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dock
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(11-03-2012, 08:54 PM)
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Two minutes into Dishonoured, I have decided to return my copy for store credit because of the size of the on-screen text.

I haven't bought a full price 'AAA' game in a while, so I'm disappointed to be hit by a game that I simply can't read the text in. I paid 40 for the game, and it's simply uncomfortable to play. My eyesight is totally fine, and I don''t have eyesight difficulties with any other task or part of my life.

My TV is 32", my game is running in 720p through HDMI, and my head is about 12 feet from the screen.




It's disappointing that developers seem to be making games designed for a 24" monitor at 18", or a 6 foot living room, or a 46"+ TV. It's bad enough that HD is now a requirement, but requiring needlessly oversized TVs is really disappointing.

[mods : please change thread title to 'I returned a game because of the font size']
Wario64
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(11-03-2012, 08:56 PM)
Seems fine to me
sinxtanx
(11-03-2012, 08:57 PM)
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no Wario it is unacceptable

(it really is, hate that shit)
Delusibeta
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(11-03-2012, 08:58 PM)
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I'm playing Most Wanted on an 14 inch SD TV. Fun.
Horse Armour
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(11-03-2012, 08:58 PM)
This is why modern games have awful FOVs.
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(11-03-2012, 08:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by dock


The contrast is way worse than the size.
darkside31337
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(11-03-2012, 09:00 PM)
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Playing the PS3 version of Sleeping Dogs right now. The subtitles are just completely unreadable because of how ridiculously tiny they are. The menus as well are really way, way too small. It's really driving me insane. I can't believe people actually tested this game and didn't think it was an issue.
Wilsongt
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(11-03-2012, 09:00 PM)
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Yep... Hate tiny font in games. I can't sit on my couch and play games about 10ft away from the TV because I can barely read shit. Have to sit right in front of the TV.
dock
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(11-03-2012, 09:00 PM)
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Even if it were white text against black I wouldn't be able to read it. I'm not in a position to rearrange my furniture for this particular problem in games, and I didn't have plans to get a giant TV any time soon either.
Edwardo
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(11-03-2012, 09:01 PM)
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I tried playing standard-def on a 20" tv. Pretty sure my eyesight is now worse because of it.
ThatCrazyGuy
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(11-03-2012, 09:01 PM)
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I hate the small text in alot of the games nowadays as well. Hard as hell to read. I haven't returned a game because of it though, heh.
Miles X
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(11-03-2012, 09:01 PM)
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Looks fine, maybe you need glasses?
G-Unit
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(11-03-2012, 09:02 PM)
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looks good to me
Cronox
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(11-03-2012, 09:02 PM)
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Why are you so far from the tv? I get max 6-8 feet away on my 32 inch.
erpg
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(11-03-2012, 09:02 PM)
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Think that's bad? Try New Little King's Story.



That font is no more than 4 millimeters on the Vita's screen.
quaere
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(11-03-2012, 09:03 PM)
If you think that's bad try playing PC games in comfy couch mode. A lot of developers haven't realized PC games aren't only played on a desktop anymore.
sakipon
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(11-03-2012, 09:03 PM)
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I'm with you, I hate this issue. Isn't it possible to give options for adjusting the size of the text?
Cjdamon042
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(11-03-2012, 09:05 PM)
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Recently played a bit of inFamous 2 on a 32" TV and the text was pretty hard to read. I don't have subtitles on so no worries there, but on-screen popups and stuff were pretty difficult. Nothing that I would return the game over though (not that I could; free from PS+ lol).

Dishonored doesn't look too bad there though, except for the subtitles being difficult to read due to contrast.
Stallion Free
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(11-03-2012, 09:05 PM)
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Why are you sitting 12 feet away from a 32 inch TV?
Dead Prince
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(11-03-2012, 09:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stallion Free

Why are you sitting 12 feet away from a 32 inch TV?

comfy couch. he probably misplaced his monocle
Wario64
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(11-03-2012, 09:07 PM)

Originally Posted by sinxtanx

no Wario it is unacceptable

(it really is, hate that shit)

Nope.
afternoon delight
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(11-03-2012, 09:07 PM)
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Two minutes into Dishonoured, I have decided to return my copy for store credit because of the size of the on-screen text.

It's your right and everything but damn that's some gamerfueled overreaction right there.
Femmeworth
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(11-03-2012, 09:08 PM)
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Next gen consoles need to have universal font options or something. Will it happen? No. :\
danwarb
(11-03-2012, 09:10 PM)
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That doesn't seem too small, but a large print option should be easy enough to implement.
DonMigs85
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(11-03-2012, 09:10 PM)
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You're a bit too far. Should be ideally 5-6 feet away from a 32 inch screen.
The Grim Heaper
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(11-03-2012, 09:10 PM)
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That looks fine to me. Maybe it's worse in person, I dunno.
nonnocere
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(11-03-2012, 09:11 PM)
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Zork on my 55" LCD killed it for me. Damn ASCII text.
G-Fex
(11-03-2012, 09:11 PM)
Oh my god this shit is bad.

I remember streaming this and since I watch everything I stream or play through Xsplit I couldn't read anything.
dock
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(11-03-2012, 09:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by afternoon delight

It's your right and everything but damn that's some gamerfueled overreaction right there.

How is it an over-reaction? I can't read any of the text in the game or menus without leaning forward and squinting. I'll just pick up the game when I buy an enormous TV in a few years.
CambriaRising
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(11-03-2012, 09:12 PM)
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What the hell are you talking about? The problem isn't with the game it is with you sitting 12 feet away from a 32" screen and your eyes not being able to see it. Get a bigger screen, move closer, or have your eyes checked. It is not the developers fault that you are playing in a less than ideal space.
dock
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(11-03-2012, 09:14 PM)
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Why aren't subtitles for Blu-rays done with tiny text, if this is 'ideal' ?
Recall
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(11-03-2012, 09:15 PM)
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My chair is 6 foot from the TV and I see it all fine. 12 feet might as well be a mile, seriously a genuine 12 foot distance is quite a way away.
ThatCrazyGuy
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(11-03-2012, 09:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Femmeworth

Next gen consoles need to have universal font options or something. Will it happen? No. :\

I would welcome this greatly. Won't happen though :(

Seems it would easy, but idk, it's probably hard to program or something. And it messes with loc translations.

And it's true, I never have problems reading blu-ray subtitles.
davidsaurus
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(11-03-2012, 09:17 PM)
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Honestly, I have no idea how you cope with any game? This doesn't seem any worse than normal and in fact I've seen a lot worse, as mentioned Sleeping dogs' font size is at least half of Dishonored's.
LuchaShaq
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(11-03-2012, 09:17 PM)
I have no problem with the font size in the OP.

Not the games fault you sit far away from a small tv.

That said for people with poor eyesight I don't see why you can't change font size in most games.
CambriaRising
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(11-03-2012, 09:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by dock

Why aren't subtitles for Blu-rays done with tiny text, if this is 'ideal' ?

It isn't Tiny, it is only tiny to you because of your tiny screen and distance from the screen.

Originally Posted by Recall

My chair is 6 foot from the TV and I see it all fine. 12 feet might as well be a mile, seriously a genuine 12 foot distance is quite a way away.

This too. Even with my 55" I still stil around 7-8 feet away at most when playing games.
jediyoshi
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(11-03-2012, 09:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by dock

Why aren't subtitles for Blu-rays done with tiny text, if this is 'ideal' ?

Because they don't have to account for other design elements.
dock
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(11-03-2012, 09:20 PM)
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Why aren't subtitles for Blu-rays done with #Game Size# text, if this is 'ideal' ?

Question adjusted for pedants.

It wasn't until the last few years that games would require you to be sat within 6ft of the screen. Personally I like my living room arrangement and nothing except games (and mostly western games at that) expect such a specific setup.
Neuromancer
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(11-03-2012, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by dock

My TV is 32", my game is running in 720p through HDMI, and my head is about 12 feet from the screen.

Holy shit. It must look like a postage stamp to you, no wonder you're having problems. You're way outside the optimal viewing distance for a screen that size.

I'm not saying this to be an ass or to be mean or anything. I think you ought to look into either getting a bigger tv or moving your couch or chair closer.
MisterHero
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(11-03-2012, 09:21 PM)
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Resolution issue aside, that's an awful font choice.

Screw Capcom's HD game text too. Dead Rising was an early gen mistake so it could be forgiven. Later on, their fighting games had command lists that were nearly impossible to read.

It's kind of mindblowing that The Last Story does the same thing despite being an SD game. I still love it though. :P

There are games that let you move parts of the HUD around but not change the size of the text. Devs will get their text crap together next-gen. Hopefully.

Nintendo's somewhat covered. If a game doesn't acknowledge your TV options, it might be more legible on the Wii U pad.
Lord Error
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(11-03-2012, 09:22 PM)
You're sitting way too far from the TV of that size. That text seems relatively fine IMO, if you'd sit where you should be sitting.
Canis lupus
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(11-03-2012, 09:23 PM)
Problem seems to be the 2nd pic.
Cronox
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(11-03-2012, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by dock

How is it an over-reaction? I can't read any of the text in the game or menus without leaning forward and squinting. I'll just pick up the game when I buy an enormous TV in a few years.

Whoa, whoa, if squinting is making it actually look better, you really should get yourself checked out for glasses. Many people who don't think they need them actually do.
CambriaRising
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(11-03-2012, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by dock

Why aren't subtitles for Blu-rays done with #Game Size# text, if this is 'ideal' ?

Question adjusted for pedants.

It wasn't until the last few years that games would require you to be sat within 6ft of the screen. Personally I like my living room arrangement and nothing except games (and mostly western games at that) expect such a specific setup.

You are sitting too far away. You have no other options than to buy a new TV, or move closer. This is not going to change as resolutions go higher and higher so get used to it.
dock
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(11-03-2012, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lyphen

Think that's bad? Try New Little King's Story.



That font is no more than 4 millimeters on the Vita's screen.

That's pretty unforgivable! :(
Respawn
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(11-03-2012, 09:24 PM)
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Not sure if OP is serious? Font is fine. Im playing on my 24" computer monitor.
AwakenedCloud
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(11-03-2012, 09:25 PM)
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That's considered small? I wouldn't want it any bigger. Pigger problem is the text in the 2nd pic doesn't have some type of border.
Neuromancer
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(11-03-2012, 09:26 PM)
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Optimal viewing distance guidelines (Wikipedia):





dock
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(11-03-2012, 09:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by CambriaRising

You are sitting too far away. You have no other options than to buy a new TV, or move closer. This is not going to change as resolutions go higher and higher so get used to it.

By this frame of logic, are you suggesting that TVs will get larger and larger to accommodate the extra pixels, and font sizes will remain the same?

I will probably just exercise the third choice, which is to avoid games like this until I have a different living room set-up. I can play all other games just fine.
Stitch
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(11-03-2012, 09:28 PM)
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I love Red Dead Redemption but the tiny subtitles were awful.

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