bigdaddygamebot
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Do you have a small child?
You're saying you'll let a child watch something based solely on the fact that it's a cartoon?
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Man Edits Wind Waker so 3-Year Old Daughter Doesn't Feel 2nd Class
- Thread starter Bobby Roberts
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Do you have a small child?
You're saying you'll let a child watch something based solely on the fact that it's a cartoon?
Not that I have a daughter, but wouldn't it be OK if the father can explain to her along the way? It's not like she 100% sure to grow the wrong way if she watched the scary part of Wind Waker.
PorygonVandal
Member
ITT: People who had bad parents.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
what if he is reading it to her
for fuck sake the amount of hate in this thread is stupid.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Kinda this. I would think it far more beneficial to teach that heroism is something that stretches beyond gender boundaries, rather than argue over "equal share."
Koopakiller
Banned
kinda weird to go to such lengths, should have just given her a first person game. but why are the parents forcing their kid to waste away playing videogames? bad parenting all around
Smiles and Cries
Member
I think the world needs to change before this will help his little girl feel more empowered
every woman being treated badly today use to be 3 years old once in a way this guy is kinda putting up a rose-glass window in front of his little girl's eyes. An Illusion. I think it would be best for her to know the truth about the world she is growing in and be prepared to fight for her rights as a human being.
stick to bedtime stories right now, I don't see anything amazing about lying to your child.
JordanN
Banned
Well that's a different subject. I was only defending/refuting a point where having a quota on "games with "x" amount of gender" is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
she isnt fucking playing video games, she is bonding with her father whilst HE plays video games. She might be super interested in the game and he changed it to be what he wants her to be thinking.
So he might have just been playing and noticed she was watching it all the time.
its like reading a fucking book to her, but different.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Yes...he totally could but you don't get to decide what a child tucks away in their brain.
My daughter routinely amazes/devastates me over what she remembers and busts out a month or three months or a year later.
There's plenty of time to expose your children to things like that. I actually thought about letting my daughter watch me play Wind Waker.
It's charming and cute right? It's a cartoon right?
I got back into it and played the first three hours to run a quick audit. There's things in there that a small child doesn't need to be exposed to.
It's not even about causing "damage" to the kid.
There's about a thousand better things to be doing with his toddler than having her watch him play Wind Waker.
What the hell are they doing on a computer then?
No hate here, I just don't get why someone would do this?
I understand his reasoning why he wants to change it, but not the modification.
I mean I am also changing for example the name in a fairy to the one of my daughter when I read it for her, but I don't rewrite the whole book because of it.
That's actually really great. As the promoted reader comment states, "there are almost no female superheroes sutible for a small girl, and of the few there are, there is NO merchandise for. Unless she wants to be a princess there aren't many videogame options for a young girl either."
I.e.
I.e.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Some parents try way too fucking hard.
If changing the pronoun in a videogame story is lying, then so are bedtime stories ...
Incitemaybe
Member
Cool dad. I can't imagine anyone would fabricate a reason to not like this.
It's odd how strongly people feel gender matters in identifying a character or another person as a hero to themselves. We probably wouldn't change anthropomorphic characters into humans to better the game for our kids, but we might change their gender for the same purpose.
Of course, Sonic fans don't apply to this.
Of course, Sonic fans don't apply to this.
Koopakiller
Banned
sorry, I didn't know that watching some dude playing videogames was a bonding experience
hamauzu kaito
Member
that would defeat the purpose as it would be more difficult to actually play with the child. Harder to teach child to read if they cant clearly see text. My family did this with animal crossing for wii with my little sister. Really helped her reading and taught her some valuable lessons. And because animal crossing avoids putting gender in a lot of the text it was good.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Also, how's she going to feel when she grows up and finds how Link is a man and she has been lied to her entire life.
Megaton reveal.
Megaton reveal.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Although - aren't a lot of the characters in children's entertainment anthropomorphized specifically so that it's easier for kids to identify with them?
Your dad leaving you when you were ten doesn't mean everyone else must suffer as well.
Smiles and Cries
Member
same difference but does he edit all of the classic children books for her?
Does he read her SLEEPING HANDSOME instead of Sleeping Beauty?
Good intentions. Questionable impact (which is normal for these sorts of things) - especially given that Link's character model is a boy's and makes boy-ish sounds.
Not really sure why people are criticizing this so much. There really aren't many games with heroines as the main playable character, especially when you're looking for something suitable for a 3-year old, and eliminate the buxom, scantily-clad, or other poor things put into place to appeal to male fantasies.
Young children are -incredibly- impressionable. We learn how to speak by years of sitting around as a baby watching and listening to those around us. Gender stereotypes are often imprinted from birth as well, with people dressing up baby girls in pink dresses and giving them barbie dolls or whatever vs. blue shirts/pants and action figures for boys.
What this father is doing is a drop in the bucket of a world that will constantly be pushing gender biases on his daughter, but it's a nice thought of him to try to give her a female hero.
Not really sure why people are criticizing this so much. There really aren't many games with heroines as the main playable character, especially when you're looking for something suitable for a 3-year old, and eliminate the buxom, scantily-clad, or other poor things put into place to appeal to male fantasies.
Young children are -incredibly- impressionable. We learn how to speak by years of sitting around as a baby watching and listening to those around us. Gender stereotypes are often imprinted from birth as well, with people dressing up baby girls in pink dresses and giving them barbie dolls or whatever vs. blue shirts/pants and action figures for boys.
What this father is doing is a drop in the bucket of a world that will constantly be pushing gender biases on his daughter, but it's a nice thought of him to try to give her a female hero.
XANDER CAGE
Member
I think this is rather cute, although I do find it a bit odd that somebody conscious/worried enough about gender issues to hex-edit a game in this manner would be letting his daughter play a game that drags out the damsel in distress trope out in the first place.
Personally I don't have a problem with the Zelda series having a male protagonist or anything, I just find his logic a bit strange.
Personally I don't have a problem with the Zelda series having a male protagonist or anything, I just find his logic a bit strange.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Hahahaha, what the shit is this?
toddhunter
Member
It is, kids will naturally take an interest and I have no problem with it.
Three year olds will happily play games like wheres my water or physics based puzzlers like cover orange and the like. It only makes sense they would want to play dad games as well.
But I'm sorry, unless your three year old is pulling you up and saying "Dad that isn't what the text says, fucking read it right" this is all going way too far.
The heart is in the right place, but personally I feel the time and energy would be better spent in another direction. Still not like I don't waste time on all sorts of shit.
It's okay, let it all out. I'm here for you. My shoulder is yours.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Eh? Do you mean hackneyed?
The Mana Legend
Banned
Are you the man that this thread is about? You seem pretty angry about people criticizing this man.
Yeah, fuck him, right?!
Piece of shit, trying to bond with his daughter while, at the same time, personalizing the experience so his daughter can imagine being a hero.
That tryhard. Pretending that kids like to imagine and stuff. Stupid.
Going way too far?
What? How is it to far that he took the time to make sure he could personalize the experience for his daughter?
if he is telling her the story as it goes along how is it not? how is that different to reading a book?
The Mana Legend
Banned
Overreaction of the thread right here.
It's okay, denial is natural. The tears will come soon. Let them flow; they heal.
It does seem to help attract kids. I think it allows kids stories to talk about certain things in an approachable manner if the characters are human-like in emotion, but non-human and not as threatening or as near the reality. Of course, I am not sure you really get that sort of thing being done in videogames. Anthropomorphic character in gaming seems to just be a product of seeing its use in other child products and recognizing it as marketable.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Hahaha, holy fucking shit dude. I'm pretty sure most people stopped with this tactic in Middle School. But no, really, your dad cannot beat up my dad.
dragonlife
Member
That's sweet.
If she can read along, even better. My nephew was able to read at three, too. It kinda scared me.
If she can read along, even better. My nephew was able to read at three, too. It kinda scared me.