[EVOL 100%]

the PC exists you know

[Clairvoyance]

But Wii U's current gen.

Yeah, since 3DS started current gen, WiiU will indeed be current gen. Remarkable observation skills there.

[michaelius]

No need to worry because it won't happen.

[TheExodu5]

Because consoles dictate what big games PC gets so we need them to be as strong as possible. Do you want to play (insert AAA game here) on PC 4 years from now if it was designed with Wii U hardware in mind? We've complained enough about this gen going too long with ps3/360 hardware, think what would have happened if the 10 year old Wii hardware was the lead?

I could give a shit about "AAA" gaming, but the reality is PC gaming is healthier and more diverse than ever, even disregarding console ports.

I don't really think that's going to change whether or not PS4/Xbox3 are a success.

[Raging Spaniard]

Because what would the purpose be of development house throwing a big budget at ps4 and xbox titles if they can spend the same amount of money they did this gen and do fine with nintendo? Think of all the closures that happened this past gen. I think It's going to play out very different for nintendo this time around support wise.

You clearly pay no attention to history. Companies that want to make super high production cost games for he most powerful systems will do so like theyve always done.

Blaming company closures on Nintendo is all sorts of lol

[thirty]

If the Wii U winning stops the widespread collapse of devs and prevents already semi-unreasonable sales expectations from skyrocketing further, I have a really, really hard time seeing this as a bad thing. We don't have a good handle on what budgeting for the PS4/720 vs Wii U looks like, so there's no way to know if that's a reality, but if it is I have to think holding back tech a few years is ultimately a good thing for the industry and gamers.

If you're going to hold back the tech wouldn't it make more sense to charge appropriately for it? Again looking at 3ds and vita makes you wonder if that's what we're headed for.

[Tain]

What.

Not a crazy opinion. A lot of acclaimed games that brand themselves as "indie" are pretty bad.

[d[-_-]b]

What was the new IP? serious question.

Just Dance lol?

[hyduK]

If you're so concerned with having more powerful hardware why don't you just game on PC?

Where do you think the PC ends up if PS4/720 come out with the same tech as WiiU?

Most PC games today even go to waste becasue they're held back by the necessity for console ports. It happens at the end of every gen when the tech is no longer good enough...

[Brashnir]

First part was fact, second part was opinion...

It's actually pretty close to fact. The sheer volume of quality titles on PS360 dwarfs Wii.

I hate to be the metacritic guy, but I just did a quick count of games rated 85+ for 360 and Wii. I think 85 is a reasonable number for games that are liked by a vast majority of gamers. It's an arbitrary point, but any other arbitrary point you pick will paint a similar story.

360 = 150 titles,
Wii = 42 titles.

Sure, there might be some gamers out there for whom the HD twins offerings don't hold up, but they're statistical outliers.

[thirty]

You clearly pay no attention to history. Companies that want to make super high production cost games for he most powerful systems will do so like theyve always done. Blaming company closures on Nintendo is all sorts of lol

I didn't blame it on nintendo. It's the exact opposite. Again they chose to sleep on the Wii. I don't see them doing it again.

[TheExodu5]

Where do you think the PC ends up if PS4/720 come out with the same tech as WiiU? Most PC games today even go to waste becasue they're held back by the necessity for console ports. It happens at the end of every gen when the tech is no longer good enough...

Super high resolutions, super sampling, VR, 120Hz. And I'd be fine with that. Games are so much more immersive with ultra high IQ (see: Dark Souls, The Witcher 2 with ubersampling). 120Hz and VR will require even more hardware power. There's still a lot we can get out of current games with better hardware.

[pants]

Just Dance lol?

o-o

[Derrick01]

I could give a shit about "AAA" gaming, but the reality is PC gaming is healthier and more diverse than ever, even disregarding console ports. I don't really think that's going to change whether or not PS4/Xbox3 are a success.

Yeah well most of the games I still play are inevitably console ports. And I don't want ancient Nintendo tech dictating the types of games I will play on PC for the next 5 years. I want to have to upgrade my current PC in a couple of years to be able to play games that look like Star Wars 1313 or even better than that.

I say that knowing I will have to upgrade to play Rome Total War 2 in its full glory anyway

[CaptNfantasy]

Or fear that we'll have 5+ years of the same games. Imagine WiiU becomes the lead platform for 3rd parties. We'll get 7 years of the games being run on the same tech we've had for the past 7. I want ESVI on 720/PS4 with huge detailed worlds, not on WiiU with the same as what we got in Skyrim (which is amazing, but so was morrowind before it, things need to evolve). Imagine what the BioShock guys can do with even better tech, the worlds we could get for AC4, GTA6, etc. So no, it's not misplaced emotions and fanboyism, it's just the desire for things to continue to evolve.

The sad thing is, human emotion doesnt evolve. Ever. Sadness now was the same as it was in caveman times, same as love, same as excitement etc. Human emotion does not ever evolve. A game system or movie or song is merely a tool to elicit those emotions. If the game can do that, then it is a successful tool. The history of video games and art as well as the current state of video games and art prove this to be fact.

To you "evolve" means just more tech, which is the most shallow and mindless thing anyone could gravitate towards within the spectrum of human emotional response.

[Rm88~]

It'd be pretty sweet, I'd go back to owning just one system again, it hasn't been the case since the SNES.

[Orayn]

It's only modern till PS4/720 come out. Then they're back where they started. It's very doubtful that their online structure will even be able to compete with PS3/360, let alone what's planned for their successors.

You don't know this because you don't know the Durango/PS4 specs or how devs plan to handle them.

[walking fiend]

lol, it's ironic that focus on HD this gen actually prevented PC games from advancing as much as they could.

It's actually pretty close to fact. The sheer volume of quality titles on PS360 dwarfs Wii. I hate to be the metacritic guy, but I just did a quick count of games rated 85+ for 360 and Wii. I think 85 is a reasonable number for games that are liked by a vast majority of gamers. It's an arbitrary point, but any other arbitrary point you pick will paint a similar story. 360 = 150 titles, Wii = 42 titles. Sure, there might be some gamers out there for whom the HD twins offerings don't hold up, but they're statistical outliers.

Reviews are opinions though; and personally I will be hard pressed to name 5 games on HD consoles that I am even interested in trying that aren't available on PC

[HaRyu]

I will go to whatever damned system has the games I want to play. Whether that's the WiiU, the next PS or Xbox, Nintendo or Sony handhelds, PCs, or even *gasp* smartphones and tablets, I will go to whoever provides me with the games I want to play.

[Synless]

Hopefully so, less whining the better... First part was fact, second part was opinion...

Even if you include every 1st party game from Nintendo and the very few exclusives that were worth a shit, it still never came close to the immense amount of quality games released on PS3 and 360.

[massoluk]

Because what would the purpose be of development house throwing a big budget at ps4 and xbox titles if they can spend the same amount of money they did this gen and do fine with nintendo? Think of all the closures that happened this past gen. I think It's going to play out very different for nintendo this time around support wise.

God forbid game companies stuck with Nintendo so they don't face closures. Nintendo, history's greatest monster.

[iammeiam]

If you're going to hold back the tech wouldn't it make more sense to charge appropriately for it? Again looking at 3ds and vita makes you wonder if that's what we're headed for.

Define appropriate? It's not like current-gen consoles are dropping in price like rocks; a lot of it depends on what you value the Wii U controller at. If you peg it at $100, the Wii U base model is basically priced comparably to the 360 with Kinect. I'm not saying the Wii U is cheap, just that Sony and MS have kept console prices high enough that paying that much for tech that's not a huge leap above the 360/PS3 isn't that out-of-line.

[carfo]

PC gaming will never die, so no.

[drkOne]

You're an hypocrite. You complain about tech leaps yet are playing on consoles.

If you really cared that much about graphics and hardware power you wouldn't be looking forward to the next PS/Xbox and would have gotten a PC already.

The fact that you'll give up on gaming just because the Wii U might win is also pretty laughable, you apparently don't care about the games themselves, so why not quit gaming right now?

Even if you include every 1st party game from Nintendo and the very few exclusives that were worth a shit, it still never came close to the immense amount of quality games released on PS3 and 360.

He's right tho, that's your opinion. Which I agree with, but game quality is still only an opinion.

Where do you think the PC ends up if PS4/720 come out with the same tech as WiiU? Most PC games today even go to waste becasue they're held back by the necessity for console ports. It happens at the end of every gen when the tech is no longer good enough...

You're wrong, a lot of PC games can pretty much max out any of the latest graphic cards if you're playing at 2560x1400 while keeping the 60FPS.
You know, devs actually care about their PC version quality nowadays. It's pretty cool.

[lethial]

For the tears?

This is true. Fanboy tears are great when shed.

[The Boat]

No, because I like videogames.

[BlockheadBrown]

Gamer Rules:

1. Buy games because you like to play them.
2. Buy the system(s) that allow you to play the games you want.
3. Do not buy a system on specs alone. See Rule #1.

[richisawesome]

It'd be pretty sweet, I'd go back to owning just one system again, it hasn't been the case since the SNES.

Well, I have a pretty high end PC that should last me a good few years, and the cost of upgrading (especially when selling my old components on ebay) will be minimal.

As long as the PC has a good selection, I'll be sticking with a Wii U/PC combo.

[hyduK]

You don't know this because you don't know the Durango/PS4 specs or how devs plan to handle them.

It's a pretty easy conclusion to make. You guys can say 'you don't know the specs yet' all you want, but at the end of the day they'll come out and they'll dwarf the WiiU tech. Holding on to the extremely small chance that it won't happen isn't going to change that.

[Orayn]

God forbid game companies stuck with Nintendo so they don't face closures. Nintendo, history's greatest monster.

Many seem to think that developers should be marched into the AAAA volcano as a sacrifice to the hardcore gods. Unfortunately, this is already happening and Visceral will probably be the first to hit the lava.

[Thrakier]

If your question is "do you want to play games on current gen tech level for the next five years" then the question is a clear and loud "no". If WiiU would dominate so hard, that other consoles would'nt properly exist next to it, well, then yeah I pobably would quit gaming.

It's about time anyway.

[Lasthope106]

I hate the one to say it but...

PC

[CaptNfantasy]

It's a pretty easy conclusion to make. You guys can say 'you don't know the specs yet' all you want, but at the end of the day they'll come out and they'll dwarf the WiiU tech. Holding on to the extremely small chance that it won't happen isn't going to change that.

PC has dwarfed the 2 HD consoles for years but im sure plenty of people enjoyed millions of hours of gaming on them.

[Brashnir]

It's a pretty easy conclusion to make. You guys can say 'you don't know the specs yet' all you want, but at the end of the day they'll come out and they'll dwarf the WiiU tech. Holding on to the extremely small chance that it won't happen isn't going to change that.

Yep. anyone who is paying any attention at all can see the writing on the wall. Barring some kind of major economic meltdown, we have a pretty good idea of what these machines will be.

[walking fiend]

Gamer Rules: Buy games because you like to play them. Buy the system(s) that allow you to play the games you want. Do not buy a system on specs alone. See Rule #1.

Extension 1: Buy PC if you 'really' want your games to look as good as you want

[Sgt.Pepper]

What was the new IP? serious question.

Um, Wii Sports? 80 millions.

[fabricated backlash]

Strange that someone with this outlook wouldn't mention the PC. 360 and PS3 are like the Wii in comparison to a good PC.

It still boggles my mind that people would even expect Xbox 720 or PS4 to be anywhere near the cutting edge compared to PC. Arguing about a preference for hardware power, but ignoring the only true option when it comes to that is quite amusing to me.

Also the old excuses simply aren't valid anymore. Steam and vastly easier install procedures compared to even 5 years ago, the ability to use the biggest selection of input devices, achieving vastly higher IQ, geometry, physics calculations etc with equal or less money than a new console will cost you.

[Rm88~]

My Wii library dwarfs my PS3 library. Sony systems are always 3rd party platforms for me, and PS3 was incredibly meh in comparison with PS2 and PS1. It's all opinions, but I feel people really overrate the HD twins. DS and PSP got more varied, fun, interesting libraries in my opinion.

[BruceLeeRoy]

Did you hang up your jacket when the PS2 was the leader of it's generation? It was the weakest of all three available consoles, offered less innovation than the other two, and still had a fucking AWESOME games library. What's there to say the Wii U won't deliver the same?

Comments like this are so out of touch that I feel like there is no way anyone that lived through that transition from the N64 to the Dreamcast to the PS2 would ever say that.

[plagiarize]

If your question is "do you want to play games on current gen tech level for the next five years" then the question is a clear and loud "no". If WiiU would dominate so hard, that other consoles would'nt properly exist next to it, well, then yeah I pobably would quit gaming. It's about time anyway.

I won't miss you.

[Mr. Poolman]

(Credit goes to kage from the old gafman thread)

Now THIS is awesome! :D

[kuroshiki]

WiiU dominate? That's like living this current gen for extra 5+ years.

NO THANK YOU.

[Orayn]

It's a pretty easy conclusion to make. You guys can say 'you don't know the specs yet' all you want, but at the end of the day they'll come out and they'll dwarf the WiiU tech. Holding on to the extremely small chance that it won't happen isn't going to change that.

It's not just the specs, it's the standards. PS2 was dwarfed in power by the Gamecube and Xbox, but they were all compatible with the popular game engines of the era and porting was easy as a result . Wii was an actual museum piece, whereas the WiiU is compliant with middleware that will be used for years to come in addition to some that's just coming out.

[DeaconKnowledge]

God what a childish viewpoint.

[IHaveCandy]

The Wii sold more units, but was terrible at getting 3rd party sales. The bread and butter for 3rd party will come from PS4/720.

[Sgt.Pepper]

Many seem to think that developers should be marched into the AAAA volcano as a sacrifice to the hardcore gods. Unfortunately, this is already happening and Visceral will probably be the first to hit the lava.

This is sadly true. This AAA business is so fucked up.

[mclem]

Now if it becomes the dominant gaming platform then I have a problem because the industry will be hamstrung by Nintendo's garbage tech.

If it manages to become the dominant gaming platform (and I must stress, that's a big if), that will be because 'Nintendo's garbage tech' is what the industry *needs* right now.

[Thrakier]

I won't miss you.

I can live with that. ;)

[Brashnir]

It's not just the specs, it's the standards. PS2 was dwarfed in power by the Gamecube and Xbox, but they were all compatible with the popular game engines of the era and porting was easy as a result . Wii was an actual museum piece, whereas the WiiU is compliant with middleware that will be used for years to come in addition to some that's just coming out.

PS2 wasn't "dwarfed" by GC and Xbox. It was less powerful, but still competitive. It wasn't anywhere near the disparity between the Wii and PS360 - which is the kind of disparity we're going to see with Wii U vs the new Sony and MS machines.

[PdotMichael]

Um, Wii Sports? 80 millions.

not third party, honey