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CrunchyFrog
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(11-09-2012, 08:01 AM)
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I said damn. Another dev bites the dust.
Xenon
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(11-09-2012, 08:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by CrunchyFrog

I said damn. Another dev bites the dust.

Unfortunately it's in the form of a curb stomping.
jett
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(11-09-2012, 08:08 AM)
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Well, that's it for SK. It was always an utterly ridiculous lawsuit from them, not surprised it blew on their faces.
Eusis
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(11-09-2012, 08:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by slasher_thrasher21

So they have till Dec 21st to comply? The MAYANS KNEW!!!!

So they were just predicting the end of Silicon Knights? Man, it'd have been more awesome if they just got Eternal Darkness 2 out that day or something.

Originally Posted by Xenon

Unfortunately it's in the form of a curb stomping.

Fitting, given the games Epic develops. Though Silicon Knights ran right into this situation, so it's harder to feel sorry than for many other developers. Well, harder to feel sorry for Dyack anyway, it's possible to feel MORE sorry for all the employees that got screwed by their boss like that.
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(11-09-2012, 08:11 AM)
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Recall and destroy at their own expense. Game over dude.
Xenon
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(11-09-2012, 08:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Eusis

Fitting, given the games Epic develops. Though Silicon Knights ran right into this situation, so it's harder to feel sorry than for many other developers. Well, harder to feel sorry for Dyack anyway, it's possible to feel MORE sorry for all the employees that got screwed by their boss like that.

I feel sorry for all of SK's employees. Too Human never had a chance thanks to DD's leadership.

edit: Gamestop is no longer selling Too Human new. I went with amazon for it and the Xmen:D.
Last edited by Xenon; 11-09-2012 at 08:18 AM.
Sklorenz
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(11-09-2012, 08:14 AM)
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Hahah... sometimes I wish Dyack was never banned. What horrible news for SK, though. Really awful that this had to happen to their studio... totally unnecessary.
Riposte
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(11-09-2012, 08:22 AM)
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Canada should pay Epic now, it is only fair.
kami_sama
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(11-09-2012, 08:24 AM)
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This is the opportunity for Nintendo to grab the Eternal Darkness IP!
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(11-09-2012, 08:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by kami_sama

This is the opportunity for Nintendo to grab the Eternal Darkness IP!

Eternal Darkness 2 for the Wii U that uses the Pad for great uses of psychosis?
Yes Please!
Eusis
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(11-09-2012, 08:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by Xenon

I feel sorry for all of SK's employees. Too Human never had a chance thanks to DD's leadership.

edit: Gamestop is no longer selling Too Human new. I went with amazon for it and the Xmen:D.

GameStop still lists it for me. Maybe I should buzz by later just to see if I can pick it up for $6.
Air Zombie Meat
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(11-09-2012, 08:26 AM)
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Hows that for reciprocity Denis?
Rubius
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(11-09-2012, 08:27 AM)
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I feared to read the words Eternal Darkness in this text. What is all of this BTW, why do they need to destroy this code?
LabouredSubterfuge
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(11-09-2012, 08:29 AM)
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Holy fuck that is an absolutely brutal order. Damages of $4,400,000 too.
Haunted
(11-09-2012, 08:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by SapientWolf

Who was their lawyer? Lionel Hutz?

efyu_lemonardo
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(11-09-2012, 08:33 AM)
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Wow...

Free Radical<<Factor 5<Silicone Knights<Rare

Fear the Nintendo curse. Fear it I say!

Better yet, just fear shitty business decisions and lousy management...
B-Dex
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(11-09-2012, 08:34 AM)
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Well I guess Epic should sue Disney now. Turok runs on a heavily modified Unreal Engine 3.... #oop
JaseC
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(11-09-2012, 08:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Haunted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvSx7-CTTl4

Originally Posted by B-Dex

Well I guess Epic should sue Disney now. Turok runs on a heavily modified Unreal Engine 3.... #oop

Epic countersued.
JimFear
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(11-09-2012, 08:35 AM)
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but heh... why they have to do this?
JB1981
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(11-09-2012, 08:37 AM)

Originally Posted by JaseC

The ultimate backfire. Dyack ruining SK purely by his own hubris is impressive in its own right. At least the undoing of 38 Studios was by Schilling's sheer ignorance of the industry.

It's like a Gaf backfire thread but in real life
NinjaBoiX
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(11-09-2012, 08:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by MTMBStudios

Pro-tip:
DO NOT SUE EPIC GAMES

I dunno, it wasn't so much sueing them that was the problem, it was doing so with poor reasoning, and spending the best part of 10 years getting evidence together.

As far as I'm aware, that's why the judge threw the case out.
Eusis
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(11-09-2012, 08:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by B-Dex

Well I guess Epic should sue Disney now. Turok runs on a heavily modified Unreal Engine 3.... #oop

... Uhh... they're a licensed developer, unlike Silicon Knights which abandoned the license and apparently kept some of the code in their own engine.
plufim
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(11-09-2012, 08:38 AM)
it's ok because retro is making eternal darkness 2, right? right?
B-Dex
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(11-09-2012, 08:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by JaseC

Epic countersued.

Yeah but they won. Precedent has been set. Apparently using modified code of an engine you've licensed means you forfeit everything associated with what you've created with that modified engine.

They could go for Bioshock and a slew of other games now too.
Strike
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(11-09-2012, 08:40 AM)
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What a difference one generation makes. Can't say I'm surprised that this is pretty much it for the studio. They were really pushing their luck. So does that mean that Too Human and X-men Destiny will be collector's items now?
plufim
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(11-09-2012, 08:41 AM)

Originally Posted by kami_sama

This is the opportunity for Nintendo to grab the Eternal Darkness IP!

AFAIK they already have it
JaseC
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(11-09-2012, 08:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by B-Dex

Yeah but they won. Precedent has been set. Apparently using modified code of an engine you've licensed means you forfeit everything associated with what you've created with that modified engine.

They could go for Bioshock and a slew of other games now too.

Originally Posted by Eusis

... Uhh... they're a licensed developer, unlike Silicon Knights which abandoned the license and apparently kept some of the code in their own engine.

Precisely the reason for the counterclaim:

Originally Posted by CVG

In 2007 Silicon Knights founder Denis Dyack alleged that Epic had failed to provide the Ontario studio with a game engine of the quality that it was originally promised. Dyack also claimed that the expensive development of Too Human was due to his studio's decision to abandon Unreal Engine 3.

Silicon Knights went on to build its own tech, which it claimed was proprietary, to finish work on Too Human. Epic countersued Dyack's company for allegedly plagiarising Unreal tech when building its new engine.

sprsk
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(11-09-2012, 08:42 AM)
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Ruthless.
lingiii
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(11-09-2012, 08:42 AM)
Feels bad man.

However, I immediately went to Amazon to pick up Too Human and X-men Destiny. Then thought about it a second and went "nawww".
Mr. Pointy
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(11-09-2012, 08:45 AM)
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Ok Nintendo, just give ED2 to Next Level, and no one will be the wiser when SK disappears up Denis' butthole.

PS: make it for the 3DS
YoungFa
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(11-09-2012, 08:48 AM)
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Isn't destroying the Code like book burning?
Eusis
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(11-09-2012, 08:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by B-Dex

Yeah but they won. Precedent has been set. Apparently using modified code of an engine you've licensed means you forfeit everything associated with what you've created with that modified engine.

They could go for Bioshock and a slew of other games now too.

Originally Posted by JaseC

Precisely the reason for the counterclaim:

Man, I was kinda hoping he was joking, or at least would've instantly gotten it. No, this is basically like wondering why someone managed to walk out with an electronic when another guy got arrested, ignoring the other person paid for it while the guy being arrested tried to sneak it out with other goods or in his jacket. It's a complete non-issue for the likes of Bioshock unless someone was insane and decided to use the engine without paying first, heavily modified or not.
Joni
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(11-09-2012, 08:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by B-Dex

Apparently using modified code of an engine you've licensed means you forfeit everything associated with what you've created with that modified engine.

They paid for the license... SK didn't, they just stole the code to make their 'own' engine. Epic Games makes money by selling that engine and letting people modify it.
pushneim
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(11-09-2012, 08:52 AM)
I think I should play Too Human. Morbid curiosity and all that.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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(11-09-2012, 08:54 AM)
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Funny, I just started playing Too Human last night.

It's not up to Silicon Knights to stop distributing those games, they're Microsoft's and Activision's properties. I don't know much about the US legal system, are they obliged to comply with this?

And what was The Sandman game? Do we have any information about it?
bakedpony
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(11-09-2012, 08:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by gumby_trucker



Wow...

Free Radical<<Factor 5<Silicone Knights<Rare

Fear the Nintendo curse. Fear it I say!

Better yet, just fear shitty business decisions and lousy management...

Should Retro get scared??? Platinum Games???
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(11-09-2012, 09:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by bakedpony

Should Retro get scared??? Platinum Games???

retro is owned by nintendo. they're fine. platinum is just partnering for two games as far as we know, but they were already pretty fucking aces well before that.
sado
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(11-09-2012, 09:05 AM)
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Appreciate the heads up on the Gamestop deal. Picked it up myself. Now just going to cross my fingers for the next few days and hope that they still ship it. Always meant to pick it up eventually but with this happening now, no choice bug to snag a copy.

Also to the posters above, I was still able to pick up the new copy of the game. This was at 3AM CT.
Last edited by sado; 11-09-2012 at 09:10 AM.
Uncle Rupee
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(11-09-2012, 09:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Strike

So does that mean that Too Human and X-men Destiny will be collector's items now?

In the same way that petrified dino turds are collector's items
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(11-09-2012, 09:08 AM)
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Destroying the code is too much. Assign all the property to Epic or something.
Jackpot
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(11-09-2012, 09:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by B-Dex

Yeah but they won. Precedent has been set. Apparently using modified code of an engine you've licensed means you forfeit everything associated with what you've created with that modified engine.

They could go for Bioshock and a slew of other games now too.

Uh, SK stole the engine and tried to pass it off as their own in-house one.
ozfunghi
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(11-09-2012, 09:12 AM)
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So how's that working out for you, Denis?
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(11-09-2012, 09:14 AM)
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:O wow
Rafaelcsa
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(11-09-2012, 09:25 AM)
I'm curious. How is Epic able to prove that SK was still using their engine after supposedly abandoning it? Epic is not allowed to inspect the source code, right? So how do they know and prove that it's still their engine?
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(11-09-2012, 09:29 AM)
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I don't want to see any company crushed, but everything that's happened to Dyack seems to be of his own doing, and he's a very difficult guy to sympathize with. I feel bad for feeling good about this news.
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(11-09-2012, 09:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rafaelcsa

I'm curious. How is Epic able to prove that SK was still using their engine after supposedly abandoning it? Epic is not allowed to inspect the source code, right? So how do they know and prove that it's still their engine?

They look with their eyes. Unreal games have a very distinct look to them.
Rafaelcsa
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(11-09-2012, 09:30 AM)

Originally Posted by NinjaBoiX

They look with their eyes. Unreal games have a very distinct look to them.

I imagined that's how they know that it's their engine. But is that how they prove it to the law?
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(11-09-2012, 09:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rafaelcsa

I'm curious. How is Epic able to prove that SK was still using their engine after supposedly abandoning it? Epic is not allowed to inspect the source code, right? So how do they know and prove that it's still their engine?

The texture pop-in
Shiggy
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(11-09-2012, 09:32 AM)
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What is "The Sandman"?
NinjaBoiX
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(11-09-2012, 09:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rafaelcsa

I imagined that's how they know that it's their engine. But is that how they prove it to the law?

"Your honour, you will notice that the main protagonist looks kind of plastic, and that his armour is just a big blurry mess. Wait, wait, just hang on a sec, there it is!"

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