[Air]

If op went to get my wife and she had sex with him I sure wouldn't be mad at him. You aren't homewrecking, if a taken women cheated with me(assuming I'm not married) she was going to cheat eventually, might as well be with me

Would you do this to a close friends SO, or does it only apply to people you couldn't care about (obvs because they were doing something wrong?) you and op lack empathy. I doubt you'd be high fiveing the guy or giving him daps screaming "yeah bro tear that pussy up" after he slept with your girlfriend.

This is like one of the most basic of "no-no's" here because you're mixing yourself in another persons relationship potentially causing pain. Regardless if the other person was going to cheat or not, there's billions of other people for you to screw, why exactly go for someone in a relationship? Must you get your dick wet that bad? Word?

[Amon37]

Again if my gf was committed she wouldn't sleep with another guy be it close friend or stranger and if she did I'd be glad I found out she was a cheating bitch and my friend could have her.

[Jea Song]

There's many factors in this.

Sometimes people can't help but be attracted to each other. Simple as that.

Maybe it's a physical attraction, mental, money, relationship problems, need to feel better about themselves, just plain whores....ect.

Id say the sliggtly more guilty one is the person who knowingly goes after someone who is taken. I only say slightly more because they are usually the ones who initiate the whole thing. The other person is guilty here too don't get me wrong. I mean they were willing to cheat but maybe just waiting for the right moment.

Just my own thoughts. Perhaps they both are equally wrong.

[echoshifting]

I'm married and pretty ambivalent towards this attitude. Everyone has to live by his or her own code. I could never live with myself but that's me. It sounds to me like you are trying to work through some powerful cognitive dissonance, but I could easily be wrong.

Everybody has free will. There's no such thing as a "taken" woman, or man for that matter. It's not your fault if you successfully seduce someone's spouse...they wanted to be seduced. It takes two. You are correct to say you are not responsible for the emotional well-being of other people, though I think it should be noted that you have your own limits as well (i.e., no friends, no families). You just have less than many here...though I suspect that many who condemn you would at least consider acting on temptation if the circumstances were right. It's not like cheating is this incredibly rare event that only the most depraved individuals engage in. The suggestion that you are a sociopath doesn't hold water, particularly when the argument relies on ruling out the parts of your post that do not fit that narrative.

What I'd like to know is what you would do if you seduce her and he's...into it?

[TheKaeptain]

Get in where you fit in bro.

[Devolution]

Would you do this to a close friends SO, or does it only apply to people you couldn't care about (obvs because they were doing something wrong?) you and op lack empathy. I doubt you'd be high fiveing the guy or giving him daps screaming "yeah bro tear that pussy up" after he slept with your girlfriend. This is like one of the most basic of "no-no's" here because you're mixing yourself in another persons relationship potentially causing pain. Regardless if the other person was going to cheat or not, there's billions of other people for you to screw, why exactly go for someone in a relationship? Must you get your dick wet that bad? Word?

The SO ultimately has a choice and can speak for his or herself hence the idea that people aren't territories.

[RiccochetJ]

Seduce means you're willingly fucking with people's emotions.

[Blackace]

my rule was never married women.

if they weren't married and I didn't know the other guy, fair game.

But in retrospect it wasn't a good code to live by..

because someone always catches feelings, and I found that if the lady wanted to be with me I could never trust her.. because you know she cheated on her last bf.. vicious circle.

[Air]

The SO ultimately has a choice and can speak for his or herself hence the idea that people aren't territories.

It's not about treating people as territory, it's about being empathetic.

[Rayis]

If you insist and she was unwilling and you somehow convinced her, yes, If she came to you by her own account, not really, but I wouldn't encourage it

[Deified Data]

Is it wrong? Sure. But the seducer isn't as much to blame as the seduced in such a scenario.

[Copernicus]

Is it wrong? Yes on a moral level.

Should everyone do it? Fuck yes, on a primal level you will never find a better feeling that being inside someone who is practicing infidelity.

Especially when they are on the phone with their spouse.

[TheKaeptain]

my rule was never married women. if they weren't married and I didn't know the other guy, fair game. But in retrospect it wasn't a good code to live by.. because someone always catches feelings, and I found that if the lady wanted to be with me I could never trust her.. because you know she cheated on her last bf.. vicious circle.

Yeah that's horrible. I've had it happen. In fact most of my relationships were like this. The doubt is always there too.

[Ghost_Protocol]

If you insist and she was unwilling and you somehow convinced her, yes, If she came to you by her own account,not really, but I wouldn't encourage it

Lol, what the fuck? It's time for me to go to bed.

[Blackace]

Is it wrong? Yes on a moral level. Should everyone do it? Fuck yes, on a primal level you will never find a better feeling that being inside someone who is practicing infidelity. Especially when they are on the phone with their spouse.

Nothing about this post is hot

[Bay Maximus]

I think you have understand that you have to respect other people's territory. What goes around comes around. You don't want some dude to be grinding his shit up against your SO when you are married later in life.

Since when did we start owning people again?

Egging somebody on to do something shitty is not a good act. It is a bad act. It doesn't absolve the person doing the act of blame, but that doesn't make it a good thing. If you stand next to your friend and encourage them to kick a puppy, you're a asshole. Your friend's a puppy-kicking asshole, and you're a puppy-kicking-encouraging asshole. Seducing someone in a relationship doesn't make you a cheater, but it makes you someone who encourages cheating.

A puppy would have no means to defend itself. A person can opt out of a failing relationship. If that person doesn't know about an infidelity, the onus is on the person in the relationship to tell his/her mate.

If a guy takes out a bad car loan on a sparkling new Audi without consent of his wife, should the dealer have to call and break it to his wife?

[Evolved1]

Do what you want. People aren't property.

[SouthernDragon]

Egging somebody on to do something shitty is not a good act. It is a bad act. It doesn't absolve the person doing the act of blame, but that doesn't make it a good thing. If you stand next to your friend and encourage them to kick a puppy, you're a asshole. Your friend's a puppy-kicking asshole, and you're a puppy-kicking-encouraging asshole. Seducing someone in a relationship doesn't make you a cheater, but it makes you someone who encourages cheating.

Agreed.

To put it another way, if someone is on a diet, I'd be an asshole if I offer them chocolate cake.

[Style Fox]

Just seems like a dick thing to do. It's like picking up a wallet that's laying on the ground and keeping it all while telling yourself "some other guy was gonna come along and take it so why not me".

[Chrono]

Not if he agrees...

http://www.nerve.com/dispatches/ma/cuckold

I found that article after someone on gaf was bragging about his phone and posted some screencaps of it, some of which were of a porn site video with 'cuckold' in the title, a google search later and my mind was completely blown. Ah, internet.

[Evolved1]

Agreed. To put it another way, if someone is on a diet, I'd be an asshole if I offer them chocolate cake.

Yeah... better to have bland than something that will actually make you happy.

[Amon37]

Agreed. To put it another way, if someone is on a diet, I'd be an asshole if I offer them chocolate cake.

Not even close but still it all comes down to willingness.

[Devolution]

It's not about treating people as territory, it's about being empathetic.

If you get to know other's situations getting them to end their relationship is sometimes a good thing. It seems people are acting under the assumption that the SO and the "seducer" are acting completely out of selfish physical needs.

[Copernicus]

Nothing about this post is hot

What if I told you we frequented a nude beach frequently during sunrise and ngaf?

[Amon37]

Just seems like a dick thing to do. It's like picking up a wallet that's laying on the ground and keeping it all while telling yourself "some other guy was gonna come along and take it so why not me".

Not really, stealing is illegal.

[Thunder Monkey]

It's not when I do it.

[JokerOfSpades]

Do you. But beware of the consequences.

[RiccochetJ]

my rule was never married women. if they weren't married and I didn't know the other guy, fair game. But in retrospect it wasn't a good code to live by.. because someone always catches feelings, and I found that if the lady wanted to be with me I could never trust her.. because you know she cheated on her last bf.. vicious circle.

Still kinda low what you did tbh.

[Style Fox]

Not really, stealing is illegal.

Jesus way to completely overlook the point I was trying to make. It was never about the legality of what he was doing.

[ThisWreckage]

Do as you wish. You may not act out of self-interest, and others may live by some arbitrary code of morality, but do not expect other people to do the right thing.

[Air]

If you get to know other's situations getting them to end their relationship is sometimes a good thing. It seems people are acting under the assumption that the SO and the "seducer" are acting completely out of selfish physical needs.

Why is it your business to end their relationship? Couldn't you offer advice instead of seducing the person? What else would the seduced act be if not selfish physical needs?

"Honey I cheated on you because I love you!"

What if the person actually wants that relationship to work? We all falter, so why shrug it off as if it were supposed to happen? The assumption you seem to be going by seems like a case I'm not familiar with and I can't speak for it, but I think the common route would be categorized as "selfish physical need".

[Jea Song]

Iv done some pretty messed up things regarding this topic. But in the end I basically did the right thing.

[nhlducks35]

Not really, stealing is illegal.

But how is that stealing?

[Chrono]

Do as you wish. You may not act out of self-interest, and others may live by some arbitrary code of morality, but do not expect other people to do the right thing.

ThisWreckage, have you checked your PMs? I sent you one a while ago, I'm not sure if you just didn't want to reply or don't know about it. [/OT]

[RiccochetJ]

Not really, stealing is illegal.

Stealing is illegal! Please clarify what you're talking about when it comes to humans.

[squidyj]

this is.... Look, if you wind up sleeping with someone like that without realizing beforehand, that's one thing. If you're going around working at seducing people you know are taken then you're a fucking sleazeball.

[Bay Maximus]

Would you do this to a close friends SO, or does it only apply to people you couldn't care about (obvs because they were doing something wrong?) you and op lack empathy. I doubt you'd be high fiveing the guy or giving him daps screaming "yeah bro tear that pussy up" after he slept with your girlfriend.

My life isn't some hood porno, I wouldn't do this in any situation. So....I guess you're right about that?

Seduce means you're willingly fucking with people's emotions.

Not meant to insult but are you a virgin? People enjoy seduction. There's an entire literary genre built on it.

[Lionel Mandrake]

Be a fucking adult, and agree to share the woman sexually. Have a nice, casual meeting in a mutual location and come to terms that everyone feels is satisfactory sexually. Then both you and he have your agreed upon times wherein you can have sex with her... sexually.

[Alphahawk]

So you just fucked a guy's GF and you're trying to justify it now, huh?

[Air]

My life isn't some hood porno, I wouldn't do this in any situation. So....I guess you're right about that?

That part wasn't directed at you. The lack of basic empathy comment was though along with the rest of the post you actually didn't address.

[Atrus]

If you get to know other's situations getting them to end their relationship is sometimes a good thing. It seems people are acting under the assumption that the SO and the "seducer" are acting completely out of selfish physical needs.

This is called manipulation and manipulating people is considered an art form in as much as it is exploitative. Rarely is this 'seducer' aiming to pair the individual with someone other than themselves.

People should stay out of other people's relationships except where clear emotional and physical harm is certain.

[Amon37]

Stealing is illegal! Please clarify what you're talking about when it comes to humans.

Your not stealing anything because the person is a willing participant as opposed to an inanimate object which has no choice of who picks it up and what they do with it

[Evolved1]

So you just fucked a guy's GF and you're trying to justify it now, huh?

Interesting how you put that...

[Blackace]

Still kinda low what you did tbh.

How so? If a woman told me "I have a bf, sorry." I walk away... I have my code, meaning I never dated married women. But ultimately how am I responsible for woman's actions to a person I don't know?

[Blackace]

So you just fucked a guy's GF and you're trying to justify it now, huh?

GF, is some legal binding thing?

[PigSpeakers]

Movies have taught me that you'll end up winning over your one true love at the end, and the person that they were going to marry either throws their hands up saying "Well, howdy doo, ya can't fight true love!" or they get their comeuppance and something terrible happens to them because THEY DESERVED IT.

[squidyj]

If you get to know other's situations getting them to end their relationship is sometimes a good thing. It seems people are acting under the assumption that the SO and the "seducer" are acting completely out of selfish physical needs.

If you're not willing to be up front about it to your SO and sleep around first then yeah, you are acting completely out of your own selfishness, maybe not physical need but definitely your own selfishness and anyone who is doing the seducing is not exactly someone who's input is necessarily all that trustworthy in the situation to begin with.

[clearacell]

My g/f gets hit on all the damned time...she is very pretty and it should be expected that guys would be creeping on her. Both of us know we aren't leaving each other, we are very secure in this. She actually laughs at their attempts to hit on her when she talks about their stories...remember, girls aren't dumb, they know what guys are doing.

[Devolution]

Why is it your business to end their relationship? Couldn't you offer advice instead of seducing the person? What else would the seduced act be if not selfish physical needs? "Honey I cheated on you because I love you!" What if the person actually wants that relationship to work? We all falter, so why shrug it off as if it were supposed to happen? The assumption you seem to be going by seems like a case I'm not familiar with and I can't speak for it, but I think the common route would be categorized as "selfish physical need".

It's no one's business to end it but if the person is seeking certain kinds of intimacy elsewhere, and that isn't just sex, getting them to re-evaluate their relationship isn't a bad thing. But who am I kidding these threads are all about paranoia and accusations.

This is called manipulation and manipulating people is considered an art form in as much as it is exploitative. Rarely is this 'seducer' aiming to pair the individual with someone other than themselves. People should stay out of other people's relationships except where clear emotional and physical harm is certain.

Are your SO's dipshits who are easily manipulated into cheating? If that's the case why would you want to be with them anyway?

If you're not willing to be up front about it to your SO and sleep around first then yeah, you are acting completely out of your own selfishness, maybe not physical need but definitely your own selfishness and anyone who is doing the seducing is not exactly someone who's input is necessarily all that trustworthy in the situation to begin with.

I've already qualified that physical cheating or instigating it makes you a douche but it's not that simple outside of those instances.

[Copernicus]

The primary problem with these situations is the cheater isn't honest with the themselves and their partners about their sexuality.

Some people aren't meant to be monogamous but they fool themselves to believing it, be it through pressure or self doubt.

I know more than a few couple who are swingers and they are the happiest people on earth. Even as they sit around while other one is out getting gang banged.