[Pre]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a military confrontation would necessitate American intervention on Japan's behalf because of some treaty. Is this correct?

I'd rather stay out of it.

[Razgriz-Specter]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a military confrontation would necessitate American intervention on Japan's behalf because of some treaty. Is this correct? I'd rather stay out of it.

yep, If it turned into an actual war.
US would try as hard as they could to down play a skirmish or two otherwise.

[diamount]

Wow, getting a Falklands vibe. Let's not start a war boyos.

[truly101]

I'ma guess this has less to do with some islands as it is national pride fanning the flames of centuries old hatred. There are elements of China that have not forgiven and will not forgive the shit Japan did in WWII. The islands are an excuse.

[Rayis]

Japan and China have had a long history of hating each other, this is just a result of that, I hope this can get settled peacefully

[maquiladora]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a military confrontation would necessitate American intervention on Japan's behalf because of some treaty. Is this correct? I'd rather stay out of it.

I suppose it depends how on you define "act to meet the common danger".

ARTICLE V Each Party recognizes that an armed attack against either Party in the territories under the administration of Japan would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional provisions and processes.

[SniperHunter]

The Chinese are evil. They have so much land, while Japan is a small country located near a major fault line. The Chinese also refuse to free Tibet while claiming more land from India. Let Japan have the island for crying out loud!!

[CaptainSchwann]

yep, If it turned into an actual war. US would try as hard as they could to down play a skirmish or two otherwise.

Well shit. After reading the treaty, it does say that. The U.S. will hopefully have it's eyes on this. War with China would be an absolute catastrophe for us.

[Archer]

The Chinese are evil. They have so much land, while Japan is a small country located near a major fault line. The Chinese also refuse to free Tibet while claiming more land from India. Let Japan have the island for crying out loud!!

China says no.

China has mean generals.

Well shit. After reading the treaty, it does say that. The U.S. will hopefully have it's eyes on this. War with China would be an absolute catastrophe for us.

Between a war with China and Japan, the worldwide prices of nearly everything would skyrocket.

[speculawyer]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a military confrontation would necessitate American intervention on Japan's behalf because of some treaty. Is this correct? I'd rather stay out of it.

Nothing is completely clear. The US could take the position that they don't formally recognize Japan's claim to those rocks and thus if China just invades the rocks then we could say Japan territory was not attacked. I don't know . . . it is all very ambiguous.

[Zyzyxxz]

No war will happen, China will not isolate itself from the world by going to war with Japan.

This is just typical stupid Chinese people. From firsthand experience they are stupidly nationalistic, how will a few small islands benefit their country in the big picture? Probably not much but it's all about face and stupid pride bullshit.

[Ronok]

Nothing is completely clear. The US could take the position that they don't formally recognize Japan's claim to those rocks and thus if China just invades the rocks then we could say Japan territory was not attacked. I don't know . . . it is all very ambiguous.

From Wiki:

Japan's sovereignty over them has been disputed by the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Republic of China (ROC, also known as Taiwan) following the transfer of administration from United States to Japan in 1971.

I'm not really sure they could.

[Anony]

this is why I hate mainland china, it's making all other chinese people look bad
feels bad being chinese right now

[homerule]

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[maquiladora]

Nothing is completely clear. The US could take the position that they don't formally recognize Japan's claim to those rocks and thus if China just invades the rocks then we could say Japan territory was not attacked. I don't know . . . it is all very ambiguous.

I think it would depend on the scale of what happened. A limited skirmish between the two navies would hardly lead to the US stepping it, but in the very unlikely event of something escalating to the point that the Chinese launch a missile attack on a Japanese base, then it would be difficult for the US to stand by.

I don't think we'll ever get to that point though. Too much $ at stake between all the sides here.

[YoungHav]

They can't settle this with a best of 21 Starcraft match?

[lupinko]

They can't settle this with a best of 21 Starcraft match?

Why? Japan doesn't play PC RTS on any level close to the Chinese (or Koreans).

[Kareha]

All this over a pair of fucking rocks in the sea.

[elkayes]

There´s no way this will amount to anything really serious. Still madness.

[braves01]

All this over a pair of fucking rocks in the sea.

With potentially lots of oil underneath them, and two energy-starved nations [China's got coal, but oil/gas are obviously better] fighting for control.

China's govt. is obviously allowing these protests because a.) they're unhappy with the Japanese controlling the islands and b.) anger focused away from them and the slowing economy is a good thing

They need to be careful they don't lose control over the nationalists though. Nationalism is good for political support, but bad for everything else.

[GTP_Daverytimes]

""We will kill every Japanese person, even if it means deaths for our own; even poverty will not deter us from reclaiming the Diaoyu Islands" wtf china

Some news station also suggested dropping nukes on Japan.

[Upsidedown Fuji]

Here's what I've gleaned from the news first hand living in Japan...

Everyone in that region has been on full retard since Shintaro Ishihara offered to buy the distant island chain for Tokyo. It's been a steady back and forth of petty chest thumping between Japan and China for the past 2 months.

About 2 weeks or so ago shit really escalated because a group super-nationalist idiots on a Chinese flotilla decided to land on the island waving Chinese flags which stirred up a bunch of shit in Japan. A week later a "survey team" from Tokyo sponsored by Ishihara, against the national government's advisement, circled the island as well. Shintaro Ishihara is a well known Japanese nutball nationalist and full on racist against any human of non-Japanese ethnicity. It isn't surprising he's a big part of all of this nonsense...

If my memory serves me correctly,this seemed to trigger the initial smaller scale riots, one of which got a Chinese sushi restaurant owner's restaurant thrashed even though he had absolutely no Japanese ties outside of the kind of food he prepared. Total egg on the face there. Idiots just lashing out blindly at anything resembling Japan. Now there's been a full on riot going on in China for about a week now. I have a hunch it's being allowed. Japan's general public hasn't rioted or attacked Chinese storefronts or visitors since the escalation although there's always been a historic inbred suspicion and distrust of Chinese nationals there.

There's always been tensions about the disputed ownership of the islands in the past since natural resources were discovered back in the 60s but now the lid's been completely blown off now that the Japanese national government just right out bought the islands overstepping the blowhard Ishihara. Before all this escalation, the Japanese government had been renting the islands from a private Japanese owner so they could block entry and landing in the surrounding waters and landmass to both Japanese and non-Japanese. It may have continued to be this way, low key island management, if the Mayor of Tokyo, Ishihara didn't make things more complicated by offering to buy the islands which in turn brought the ownership of the islands into the forefront again.

It also doesn't help that the President of Korea landed on Dokodo/whatever Japan calls it. Tensions in that general chain of micro islands has been off the charts this year. SMH.

While I don't hold favor for either side in this dispute, I see that the islands are pretty far from the main island chain of Japan and kind of far from it's southernmost island of Okinawa. These islands should be shared equally between S. Korea, Taiwan, China, and Japan. Just fishing no drilling or surveying for oil/underwater gas. But these kids don't like sharing and will take their ball home if called out for being dorks. However, I do think that the general populace of Japan has carried themselves more responsibly than the other countries.

[Kinyou]

Do these islands suck as much as Takeshima?

There's supposed to be gas underneath them and the surrounding sea is has a high fish population, so I see why the governments are so interested.

I don't really see though why the average citizen would care.

[fallagin]

The U.N. should intervene and just blow up the islands to smitherines.

"There if you can't play nice then neither of you can have it".

[shadyspace]

The future is going to be really weird.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

The Chinese are evil. They have so much land, while Japan is a small country located near a major fault line. The Chinese also refuse to free Tibet while claiming more land from India. Let Japan have the island for crying out loud!!

The Chinese are evil? Compared to Japan?

What are the criteria in which China is evil and Japan is a victim?

Land mass?

[maquiladora]

New article in today's People's Daily newspaper, owned and run by the government, the editorials reflect official Party policy.

The Chinese government and armed force's resolution and will of defending the national territorial sovereignty are strong and unchangeable. If the Japanese government continues to act arbitrarily, it will have to swallow the bitter fruit. We advise the Japanese government not to misjudge the situation. The Chinese people will never allow any country to seize even half inch of Chinese territory.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/102774/7950031.html

[Kinyou]

The U.N. should intervene and just blow up the islands to smitherines. "There if you can't play nice then neither of you can have it".

If only King Solomon would run the U.N.

[Anony]

Shintaro Ishihara

holy fuck, not this fucking retard again
this guy needs to fuck off

[Wafflecakes]

The Chinese are evil? Compared to Japan? What are the criteria in which China is evil and Japan is a victim? Land mass?

One is a non democratic country that does not allow free speech and openly abuses its citizens. One is free and open.

Not hard to determine which is the "evil" nation.

[braves01]

The U.N. should intervene and just blow up the islands to smitherines. "There if you can't play nice then neither of you can have it".

That wouldn't change the fact that "there's oil/gas in them thar hills." Some kind of bilateral, profit-sharing extraction venture would be more productive.

[Scratch]

welp i was just in shengzhen the day before the riots. guess i dodged a bullet there.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

One is a non democratic country that does not allow free speech and openly abuses its citizens. One is free and open. Not hard to determine which is the "evil" nation.

Oh right, Japan is pure as driven snow.

[Zefah]

""We will kill every Japanese person, even if it means deaths for our own; even poverty will not deter us from reclaiming the Diaoyu Islands" wtf china

I saw another picture of a sign that said "Kill every Japanese man you see. Rape every Japanese woman you see."

People who participate in this shit are fucking barbarians.

[Shadow780]

One is a non democratic country that does not allow free speech and openly abuses its citizens. One is free and open. Not hard to determine which is the "evil" nation.

Are you seriously omitting the series of war crimes that Japan committed to the Chinese? It doesn't take a genius to figure out why there's lingering anti-Japanese sentiment among some Chinese people.

[ScientificNinja]

The Chinese are evil.

orly?

They have so much land, while Japan is a small country located near a major fault line.

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The Chinese also refuse to free Tibet while claiming more land from India.

1. Irrelevant; 2. You know nothing of what you speak of.

Let Japan have the island for crying out loud!!

No. And when it comes down to it, it's a question of who's wielding the bigger stick.

One is a non democratic country that does not allow free speech and openly abuses its citizens. One is free and open. Not hard to determine which is the "evil" nation.

Come 'ere, sonny, let me tell you about the Rape of Nanking, which a great many people in China still remember...

[speculawyer]

The U.N. should intervene and just blow up the islands to smitherines. "There if you can't play nice then neither of you can have it".

Well if this is about oil & gas then that really wouldn't resolve anything.

Edit: Damn it, already beat.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I saw another picture of a sign that said "Kill every Japanese man you see. Rape every Japanese woman you see." People who participate in this shit are fucking barbarians.

The sentiment is stupid, but it is the mirror image of former Japanese foreign policy in China,

[t26]

The Chinese are evil. They have so much land, while Japan is a small country located near a major fault line. The Chinese also refuse to free Tibet while claiming more land from India. Let Japan have the island for crying out loud!!

Well China and Japan lost more territories to Russia than anyone else. Maybe they should just team up to get them back.

[diamount]

Well if this is about oil & gas then that really wouldn't resolve anything. Edit: Damn it, already beat.

It's always about that to an extent. Argentina weren't interested in the Falklands until Oil was discovered.

[Zefah]

The sentiment is stupid, but it is the mirror image of former Japanese foreign policy in China,

No, it's really not. Show me some evidence of that if you think so.

Even if this is secretly about Nanking, WWII-era occupation, not teaching Japanese students about atrocities etc... I don't really care: nothing Japan is doing now has any bearing on a Chinese person's life today. This IS a childish nationalistic hatred. This IS ridiculous. It's just too much fun to take a swing at the imaginary enemy you just love to hate. Asia needs to get over their backwards ass nationalism and racism... And that goes for Japan, Korea and China. Grow the fuck up.

Please don't put Japan on the same level of crazy as Korea and China. Hell even Korea isn't as crazy and violent as China.

Japan and China have had a long history of hating each other, this is just a result of that, I hope this can get settled peacefully

They've also had a long history of friendship and deeply integrated economies throughout history.

this is why I hate mainland china, it's making all other chinese people look bad feels bad being chinese right now

Don't. There are far more level-headed and calm Chinese people out there than there are assholes rioting.

[GTP_Daverytimes]

holy fuck, not this fucking retard again this guy needs to fuck off

The guy is a nutjob, imagine what would have happened if he bought the island.

[astroturfing]

just share the fucking islands and its riches, ffs.

why isn't it the most obvious choice both sides would gravitate to? i know i know.. it would be considered "weak" to even suggest it because nations are all supposed the be the bullies of the schoolyard and not the smart sensible kids... i wonder when if ever we humans can get over this type of ultra-nationalism, it is so counter-productive and childish. it has literally been ruining the planet for centuries.. scratch that, for millenia.

GET OVER YOUR STUBBORN PRIDE AND MAKE A COMPROMISE.

[You Are Viewtiful]

Why don't you ask some people in this thread? It seems that intellectual sloth isn't isolated to the other side of the ocean. The protests are a mixture of fervent nationalism (that's always been there), leftover resentment against the Japanese from WWII (and a good part of the 19th century), and a government (that would typically crush protests before they occur) fanning the flames. "They're crazy" is an oversimplified explanation.

That doesn't make any of this okay and you know it. How come any of this rocks in the sea stuff not riot-worthy two weeks ago but all hell breaks loose now? People are just starting up shit because they have over inflated egos, and that goes for both the Japanese and Chinese. And not just the Japanese and Chinese; the whole world is fucked right now. The Islamic World getting all pissy over a shitty YouTube video, the West preparing for war against Iran to protect superficial things like oil etc. It's all fucked up.

[Soyongdori]

Please don't put Japan on the same level of crazy as Korea and China.

Actually they are. Deal with it.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Actually they are. Deal with it.

I am trying to figure out if he wasn a wai fu, boo in or tai tai.

[Zefah]

Actually they are. Deal with it.

You're being ridiculous if you think that.

Give me an example of large-scale nationalistic riot in Japan where people started breaking shit and looting. Hell even a small-scale one will do.

[Soyongdori]

I am trying to firgure out if he wasn a wai fu, boo in or tai tai.

He already claimed he's a biased for japan. So it's not a rocket science to figure out why he is so protective of japan's claims or their actions.

[GTP_Daverytimes]

just share the fucking islands and its riches, ffs. why isn't it the most obvious choice both sides would gravitate to? i know i know.. it would be considered "weak" to even suggest it because nations are all supposed the be the bullies of the schoolyard and not the smart sensible kids... i wonder when if ever we humans can get over this type of ultra-nationalism, it is so counter-productive and childish. it has literally been ruining the planet for centuries.. scratch that, for millenia. GET OVER YOUR STUBBORN PRIDE AND MAKE A COMPROMISE.

Problem with that is that Japan had administerd the islands for more than a Century and even had a populace there before WWII, China's interest came when oil was discovered. If China had contested the ownership of the island from the very begining (1895) then Japan will be more inclined to share the riches, their contest however came in the 70's (some 75 years later).

[Zefah]

He already claimed he's a biased for japan. So it's not a rocket science to figure out why he is so protective of japan's claims or their actions.

Yes. I'm biased because I have vested interests in Japan.

That still doesn't change the fact that, as a whole, you'll find nowhere near the same level of nationalistic insanity in Japan as you will in China or even Korea.

Provide some examples if you'd like to refute that.