[DY_nasty]

they couldn't replicate the vectored thrust, they probably couldn't replicate anything else important either.

Its like Chinese Magic Johnson all over again.

[JetBlackPanda]

The Bald Eagle on the tail fucking seals the deal.

[dalin80]

Didn't the Chinese copy the eurofighter design some time ago but abandoned the project due to the eurofighters designed in dependency on constant software input to keep it flying level as it was deliberately unstable as possible.

I can design an F1 car, doesn't mean I could fit anything inside that would approach 30s of a HRT's performance let alone the fine intricacies that let the top teams drive away into the distance of the 99% similar looking backmarker.

[DonasaurusRex]

In related news, Is the F-22/35 now considered a failure because of development and costs problems?

...the f22 is a totally different plane than the f 35. The raptor may be considered a failure because it was expensive so if you lose one vs one of your enemies yeah its not worth it. The F 35 however the JSF was more affordable from the gate and will serve all 4 branches of the military. Maybe the navy version is going to take a long time because they ahve to deal with salt water being an extra problem.

[Smellycat]

I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. jet parts are made in China and assembled in the U.S. haha


Wasn't there an article talking about how China included jamming signal in some U.S. military equipment that are made in former country?

[Souldriver]

Didn't the Chinese copy the eurofighter design some time ago but abandoned the project due to the eurofighters designed in dependency on constant software input to keep it flying level as it was deliberately unstable as possible.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Can you elaborate a bit, please?

[Wubby]

Well at least the oxygen system on their copy works I bet.

[Sethos]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Can you elaborate a bit, please?

It's pretty damn clear what he's saying, the Eurofighter Typhoon is an extremely unstable aircraft left on its own devices - However it's kept in the air by computers and software, making constant calculations and adjustments a pilot would never be able to. So copying that plane without nailing the computer part would make it a disaster plane - Hence they copied it but had to abandon it as they were missing the important part of it all.

[dalin80]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Can you elaborate a bit, please?

A eurofighter is in essence too unstable to fly there is no possible way for a pilot to make the hundreds of tiny adjustments constantly required to stop it tumbling out of the air uncontrolled, this is a good thing in a air superiority fighter as that instability makes it manoeuvre at insane G's both positive and negative however a advanced suite of electronics is required to keep it under control and prevent the plane from turning into a lawn dart 10 feet after the runway. So what you end up with is a plane that is easy to fly but with incredible performance, the Chinese supposedly made a copy but had to abandon it due to not being able to overcome the electronics required.

[Escape Goat]

A lot of the stuff China/Russia copy looks similar on the outside but on the inside its botched and shit gone wrong.

[davepoobond]

where do you think we made our planes to begin with?

[Souldriver]

It's pretty damn clear what he's saying, the Eurofighter Typhoon is an extremely unstable aircraft left on its own devices - However it's kept in the air by computers and software, making constant calculations and adjustments a pilot would never be able to. So copying that plane without nailing the computer part would make it a disaster plane - Hence they copied it but had to abandon it as they were missing the important part of it all.

A eurofighter is in essence too unstable to fly there is no possible way for a pilot to make the hundreds of tiny adjustments constantly required to stop it tumbling out of the air uncontrolled, this is a good thing in a air superiority fighter as that instability makes it manoeuvre at insane G's both positive and negative however a advanced suite of electronics is required to keep it under control and prevent the plane from turning into a lawn dart 10 feet after the runway. So what you end up with is a plane that is easy to fly but with incredible performance, the Chinese supposedly made a copy but had to abandon it due to not being able to overcome the electronics required.

That's pretty awesome. Thanks for the piece of info. :)

[TheSeks]

Except theirs will crash shortly after take-off like all Chinese knock-offs.

It's a joke, settle down.

[Hellion]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=231 China plundering US military tech and producing knock-offs is nothing new but always makes me smile at how blatent it is.

So... USA just got hustled.

[Cyrillus]

What, the US has patents on angled aluminum now?

If you can KIRF a phone, you can KIRF a jet!

[Gray Man]

Good on them, its still not as cool as...

[Sethos]

Good on them, its still not as cool as...

The Osprey is badass.

[tatsuki]

what's next... stealth blackhawks?

[jchap]

[Mondriaan]

...the f22 is a totally different plane than the f 35. The raptor may be considered a failure because it was expensive so if you lose one vs one of your enemies yeah its not worth it. The F 35 however the JSF was more affordable from the gate and will serve all 4 branches of the military. Maybe the navy version is going to take a long time because they ahve to deal with salt water being an extra problem.

It's hard to tell if you're joking about the navy version.

The most difficult variant is apparently the version being developed for the Marines/RAF because STOVL (short take off, vertical landing) is an expensive capability. In particular, wikipedia has this to say about the engine in this variant:

To date, F136 funding has come at the expense of other parts of the program, reducing the number of aircraft built and increasing their costs. The F136 team has claimed that their engine has a greater temperature margin which may prove critical for VTOL operations in hot, high altitude conditions.

[daw840]

You know what's awesome about the F22? It can hijack other planes weapons systems and fire them. From a very long way off too. The F22 is like a cheat code....

[Lonely1]

Is the F-22 design patented?

[deim0s]

You know what's awesome about the F22? It can hijack other planes weapons systems and fire them. From a very long way off too. The F22 is like a cheat code....

wat?

[Slayer-33]

wat?

Gameshark be F-22

[Sethos]

You know what's awesome about the F22? It can hijack other planes weapons systems and fire them. From a very long way off too. The F22 is like a cheat code....

Sy wut

[DY_nasty]

the osprey is flying deathtrap though

[commedieu]

Omg they downloaded a plane!

You wouldn't download a plane..

would you?

[Blastoise]

Man my childhood dream was to be an airforce pilot. I feel sad that it will never happen. I'm going to cry now. Bye.

[manipulate]

Is the F-22 design patented?

..you do realise patenting things involves releasing detailed descriptions of what you're patenting into the public domain, right?

[elkayes]

WW3 will be fought with patents.

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

[DOBERMAN INC]

We'll know how well they're actually progressing with this soon enough,if there's a sudden increase in F-35 and T-50 news.

[Josh7289]

Japanese Mitsubishi ATD-X/F-3

Wow, I didn't know Mitsubishi still made fighter planes.

[godelsmetric]

Is the F-22 design patented?

[Beijing] (laughs)

[Sethos]

Wow, I didn't know Mitsubishi still made fighter planes.

That's not a jet, that is the new lancer.

[daw840]

wat?

Sy wut

Indeed. I have a buddy of mine that was an Air Traffic Controller at Edwards AFB where they fly the F22s all the time....it's fucking sick. It can also hover vertically and go supersonic straight up!

[Sethos]

Indeed. I have a buddy of mine that was an Air Traffic Controller at Edwards AFB where they fly the F22s all the time....it's fucking sick. It can also hover vertically and go supersonic straight up!

I mean "wut" as in I'd like some information on that, a link to something.

[dalin80]

It's hard to tell if you're joking about the navy version. The most difficult variant is apparently the version being developed for the Marines/RAF because STOVL (short take off, vertical landing) is an expensive capability. In particular, wikipedia has this to say about the engine in this variant:

Actually the C / carrier variant is the most problematic and delayed version currently problems with the landing hook not working and the next variant not expected to be ready for another 2 years and the carriage cracking with the stress of landings has delayed it to 2020, 2 years past the estimated B / stovl in service date as its currently working nicely.

The salt water issue required a different coating on the turbine blades which has different heat characteristics but is a well known issue so shouldn't create any real problems.



A buddy of mine flies F-22's and he says they can go supersonic even 1000ft underwater and have a launch base on the moon.

[daw840]

I mean "wut" as in I'd like some information on that, a link to something.

I don't know that there are links around....he told me this a few times while we were hangin out. Probably not real widely spread information.

[Sethos]

I don't know that there are links around....he told me this a few times while we were hangin out. Probably not real widely spread information.

Probably because it's a bunch of bull, because that's the first I hear of it and you'd think something like that would be pretty well covered being so advanced. So unless he's telling you classified information I'm going to need some proof before believing it.

[daw840]

Probably because it's a bunch of bull, because that's the first I hear of it and you'd think something like that would be pretty well covered being so advanced. So unless he's telling you classified information I'm going to need some proof before believing it.

Well, he was in the air force and worked with the F22 all the time. He may be full of shit but IDK.

edit: We were pretty drunk when discussing this, so it may have been some info he wasn't necessarily supposed to share...

[Kenak]

Indeed. I have a buddy of mine that was an Air Traffic Controller at Edwards AFB where they fly the F22s all the time....it's fucking sick. It can also hover vertically and go supersonic straight up!

That is fucking crazy.

[Steelrain]

the osprey is flying deathtrap though

Err.... No its not.

[Sethos]

edit: We were pretty drunk when discussing this, so it may have been some info he wasn't necessarily supposed to share...

or you were so drunk that;

a) You misunderstood him

b) he explained himself poorly

c) both

:P

[daw840]

or you were so drunk that; a) You misunderstood him b) he explained himself poorly c) both :P

lol, I remember pretty clearly what he said....but that is possible.

[Lonely1]

..you do realise patenting things involves releasing detailed descriptions of what you're patenting into the public domain, right?

[ThoseDeafMutes]

In related news, Is the F-22/35 now considered a failure because of development and costs problems?

Depends who you ask. It'll get delivered in the next couple of years and it'll perform great. A lot of people are upset about the outrageous cost overruns, though. The F22 was always going to be expensive and didn't have nearly as many delays / dev problems.

...the f22 is a totally different plane than the f 35. The raptor may be considered a failure because it was expensive so if you lose one vs one of your enemies yeah its not worth it. The F 35 however the JSF was more affordable from the gate and will serve all 4 branches of the military. Maybe the navy version is going to take a long time because they ahve to deal with salt water being an extra problem.

The Raptor ain't a failure, it's a total beast. The problem is that the F35 was supposed to be several times cheaper to build, but in reality it's only like 20-30% cheaper and has far worse performance in several aspects. This is because of massive cost overruns in the project. It's still a good plane, but it's WAY more expensive than it was supposed to be.

[Epcott]

China needs to just stop messing around and make Valkyries...

[daw840]

I do know for a fact though that the F22 has been restricted to 200 miles from it's base because of hypoxia issues that they still haven't been able to fix....not sure of the science behind that though.

[Sethos]

I do know for a fact though that the F22 has been restricted to 200 miles from it's base because of hypoxia issues that they still haven't been able to fix....not sure of the science behind that though.

They just found the reason recently and have fixed / rolling out the fix.

http://www.dailytech.com/USAF+to+Fix...ticle25303.htm

The valve in question connects the plane's onboard oxygen generation system to the vest and inflates the vest to protect pilots during high G maneuvers. However, the valve has a flaw because the vests to be constantly inflated even when the aircraft is operating at lower altitudes where the vest wasn't required.

[maquiladora]

You know what's awesome about the F22? It can hijack other planes weapons systems and fire them. From a very long way off too. The F22 is like a cheat code....

Sounds like a SUTER type system.

I've never heard that the F-22 is equipped with that capabilty, maybe its highly classified, until now! lolz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suter_%...ter_program%29