Good and yes, you did.BFG work pushed the Rage tools, but Real Soon Now. I hope. Sigh. I think we have made poor decisions on this all year.
edit (Old) Pictures from idstudio: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=71“Pull down the console, type ‘id studio’, then press enter. Then, bam, there’s all the tools we use.”
I really hope this did push the decision to release Rage's development tools. Because the dev tools have always been half of the appeal of iD's games in the past. iD tech 5 is still top tier stuff in the game engine world, I'd care if they release the dev tools for it. If the map editor is still anything like they were showing in the past, then it should have networking in it and multi user editing.Carmack: Someone please come up with something to make people interested in this game. I want that Day Z money.
Sad, but all completely true.Originally Posted by ScreenSplitter
Yeah releasing an "enhanced" port of Doom 3 instead of giving us concrete details on Doom 4 after cancellation rumors is poor decisions indeed. Then again, releasing one game every generation must not be doing wonders for business either.
I know, but I don't think it's such a leap to assume that the reason they are really focusing on it now is because Rage didn't exactly light the world on fire. Mods can mean big business and new attention to your game (how much money did Durante make FROM?). I'm a bit surprised it didn't come out earlier though, since iD was basically the company that made releasing developer tools worthwhile.Originally Posted by subversus
it was announced a year ago.
Dice, Infinity Ward remove mod tools from BF & COD: "Look at these moneygrabbers, trying to force people to buy their shitty map packs & DLC. "Carmack: Someone please come up with something to make people interested in this game. I want that Day Z money.
Why couldn't they have survived? I was under the impression that Carmack and co allowed themselves to be bought out because it'd let them focus more on development and less on business or licensing, not because they were struggling financially.Even though I know they couldn't have survived otherwise, seeing id chained down like this is breaking my heart =\
I don't think id would've had much left in its coffers come mid-2009. id Tech 4 was licensed for only a few titles and prior to the Zenimax buyout the studio hadn't released a product for half a decade.Why couldn't they have survived? I was under the impression that Carmack and co allowed themselves to be bought out because it'd let them focus more on development and less on business or licensing, not because they were struggling financially.
It's hard to be sure since we don't have much in the way of sales figures, although from that you could infer the game performed below expectations. If we consider Rage's development as a whole rather than the last ~2 years Bethesda bankrolled, I strongly doubt it's turned a profit.Was Rage financially successful?
The facial/ character animations in Rage still impresses me too, and iD's proprietary physics engine is fantastic. One of my absolute favorite things in rage were the sentry bots that you could build. The AI on these things were incredible. What really kills me is that they designed this engine for literally one game, and we will never see it licensed out to any other developer to use... but at least releasing the dev tools would be something...Originally Posted by NinjaBoiX
I love RAGE, I think it's a great shooter. Gorgeous, fast, fluid, fantastic guns, great AI and animation, it's just brilliant!
Might fire it up again tonight.
Originally Posted by ZoddGutts
With Borderlands 2 out, nope.
They've already licensed it out to... some studio, I forget the name. They're ex-Starbreeze guys (Riddick-era, not Syndicate-era).Originally Posted by MrCunningham
The facial/ character animations in Rage still impresses me too, and iD's proprietary physics engine is fantastic. One of my absolute favorite things in rage were the sentry bots that you could build. The AI on these things were incredible. What really kills me is that they designed this engine for literally one game, and we will never see it licensed out to any other developer to use... but at least releasing the dev tools would be something...
That's not technically licensing though as Bethesda owns Machine Games as well, right?Originally Posted by ;43545335
They've already licensed it out to... some studio, I forget the name. They're ex-Starbreeze guys (Riddick-era, not Syndicate-era).
Rage sold like 2.5 to 3 millions and EA paid them 10+ millions for publishing right. I think that should be enough to sustain 60 people team for next 4~5 years.
ZeniMax owns Machine Games but yeah, they're under the same umbrella and Hollenshead already said a while ago the engine could be shared with ZeniMax' internal developers but not outside studios (for the time being).That's not technically licensing though as Bethesda owns Machine Gun as well, right?
Yeah, it's kinda sad this is happening to him. You can feel the frustation on his tweets.According to Carmack haven't the tools have been sitting in mothballs, complete, for like a year at Bethesda's HQ? Kinda hard to blame id for this when the discussion on when to release them to the general public lies with Bethesda, not id. Also according to Carmack, id can't talk about Doom 4 yet due to restrictions placed on them by Bethesda.
That's the one, yeah. I have no idea whether Bethesda/Zenimax owns them, you could be right about that.That's not technically licensing though as Bethesda owns Machine Gun as well, right?
Oh, thanks for the info. I didn't realize that anyone else outside of iD were using Tech 5.Originally Posted by Glass Rebel
ZeniMax owns Machine Games but yeah, they're under the same umbrella and Hollenshead already said a while ago the engine could be shared with ZeniMax' internal developers but not outside studios (for the time being).
Sorry, it's a speculation based on first month sales and similar (new IP) titles. 550k for first month is pretty decent for new IP. Brink sold like 400k copies in first month in NA and somehow it sold 2.5 millions lifetime.Source?
please don't say VG chartz
http://www.shacknews.com/article/592...plains-zenimaxSource? Also, VGC sales numbers are not reliable, and id Software is composed of over 200 people, not 60.
60 is the number of core Rage team.In addition, Carmack revealed that while the studio had "early offers" for the Rage publishing rights, to the tune of "X million dollars," id instead chose to keep self-funding the game until it was "far into development."
"When we finally signed a deal," he said, "it was X plus $10 million."
I imagine it being on sale on Steam eight times over the past ~14 months is a key factor.Sorry, it's a speculation based on first month sales and similar (new IP) titles. 550k for first month is pretty decent for new IP. Brink sold like 400k copies in first month in NA and somehow it sold 2.5 millions lifetime.
