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FelixOrion
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(09-21-2012, 06:26 PM)
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Driver's license photos are notorious for capturing the worst side of a motorist's profile. But license photos in New Jersey may get a little worse after state officials said they had to forbid smiling widely in poses due to software issues.

A spokesman for the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission told the Philadelphia Daily News that smiling or making other facial expressions in driver's license photos confuses their new facial recognition software, which is designed to catch fraudsters looking to get a false ID card.

"That could be someone trying to steal someone else's identity to get insurance benefits, or someone trying to get out of a DUI by getting a license under another name," Mike Horan with the MVC said. "This helps us weed out fraud."

Horan told the newspaper that slight smiles are OK, but "Hey-I-won-the-lottery-type smiles" are not.

"To get an accurate photo, you don't want an excessively expressive face in the photo," Horan said.

Two other states, Pennsylvania and Delaware, also use the same facial software. However, Jan McKnight, a Pennsylvania Department of Transportation representative, said they haven't encountered a problem with smiling.

There was no word on how the software reacts to scowls over license renewal wait times.

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SquirrelNuckle
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(09-21-2012, 06:27 PM)
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VA been like this for 2 years now. Sucks.
gdt
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(09-21-2012, 06:28 PM)
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Thats ok, I do all my licenses like this:

Neuromancer
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(09-21-2012, 06:29 PM)
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Makes sense but it is a bit of a kill-joy.
WoodenLung
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(09-21-2012, 06:29 PM)
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Been like this on all ID stuff for a long time here, as long as I remember really.
Riggs
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(09-21-2012, 06:29 PM)

Originally Posted by gdt

Thats ok, I do all my licenses like this:

Lol wtf
speedline
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(09-21-2012, 06:29 PM)
People in New Jersey smile?
Enco
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(09-21-2012, 06:30 PM)
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Always been like that I thought. At least in the UK.
la flama blanca
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(09-21-2012, 06:30 PM)
I'm upset that they are getting drivers licenses. Jersey drivers are complete ass.
SteelAttack
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(09-21-2012, 06:31 PM)
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Clydefrog
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(09-21-2012, 06:31 PM)
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I look like a fool in my CA driver's license. I was specifically told not to smile when sending in a passport photo as well. I thought this was just common knowledge.
Seda
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(09-21-2012, 06:31 PM)
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They did this a few years ago in Iowa
Hari Seldon
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(09-21-2012, 06:31 PM)
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How about you go back to the software vendor and tell them to fix their broken shit.
t-ramp
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(09-21-2012, 06:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Seda

They did this a few years ago in Iowa

Yeah, no glasses allowed either.
maquiladora
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(09-21-2012, 06:33 PM)
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No fun allowed.
perfectchaos007
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(09-21-2012, 06:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by speedline

People in New Jersey smile?

A late night comedian joked about this headline yesterday.

Leno: New Jersey has now banned smiling on drivers license photos. Did you hear about this? Have you heard about this?

Leno: Yeah, now when people go to get their picture taken at the DMV, instead of the clerk saying "smile" they will say "You live in NEW JERSEY!!" :(
DoctorWho
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(09-21-2012, 06:34 PM)
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Oh, that's why he has those scars.
KevinCow
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(09-21-2012, 06:35 PM)
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Is this something that even happens? You're in New Jersy and at the DMV. That's like misery squared. Who could possibly smile in that situation?
SeriousApes
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(09-21-2012, 06:37 PM)
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I find it hard to smile after waiting around for six hours anyway.
krae_man
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(09-21-2012, 06:37 PM)
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Just like Canadian Passports
BobLoblaw
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(09-21-2012, 06:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Riggs

Lol wtf

I'm sure that thread's archived. Guy's in a thousands pics and his face never changes.
Stumpokapow
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(09-21-2012, 06:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by krae_man

Just like Canadian Passports

Which, I'll say, is pretty bogus. I'm a dude with a beard--if you don't let me smile, I will always look like a criminal.
Nesotenso
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(09-21-2012, 06:42 PM)
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Why does New Jersey get such a bad rap ?
Greg
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(09-21-2012, 06:42 PM)
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I'm smiling real big in the one I took recently.

the girl taking it even said "you're not going to smile for me?"
Cagey
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(09-21-2012, 06:42 PM)
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That's the New Jersey I know and love.

Originally Posted by Juancho9

I'm upset that they are getting drivers licenses. Jersey drivers are complete ass.

We're great drivers, we're just hyper-aggressive and angry and vindictive and believe that "Jersey Roll" is the proper means of handling a stop sign.
Last edited by Cagey; 09-21-2012 at 06:51 PM.
krae_man
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(09-21-2012, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

Which, I'll say, is pretty bogus. I'm a dude with a beard--if you don't let me smile, I will always look like a criminal.

We all look like criminals in our passport photos. The beard might not help matters but it's not the cause.
Dynopia
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(09-21-2012, 06:49 PM)
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Last passport phot I took, I looked like a serial killer, was freaky. Anyway, can't smile here in photos since .. forever :-(
Skiptastic
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(09-21-2012, 06:49 PM)
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Been doing this for a few years in Indiana.
Deified Data
(09-21-2012, 06:51 PM)
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Indiana already does this - I can't wear my glasses either so I look all squinty.

Doesn't matter, I look like a serial killer when I fake-smile. Can't do it, and there's no way I can summon genuine good cheer at the DMV.
OriginofHysteria
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(09-21-2012, 06:52 PM)
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Can't do this with US passports either. I mean in regards to my license, if I've been waiting for 3 hrs, I ain't smiling in my photo
Jackben
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(09-21-2012, 06:54 PM)
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This seems like a general rule if not outright law anyway. But the DMV is probably the laziest place about enforcing policy that I've ever had experience with.

For example, I never had to pass my driving test because months after I took it the first time and failed for silly reasons, I decided to just walk up and ask for a license replacement. The DMV clerk charged me $15 and then printed an official state driver's license with my details and the picture from my permit and sent me on my way.

I was definitely smiling when I walked out.

Still can't parallel park though.
Aiii
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(09-21-2012, 06:59 PM)
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Dutch rules for id pictures:



Can't smile, can't cover your face, can't wear glasses that don't have clear glasses, must be centered, must be straight ahead, must have neatral background.
Last edited by Aiii; 09-21-2012 at 07:03 PM.
DrFunk
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(09-21-2012, 07:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by perfectchaos007

A late night comedian joked about this headline yesterday.

Leno: New Jersey has now banned smiling on drivers license photos. Did you hear about this? Have you heard about this?

Leno: Yeah, now when people go to get their picture taken at the DMV, instead of the clerk saying "smile" they will say "You live in NEW JERSEY!!" :(

Conan made the same joke as well
Curufinwe
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(09-21-2012, 07:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginofHysteria

Can't do this with US passports either. I mean in regards to my license, if I've been waiting for 3 hrs, I ain't smiling in my photo

Everyone's going this way. No smiles allowed on NZ passports either.

Pose
• face the camera straight on, with your head straight,
eyes open and mouth closed
• maintain a neutral expression, not smiling or frowning
• ensure you have no hair across your face or eyes as
eyes must be clearly visible.

DoctorWho
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(09-21-2012, 07:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aiii

Dutch rules for id pictures:



Can't smile, can't cover your face, can't wear glasses that don't have clear glasses, must be centered, must be straight ahead, must have neatral background.

Weird. I think I can read that.
R2D4
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(09-21-2012, 07:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Seda

They did this a few years ago in Iowa

Ya. I figured it would be normal for all states.
Majine
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(09-21-2012, 07:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aiii

Dutch rules for id pictures:



Can't smile, can't cover your face, can't wear glasses that don't have clear glasses, must be centered, must be straight ahead, must have neatral background.

Wait, what's wrong with the upper second woman? Looks pretty centered to me, assuming that's what the dutch said.
matics
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(09-21-2012, 07:21 PM)
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Yep. VA too.
WoodenLung
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(09-21-2012, 07:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Majine

Wait, what's wrong with the upper second woman? Looks pretty centered to me, assuming that's what the dutch said.

He face is a bit tilted/looking down?
Chuckl3s
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(09-21-2012, 07:22 PM)
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Does anyone smile in NJ?
dankir
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(09-21-2012, 07:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by gdt

Thats ok, I do all my licenses like this:

This guy is some uber rich playboy celebrity personal trainer, drives supercars, only dates supermodels.

So I guess his douchiness is warranted?
HAL_Laboratory
(09-21-2012, 07:24 PM)
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Banning... smiles??? Seems like a violation of the 1st amendment in some way, wtf.
samus i am
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(09-21-2012, 07:29 PM)
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the facial recognition software must really suck if it can't tell who you are by just smiling.
FelixOrion
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(09-21-2012, 07:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by DoctorWho

Weird. I think I can read that.

English is not too unrelated from Dutch

Originally Posted by Majine

Wait, what's wrong with the upper second woman? Looks pretty centered to me, assuming that's what the dutch said.

"GOED" = GOOD

"niet gecentreerd" = not centered

"hoofd te hoog" = high head

"gezicht niet volledig zichtbaar" = face is not fully visible
Kiraly
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(09-21-2012, 07:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Majine

Wait, what's wrong with the upper second woman? Looks pretty centered to me, assuming that's what the dutch said.

Nah, her face is not centered enough.

the dutch are really finicky about this sort of shit
Az
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(09-21-2012, 07:33 PM)
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Being from NJ there is no reason to smile anyway
Last edited by Az; 09-21-2012 at 07:36 PM.
Azzurri
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(09-21-2012, 07:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Az

Being from NJ there is no reason to smile anyway.

El O el
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UraMallas
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(09-21-2012, 09:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Seda

They did this a few years ago in Iowa

Yeah. Feels bad man.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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(09-22-2012, 06:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Aiii

Dutch rules for id pictures:



Can't smile, can't cover your face, can't wear glasses that don't have clear glasses, must be centered, must be straight ahead, must have neatral background.

Ya, this is exactly the same for Germany also.

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