloth]

They always "have to." Which is just code for, "gots quotas to fill."

Oh, please.


You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, son. Nothing more to it.


And this isn't some sort of recent crackdown. It's been this way for a good long while now. Sure, people cross between the trains all the time. Especially the charity workers, performers, beggars, etc. But you will always get a ticket if you get caught by a cop on patrol or a transit cop.

[Nocebo]

My favorite train story: as the train is pulling out of the station a guy runs and jumps into the open entrance. A conductor sees him and starts yelling, calling him an asshole in the process of their exchange. They talk it through and both calm down. After a bit of a pause the guy who jumped said he didn't appreciate being called an asshole and would like the conductor to apologize. The conductor looked him right in the eye and told him: "I don't apologize to every asshole that gets on my train."

I once got yelled at by a passenger for opening the door to get in while the train was in motion and leaving the platform. He probably thought I broke the door or something. He was pulling on the door as if it could fly open at any time now. As I turned to walk away from him he got in front of me and tried to block me from going down the hallway saying he wouldn't allow me to enter the traincar. It was really bizarre.

[DrBo42]

I'm one stop away from getting off, when I decide to go through the train car doors toward the back of the train while it's still stationed at the current stop. Fat cop and his fellow officer see me, call me over, and I have to walk through the aisle among the other passengers feeling like a fucking idiot criminal. I get out, and he's like, "Hey, you ever been arrested before?" I tell him, "No." The rest of the conversation pretty much went like this: Him: "Can I see your ID?" Me: "Sure. Is this about walking through the doors?" Him: "Yeah. The MTA has us really enforcing these rules." *reads off my information to someone over the radio, then hands my ID to the other guy* Me: "Dude, come on, can I just get a warning?" Him: "I'm sorry, but with all the cameras watching us, I have to write you up." Me: "Look, I know you're doing your job, but you have to understand that this really fucking sucks from my perspective." Him: "I know, man, I hate doing it. Listen, we won't give you a court order summons. You can just mail in your fine. That's the best I could do. It's $75, and it doesn't go on your record or anything." Me: "$75? Really? Come on, man... Fuck, that's killer. I don't have $75 just lying around." Then he goes on and on about how I can call up the number on the back or call the MTA and they might give me a discount, spouting some bullshit story about how he knew someone who did that. And I knew it was bullshit because he was nervous and stuttering the entire time when earlier he was cool and collected. At some point I was just like, "I get it, you're doing your job, but you and I both know that no matter who I call absolutely nothing will happen and I'll end up paying the full $75. Whatever." Then there was awkward silence for a while as the slow-ass motherfucker finished writing up my ticket. I respect cops, and I respect what they do (most of the time), but my god I can't help but feel like I was the victim of an absolutely bullshit quota filler ticket. They could have gotten their message across just as well with a little warning. And before some of you white knights give me shit about how, "Well, you broke the law, you deserve to be butt-fucked in prison," fuck off. As if you've never felt screwed over by the law at some point. Yeah, I'm pissed, but as someone who rides the subway always and to have this happen... man, it blows.

I feel like you got off pretty easy. The fines here in LA are $250 for pretty much anything against Metro rules.

[salva]

They always "have to." Which is just code for, "gots quotas to fill."

I don't know, man. I always hear people using the "quotas to fill" excuse but they never prove it.

[CommonSense]

Sucks you got caught OP but them's the bricks.

I was riding the RTA to downtown Cleveland during construction and the Casino opening and I watched a poor guy get hit with over 1,000 dollars in fines in a little over 3 minutes for refusing to move his bike to the front of the train car. Well I should say that was his initial offense...spitting at a cop and kicking a window accounted for 75% of the fine....

moral of the story...there is always someone stupider than you! :-)

[Escape Goat]

As if you've never felt screwed over by the law at some point.

Yeah, man, you totally got screwed over by the law. This is some outrageous shit here.