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Kazerei
(10-16-2012, 07:56 PM)
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Anon's video message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcaFG-XpT0o

CBC news article:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...anonymous.html

The tragic story of B.C. teen suicide victim Amanda Todd has taken another bizarre twist as the internet hacking and activist group Anonymous has named a man the group says was the girl's primary tormentor.

Todd, 15, of Port Coquitlam, died last Wednesday, a month after posting a haunting video on YouTube that cited the sexualized attack that set her down a path of anxiety, depression and drug and alcohol abuse.

During her nine-minute video, the teen explains in handwritten notes that she was in Grade 7 when she was lured by an unidentified male to expose her breasts via webcam.

She says that a year later, she received a message from a man on Facebook threatening that if she didn't give him a show, he would send the webcam picture to her friends and family. She says police later told her the man followed through with his threat.

Anonymous published the name and address of a Vancouver-area man that the group claims was bullying and preying on Todd via the internet.

The activist group, whose members are known for wearing Guy Fawkes mask in order to hide their identities, claims the 32-year-old man has also made postings to child pornography sites.

The man himself has now been threatened online by others vowing to carry out vigilante justice, a development that worries Vancouver defence lawyer Eric Gottardi.

"The system isn't supposed to convict someone before charges are laid. It’s not supposed to be judge, jury and executioner, all in the public forum," Gottardi said. "We have a justice system. It’s supposed to work, it does work."

More at the link.
Prologue
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(10-16-2012, 07:58 PM)
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Did the police know who the guy was beforehand?
Marleyman
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(10-16-2012, 08:00 PM)
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I like this.
Ferrio
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(10-16-2012, 08:00 PM)
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"The system isn't supposed to convict someone before charges are laid. It’s not supposed to be judge, jury and executioner, all in the public forum," Gottardi said. "We have a justice system. It’s supposed to work, it does work."

Agreed. If anonymous just happens to name the wrong person either for lulz or general mistake, it pretty much has ruined an innocent person's life.
Flying Toaster
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(10-16-2012, 08:01 PM)
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Finally they do something right.
Mammoth Jones
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(10-16-2012, 08:01 PM)
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I'm supposed to just take anonymous's word for this? I mean, this could very well be an innocent dude whos name and life will be flipped upside down. Where's the proof it was him?
Sn4ke_911
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(10-16-2012, 08:01 PM)
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Good job.
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(10-16-2012, 08:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ferrio

Agreed. If anonymous just happens to name the wrong person either for lulz or general mistake, it pretty much has ruined an innocent person's life.

Yep. Even if i agree in principle i disagree in practice.
marrec
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(10-16-2012, 08:02 PM)
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"We have a justice system. It’s supposed to work, it does work."

"Except all those times when it doesn't, like... like this time."
NoRéN
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(10-16-2012, 08:02 PM)
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As long as they got the right person, I'm ok with this.
Tomat
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(10-16-2012, 08:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mammoth Jones

I'm supposed to just take anonymous's word for this? I mean, this could very well be an innocent dude whos name and life will be flipped upside down. Where's the proof it was him?

Exactly. You guys can't say this is "right" when they could be dead fucking wrong. If it is the guy, then I can't really say I mind, but until then it's stupid say say "lol good job anon."
Finn of Ooo
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(10-16-2012, 08:03 PM)
Well hopefully its the right guy cause if not, some innocent dude just got his life ruined.
Kinitari
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(10-16-2012, 08:03 PM)
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They shouldn't have posted it online - they should have provided their evidence to the authorities and let them handle it.

Now, regardless of whether or not this man is -actually- guilty, him and everyone with a similar name nearby will have their lives fucked with, if not endangered by 'Anonymous' (Are they a group? Is it just anyone who wants to wear a mask? I really don't know and I kind of don't care) desire to step into the limelight.

Originally Posted by marrec

"Except all those times when it doesn't, like... like this time."

Parts of the justice system rely on the public's support and cooperation~
Darkmakaimura
(10-16-2012, 08:03 PM)
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Bully becomes the bullied.

I will not shed a tear for this piece of garbage when the vigilantes come knocking at his door.

Bye, bye, Mr. Bully.
Ferrio
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(10-16-2012, 08:03 PM)
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Even if they did get the right person, do you really want Anon being a police force?
Akainu
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(10-16-2012, 08:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ferrio

Agreed. If anonymous just happens to name the wrong person either for lulz or general mistake, it pretty much has ruined an innocent person's life.

Yeah. Didn't Spike Lee do something like this recently?
Angry Fork
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(10-16-2012, 08:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flying Toaster

Finally they do something right.

Name what they've done wrong.
Treefrog
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(10-16-2012, 08:04 PM)
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Yeah these kind of accusations alone will always have negative lasting effects. If they're wron I feel terrible for the guy. This should have been brought to court first
Tomat
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(10-16-2012, 08:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Darkmakaimura

Bully becomes the bullied.

I will not shed a tear for this piece of garbage when the vigilantes come knocking at his door.

Bye, bye, Mr. Bully.

See? Dumb shit like this.

You don't even know if it's the right guy, you just buy into the headline.
Neuromancer
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(10-16-2012, 08:06 PM)
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I'd say odds are Anon probably got the right guy. They don't generally screw around.
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Valnen
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(10-16-2012, 08:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Angry Fork

Name what they've done wrong.

When they attacked Sony, for one. They're scum and not to be praised, even when they occasionally do good things.
Mammoth Jones
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(10-16-2012, 08:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Darkmakaimura

Bully becomes the bullied.

I will not shed a tear for this piece of garbage when the vigilantes come knocking at his door.

Bye, bye, Mr. Bully.

What. If. They. Are. Wrong.

You're really willing to trust justice to a group of individuals who refuse to identify themselves? I'm not. I have nothing against anon but shit like this doesn't help anyone. This isn't justice...it's an e-mob all blistering with righteous fury to seek vengeance and someone's comeuppance... Problem is *if* this is the wrong dude and we ignore that possibility we're saying we don't care about justice. Only our need to see someone...anyone held to account. Their guilt or innocence of the accusation means little to us.

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

I'd say odds are Anon probably got the right guy. They don't generally screw around.

I completely disagree with linking the guys info. Listen, if he's guilty he should go to jail. Sexual extortion is a serious crime and doubly so when it's against a minor that may not be aware what happening to them is a crime and worthy of alerting the authorities. That link simply says "Hey, this guy is bad...we're not going to list HOW we came to this conclusion...but trust us. It's not like this guy could be someone that one of us may have a personal vendetta against...nope....we're always open and honest."
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Confidence Man
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(10-16-2012, 08:08 PM)
Right guy or not, seems he's already fucked up anyway.

The man who Anonymous identified as Todd's bully appeared in court on Monday on charges of sexual assault and sexual interference with a minor, unrelated to Todd, CTV reported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1969792.html
animlboogy
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(10-16-2012, 08:08 PM)
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I'll wait on how the track record of this movement pans out before passing judgement on them. They're attempting to do something good, at least, and the idea of depending solely on the justice system just rings hollow to me.

Much like the standard government run justice system it will have to prove itself. And for the U.S., at least, it's easy to see how flawed our system is. You can't just rely on the rule of law to make everything okay.

There are messier things happening within the system itself all the time. If working outside the law here ends up being a positive, I'll support their actions. Their target here relies on anonymity provided by the internet; if the authorities can't do this kind of work, somebody should.
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KieferCrimson
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(10-16-2012, 08:09 PM)
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I think it would have been better if this went like

Anonymous: "Here is the name, Canadian police, check this tip out or else we will release it to the public".

Sure, sounds like blackmailing or something, but they should haven't thrown the name out there just like that. :/ They seem well intentioned, but not sure if this was they way to do it.
Ferrio
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(10-16-2012, 08:09 PM)
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Also, couldn't anon's actions cause shit to be thrown out in court due to bad handlings?
Neuromancer
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(10-16-2012, 08:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Confidence Man

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1969792.html

Well there you go
marrec
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(10-16-2012, 08:09 PM)
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Hey guys, last time they exposed a pedo they were 100% correct.

At the very least this guys probably a pedo.
Tomat
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(10-16-2012, 08:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by marrec

Hey guys, last time they exposed a pedo they were 100% correct.

At the very least this guys probably a pedo.

Okay, and? Anonymous isn't one person or one group. You don't know who is putting this information out there.
marrec
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(10-16-2012, 08:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tomat

Okay, and? Anonymous isn't one person or one group. You don't know who is putting this information out there.

People know who put this out.
Valnen
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(10-16-2012, 08:12 PM)
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Also, who can forget this? I certainly haven't.

http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...08/03/epilepsy

Anonymous are not good people.
Tomat
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(10-16-2012, 08:13 PM)
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Who are these people marrec?
shira
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(10-16-2012, 08:13 PM)
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Can we get anonymous to find out the creepshooter on gaf?
Phreaker
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(10-16-2012, 08:14 PM)
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They should switch to the Siri voice or something, so their video messages would be easier to understand. :)
Darkmakaimura
(10-16-2012, 08:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mammoth Jones

What. If. They. Are. Wrong.

You're really willing to trust justice to a group of individuals who refuse to identify themselves? I'm not. I have nothing against anon but shit like this doesn't help anyone. This isn't justice...it's an e-mob all blistering with righteous fury to seek vengeance and someone's comeuppance... Problem is *if* this is the wrong dude and we ignore that possibility we're saying we don't care about justice. Only our need to see someone...anyone held to account. Their guilt or innocence of the accusation means little to us.

Well, let's hope they're right. I want to see the guy responsible go down big for this.
Crunched
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(10-16-2012, 08:14 PM)
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What if Batman accidentally beats up the wrong guy
Kinitari
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(10-16-2012, 08:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ferrio

Also, couldn't anon's actions cause shit to be thrown out in court due to bad handlings?

This is what I am thinking - if they really wanted to do good, supply the authorities with whatever information they got, and leave in confidential into everything checks out as kosher at least.

Doing it this way works against their supposed intentions, and only works to make them look like internet badasses.
animlboogy
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(10-16-2012, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Valnen

Also, who can forget this? I certainly haven't.

http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...08/03/epilepsy

Anonymous are not good people.

They aren't any one thing. Kind of the definition of the whole concept. Malicious channers and black bloc hacktivists are not really at all similar.
Mammoth Jones
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(10-16-2012, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by marrec

Hey guys, last time they exposed a pedo they were 100% correct.

At the very least this guys probably a pedo.

At least the huffington post link confirms something. See folks...this is how justice goes. Looks like dude is a scumbag as there's a system that doesn't rely soley on anonymous hearsay and puts someone on trial based off of tangible evidence. (Usually, the justice system has its flaws too but it's a fuck ton better than "Hey..this person is bad trust me")

The man who Anonymous identified as Todd's bully appeared in court on Monday on charges of sexual assault and sexual interference with a minor, unrelated to Todd, CTV reported. The man claims he was Todd's friend and pointed the finger at a New York man who was harassing her.

Dishwalla
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(10-16-2012, 08:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Confidence Man

Right guy or not, seems he's already fucked up anyway.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1969792.html

Vice reports that Anonymous got involved in tracking down Todd's bully after nude autopsy photos of deceased Amanda Todd leaked online.

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What. The. Fuck.

Poor girl, even in death she can't be left alone.
enzo_gt
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(10-16-2012, 08:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Confidence Man

Right guy or not, seems he's already fucked up anyway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1969792.html

Definitely a foundation for Anons accusations alright.

Not looking good for the guy.
Valnen
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(10-16-2012, 08:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by animlboogy

They aren't any one thing. Kind of the definition of the whole concept. Malicious channers and black bloc hacktivists are not really at all similar.

I'm not going to support anyone that identifies themselves as part of Anonymous after the bullshit I've seen them do. Not after the Sony incident and not after many other incidents in which they victimize innocent people/websites.

I don't see how any good person could be cheering these people on or identifying with them. A good person would want to distance themselves as far as possible from people like that.
Last edited by Valnen; 10-16-2012 at 08:24 PM.
Neuromancer
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(10-16-2012, 08:21 PM)
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KODY MAXSON YOU HURT AMANDA TODD MY ANONYMOUS FRIENDS HAVE FOUND YOU AND NOW

Kody, I am a martial arts instructor and I would like to invite you for a martial arts lesson. The first lesson is free. I also thought it would be a clever idea to record your first lesson on youtube. This way many people can watch how quickly you pick up what I am anxiously waiting to demonstrate for you. Kody... the very first rule of martial arts is to protect the innocent.

lol
Borgnine
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(10-16-2012, 08:22 PM)
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Seriously with that video? They must wear masks because they can't keep a straight face.

Please don't hack me.
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(10-16-2012, 08:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Valnen

Also, who can forget this? I certainly haven't.

http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...08/03/epilepsy

Anonymous are not good people.


That was a Anon splinter group caused by friction within over the change of purpose from doing shit for "lulz" to being a politically motivated activist group
Demoncarnotaur
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(10-16-2012, 08:27 PM)
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I hope they got the right guy, but I wont lie, this makes me happy knowing he fucked. Such a fucking tragedy what happened to that girl.
marrec
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(10-16-2012, 08:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dishwalla

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What. The. Fuck.

Poor girl, even in death she can't be left alone.

Originally Posted by Tomat

Who are these people marrec?

They got the right guy.

Although, I don't agree with the idea that because you bully someone you should be bullied back.

Let the law handle this people.
Tomat
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(10-16-2012, 08:28 PM)
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That doesn't answer my question marrec.

Originally Posted by marrec

They're anonymous, how am I supposed to know who they are?

Thank you.
marrec
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(10-16-2012, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tomat

That doesn't answer my question marrec.

They're anonymous, how am I supposed to know who they are?
Nokagi
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(10-16-2012, 08:38 PM)
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As long as they are 100% sure they got the right guy, good on Anonymous, this is the kinda thing I like to see. Also what kinda fucking monster leaks autopsy photos of a dead teenager online.. I just don't understand the world anymore GAF.

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