[@MUWANdo]

http://www.2d-x.com/ninja-gaiden-3-r...etting-better/

This guy has written a very useful hands-on report that details the many changes Team Ninja/Nintendo have made to NG3 in order to make it less terrible. Here's a quick rundown of the basic stuff:

-Perhaps the most significant change of all is the fact that Ryu is actually responsive in Razor’s Edge. Ryu’s recovery has been shortened greatly, so players can easily cancel into a dodge or block as the situation demands. -Enemies have been improved. They are more aggressive, and some have access to new moves. The basic terrorist grunts and alchemists are the most obvious examples. -Combat has been redesigned to have a more technical feel. Enemies have more stagger animations (including wall damage/stuns). Both playable characters now have a universal grab (the Guillotine throw). -Charge attacks are extremely fast. Ninja Gaiden 3 introduced a charge mechanic, whereby holding down the heavy attack resulted in a powerful combo extension. The length of time needed to charge this attack has been reduced dramatically. -There are six weapons available to Ryu in Razor’s Edge right from the get-go. Ryu now has access to the claws, scythe, dual katanas, staff, and an as-of-yet unrevealed weapon, on top of the standard katana. -Karma has been redesigned to function as both the point/ranking system, as well as currency. -Collectible items have been reintroduced. The Golden Scarabs from the original Ninja Gaiden, and Crystal Skulls from Ninja Gaiden 2 are strewn about each stage, and can be collected for an instant Karma bonus. -Players can use this Karma currency to purchase upgrades for weapons and magic (Ninpo) as well as unique combat abilities and even in-game costumes. -The new “Cicada Surge” teleportation ability has been polished greatly since its reveal back during E3. It is an incredibly handy way to get out of overwhelming situations. -A new ability, called “Four Rings” has been introduced. It is a 360º shuriken attack that stuns enemies surrounding Ryu, and can be tacked on to combos on-the-fly, much like ordinary shuriken attacks. -Ultimate Techniques can be used even when Ryu/Ayane’s weapons aren’t glowing red, simply by holding down and charging a heavy attack (much like in Ninja Gaiden 2). Ultimate Techniques have two charge levels once again. -Ninpo is still earned through combat. However, you can keep your Ninpo charge between encounters now, allowing you to cast magic or save it as you see fit. -Bosses have life gauges now. You can see their health on the bottom of the screen.

The article itself goes into more detail about playable Ayane, changes to the scoring system, the return of dismemberment, the revised Steel-on-Bone/Grip of Murder mechanics and other stuff. I won't quote it all here, out of courtesy for the author, so go read the article and/or quote whatever you see fit.

I can't imagine that it's ever gonna be great, and there are many aspects of NG3 that are beyond salvation, but it sounds like it'll be a hell of a lot better than the original.

[alr1ght]

Added fun?

[RedSwirl]

So basically they put the Ninja Gaiden back into the game?

[paolo11]

We can do charge UT now? Hell Yeah!!!!

[Evilink]

So freakin day one!

[EloquentM]

Added fun?

So basically they put the Ninja Gaiden back into the game?

Such bitterness. It's like team ninja kicked the Internet in the balls and stole its girlfriend.

[sh4mike]

Do I still get to wait on QTE finishers, have QTE wall climbing, and slide around on the ground most of the time?

[Sojgat]

Such bitterness. It's like team ninja kicked the Internet in the balls and stole its girlfriend.

Have you played NG3?

[grap3fruitman]

What kind of hamburger is this?

[Meelow]

Zombi U or Ninja Gaiden 3, which should I chose :( Help me GAF.

[Ken]

Dismemberment only on the Wii U.

[EloquentM]

Have you played NG3?

How is that relevant? The fact is NG3 sucked and team ninja is trying to remedy those complaints. You can't say the same for many games of a beloved series which received such backlash. You think Crapcom (lol phone spell check) is going to re-do RE6 with the many improvements it needs to not be shitty because If they do let me be the first to pre-order and not complain about it.

[Chamber]

I'll have to wait for more impressions. I can't trust Team Ninja and Ninja Gaiden 3 has a long way to go before I would call it a good game.

[TheBaldEmperor]

Dismemberment only on the Wii U.

Kiddie console confirmed.

[TAS]

Sounds a hell of a lot better than the original. Fingers crossed.

[DR2K]

What kind of hamburger is this?

Panty flavored and fully cooked.

[ViewtifulJC]

3/10 game will now be a 6/10 game

[Miker]

So basically they put the Ninja Gaiden back into the game?

Seriously. I never played NGII, but most of those changes were things present in NG1.

[d0c_zaius]

"-Perhaps the most significant change of all is the fact that Ryu is actually responsive in Razor’s Edge. Ryu’s recovery has been shortened greatly, so players can easily cancel into a dodge or block as the situation demands."

smfh!!!!!!

How is that relevant? The fact is NG3 sucked and team ninja is trying to remedy those complaints. You can't say the same for many games of a beloved series which received such backlash. You think Crapcom (lol phone spell check) is going to re-do RE6 with the many improvements it needs to not be shitty because If they do let me be the first to pre-order and not complain about it.

why do you make it sound like we should be thanking them? do you think they could get any more mileage out of their NG3 assets if they didn't do a complete 360 with their approach and market it to the public as such?

it almost sounds like you are saying they did it for the good of the community, and we should appreciate their effort without recognizing the only reason its happening is because they screwed up so amazingly bad the first time.

and yes, I played through NG3 the whole way through.

So it'll be as good as all the AAA blockbusters minus the free swag points for reviewers. Fine by me.

You so hipster

[@MUWANdo]

3/10 game will now be a 6/10 game

Probably, yeah, but isn't that still a good thing? A sign that Team Ninja at least understands what people expect from a Ninja Gaiden game, and that the next may not completely suck balls?

You can only polish a turd so much, sure, but it's better than them doubling down on all their terrible design decisions like many devs do.

[DR2K]

3/10 game will now be a 6/10 game

So it'll be as good as all the AAA blockbusters minus the free swag points for reviewers. Fine by me.

[Dahbomb]

3/10 game will now be a 6/10 game

Was about to say something like this.

While all these are steps in the right direction for the game, the game still did a lot of wrong that probably won't all be righted in this iteration. At least it appears that Team Ninja gets what is wrong. The first step is knowing you have a problem. It takes guts and integrity to admit that you made improper design choices.

So it'll be as good as all the AAA blockbusters minus the free swag points for reviewers. Fine by me.

No it will only be as good as RE6.

[Ken]

3/10 game will now be a 6/10 game

A 6/10 would be enough to make me interested, actually.

[Malvingt2]

3/10 game will now be a 6/10 game

better than RE6 confirmed?

[EloquentM]

Hey guys, GOD hand was 3/10 too, just in case you were wondering.

[Slayer-33]

better than RE6 confirmed?

hahaha ow.

[DR2K]

No it will only be as good as RE6.

I'm sure the story will be.

[Currygan]

3/10 game will now be a 6/10 game

they're trying to reanimate a corpse here, mate. It's a MIF level of difficulty

[Sojgat]

How is that relevant? The fact is NG3 sucked and team ninja is trying to remedy those complaints. You can't say the same for many games of a beloved series which received such backlash. You think Crapcom (lol phone spell check) is going to re-do RE6 with the many improvements it needs to not be shitty because If they do let me be the first to pre-order and not complain about it.

Is this coming out as a title update for the PS3/360 versions? Or do I have to buy another console and copy of the game? TN is doing this because nobody would buy NG3 on Wii U as is. "Crapcom" do this kind of stuff all the time, buy a fighting game. By the way RE6 is a masterpiece compared to NG3, at least it has responsive combat.

Hey guys, GOD hand was 3/10 too, just in case you were wondering.

Review scores are unreliable, 3/10 is far too generous for NG3. Also I find comparing NG3 to God Hand offensive.

[∀ Narayan]

better than RE6 confirmed?

Not difficult to accomplish.

I'm probably going to get this version of NG3.

[abstract alien]

The regular one wasn't that bad to begin with. It was no bayonetta, but a terrible game it is not. Ninja Gaiden has always had issues anyway.

[vulva]

Hey guys, GOD hand was 3/10 too, just in case you were wondering.

So, people not liking a game and expressing that the changes seem like a good idea but are not enough equates to everyone here being bitter? Are you suggesting people just shouldn't post their opinions if they're negative, since being unimpressed can only mean they're bitter, right?

[MrCookiepants]

How is that relevant? The fact is NG3 sucked and team ninja is trying to remedy those complaints. You can't say the same for many games of a beloved series which received such backlash. You think Crapcom (lol phone spell check) is going to re-do RE6 with the many improvements it needs to not be shitty because If they do let me be the first to pre-order and not complain about it.

RE6 could be better, but at least it's still enjoyable to play. NG3 is an abomination.

[Zee-Row]

How involved is Nintendo with this game?

[disco]

I'll be buying this. Can't wait. I enjoyed Other M so I'll probably love this.

[Meelow]

How involved is Nintendo with this game?

I heard that they convinced Team Ninja to add more blood and bring back dismemberment, but don't quote me on that.

[Amir0x]

The regular one wasn't that bad to begin with. It was no bayonetta, but a terrible game it is not. Ninja Gaiden has always had issues anyway.

If Ninja Gaiden as a series typically has "issues", then Ninja Gaiden 3 has full blown AIDS. Maybe the ebola virus, actually. It has one of the most broken and unbalanced combat systems I've seen in a major action game release. It took a foundation of a series that was typically strong and engaging and made it a muck of frustrating design decisions.

The fixes sound like it could definitely improve the title to be playable, but it would require a complete ground up re-development to be a good game I think. it's that awful.

[GeneralManager]

Hey guys, GOD hand was 3/10 too, just in case you were wondering.

The difference was people played it and reacted like this
God Hand- " Hey this is totally better than that 3/10 rating it got from the press".
NG3- "Oh God, this is even worse than the 3/10 rating it got from the press."

[a Master Ninja]

How is that relevant? The fact is NG3 sucked and team ninja is trying to remedy those complaints. You can't say the same for many games of a beloved series which received such backlash.

A free patch with these changes for the 360/PS3 versions would have been a better remedy. Or refunds.

A $60 revision won't please anyone who payed for NG3.

[chertipros]

team ninja should have just ported Yaiba/Ninja Gaiden Z to the wii u instead considering how sour people are on ninja gaiden 3. Sure that game is more of a California roll than traditional Japanese sushi, but atleast that is more likely to be a great game/not carry a negative stigma

[Krabboss]

How is that relevant? The fact is NG3 sucked and team ninja is trying to remedy those complaints. You can't say the same for many games of a beloved series which received such backlash. You think Crapcom (lol phone spell check) is going to re-do RE6 with the many improvements it needs to not be shitty because If they do let me be the first to pre-order and not complain about it.

I haven't played NG3, but I bet people feel there's more wrong with the game than what they're trying to change with this revised edition. People might also not trust the same team who fucked it up last time to get it right this time.

Hey guys, GOD hand was 3/10 too, just in case you were wondering.

From one reviewer, you clown. The game's reviews in general weren't anywhere near 3/10

[EloquentM]

So, people not liking a game and expressing that the changes seem like a good idea but are not enough equates to everyone here being bitter? Are you suggesting people just shouldn't post their opinions if they're negative, since being unimpressed can only mean they're bitter, right?

In the two people I quoted, who said that?

I haven't played NG3, but I bet people feel there's more wrong with the game than what they're trying to change with this revised edition. People might also not trust the same team who fucked it up last time to get it right this time. From one reviewer, you clown. The game's reviews in general weren't anywhere near 3/10

insulting people doesn't really jive well here. It was a joke anyways.

[Kai Dracon]

A free patch with these changes for the 360/PS3 versions would have been a better remedy. Or refunds. A $60 revision won't please anyone who payed for NG3.

The true burn here. Hey, I actually played through NG3 since a copy was given to me, and I actually felt underneath all the stripped and poorly tuned mechanics it was a pretty good action fighting game, regardless of how it compared to other NG games. These changes do sound very good and could make it into a fairly good game.

BUT, had I lost sixty bucks on NG3 Beta, I would be giving Team Ninja the finger on this one.

[abstract alien]

If Ninja Gaiden as a series typically has "issues", then Ninja Gaiden 3 has full blown AIDS. Maybe the ebola virus, actually. It has one of the most broken and unbalanced combat systems I've seen in a major action game release. It took a foundation of a series that was typically strong and engaging and made it a muck of frustrating design decisions. The fixes sound like it could definitely improve the title to be playable, but it would require a complete ground up re-development to be a good game I think. it's that awful.

Being killed by a camera isn't exactly what I would call optimal game design. The AI was sometimes cheap as hell as well, which is why the "champion edition" versions should have been the initial release to begin with. This includes NG3.

[@MUWANdo]

How involved is Nintendo with this game?

No idea. We know some of the SPD dudes have been working on the game in order to implement some of the changes, but we don't know the extent of their involvement, or how many of the changes were requested/initiated by Nintendo.

[marc^o^]

On my radar.

[Dahbomb]

Being killed by a camera isn't exactly what I would call optimal game design. The AI was sometimes cheap as hell as well, which is why the "champion edition" versions should have been the initial release to begin with. This includes NG3.

The extra editions didn't make the game easier or less cheap. And the games were never cheap... well not until NG2. Vanilla NG1 is still one of the best action games made and NGB added excellent content on top of it. Unless you are talking about the Sigma games in which case they didn't really improve on the originals without making unnecessary cuts.

[omonimo]

This version of the game is like a punch in the balls of the ps360 owners, really.

[P90]

Sounds interesting. Will there be a Ninja Dog setting? Heck, I might need Ninja Puppy setting. Yeah. I am that bad.

[Krabboss]

In the two people I quoted, who said that? insulting people doesn't really jive well here. It was a joke anyways.

My insult was a joke too or something I dunno