[GuardianE]

And they didn't HAVE to offer you an opportunity to get this DLC for free at all either, your point?

My point is that it's not a fair comparison. And if one needs to be made, DMC3:SE is far more consumer friendly and ethical simply on the fact that it was POST-RELEASE developed product.

[Zephyrus]

I'm 100% sure NT said we wouldn't be able to play as Vergil in the game... he wouldn't even be dlc.


That said... I'm now buying this game

[robotzombie]

Like it or not, that's nothing unique to Capcom though. You know what other game has DLC planned months before release? Every game. Was there even a game (besides smaller indie stuff) in 2012 that didn't have DLC planned from the start? Pretty much the only difference is some don't announce it until later, but it's always planned way before.

It always boggles my mind when people argue AGAINST having as much info as early as possible

[Dahbomb]

I'm 100% sure NT said we wouldn't be able to play as Vergil in the game... he wouldn't even be dlc.

They said you wouldn't be able to play him on the Day 1 release disc. They were very specific about it as to avoid confusion.

[ezekial45]

I'm 100% sure NT said we wouldn't be able to play as Vergil in the game... he wouldn't even be dlc. That said... I'm now buying this game

They never said we wouldn't period, just not in the core game.

[sleepykyo]

Isn't it also with Best Buy?

Not at the moment.

Amazon

Pre-order Devil May Cry and receive the Amazon exclusive Bone Weapons Pack and character perk. Transform Dante's shotgun, scythe and axe into precision crafted bone and strike fear into the hearts of the demon world! You’ll also receive access to the orb harvester – allowing you to collect hoards of extra red orbs to upgrade your weapons and combos, as well as purchase items. A code to access the exclusive content will be emailed to you within two days of your order shipment. This offer will be extended to all pre-orders. Offer valid when shipped and sold by Amazon.com, while supplies last. Amazon reserves the right to change or terminate this promotion at any time. Please read the PlayStation Network and Xbox Live terms of use.

Best Buy

With the Golden Pack, you can transform Dante's weapons into brutal, solid gold instruments of death. The character pack offers you access to the item finder — helping you hunt down hidden items. Code for bonus will be included on game package. While supplies last.

Gamestop gets Vergil and the Samurai Pack.

[Gbraga]

It will cost 9 bucks if you didn't preorder it.

EDIT: Seems like they used UMVC3's hitboxes as inspiration lol

I'm 100% sure NT said we wouldn't be able to play as Vergil in the game... he wouldn't even be dlc. That said... I'm now buying this game

It was actually Capcom's Alex Jones, and he said that he wouldn't be playable in the retail product, he actually stated that DLC was a possibility, but he wasn't playable in the main game.

[demidar]

It seems they managed to put a price on 60 fps, since you won't get this for free on PCs.

[Zephyrus]

That's not Vergil. This is Vergil.

He looks almost identical unlike Dante

[PartTimeWarrior]

So wait

Not only will I play as the better Dante, I can play as the better Vergil, too?!

Thank you Capcom

[Zephyrus]

It will cost 9 bucks if you didn't preorder it. EDIT: Seems like they used UMVC3's hitboxes as inspiration lol It was actually Capcom's Alex Jones, and he said that he wouldn't be playable in the retail product, he actually stated that DLC was a possibility, but he wasn't playable in the main game.

so once again I have to pay extra despite pre-ordering all my games...

Glad I live in Portugal where I'm not robbed for every goddamn thing.

Vergil should be dlc offered on every new copy. Not a fucking pre-order dlc

[Oemenia]

The Pigsy DLC was excellent, lasting a good 6 hours and playing quite differently too the main game. I really think NT can pull this one off well.

Edit: Whoops 4 hours, still excellent for a game that is around 10 hours long and having different gameplay mechanics.

[Gbraga]

so once again I have to pay extra despite pre-ordering all my games... Glad I live in Portugal where I'm not robbed for every goddamn thing. Vergil should be dlc offered on every new copy. Not a fucking pre-order dlc

Agreed, some kind of online pass would be a lot better than this.

[gabbre]

He looks almost identical unlike Dante

LOL no

So wait Not only will I play as the better Dante, I can play as the better Vergil, too?! Thank you Capcom

-72/10

[GuardianE]

So wait Not only will I play as the better Dante, I can play as the better Vergil, too?! Thank you Capcom

Blasphemous. I can understand some people preferring DmC's Dante because of personal taste differences. DmC Vergil is nothing compared to DMC3 Vergil. Notice how they didn't have him speak in the trailer.

[Snapshot King]

The Pigsy DLC was excellent, lasting a good 6 hours and playing quite differently too the main game. I really think NT can pull this one off well.

The pigsy DLC was longer than the main game?

[Dahbomb]

So wait Not only will I play as the better Dante, I can play as the better Vergil, too?! Thank you Capcom

This post is totally not a bait at all.

Nope. Definitely not a bait.

[JoeFenix]

You know, I think people need to approach this whole scenario a bit differently. Sure, Capcom has been doing this for what seems like forever. They did it with Street Fighter II back on SNES/Genesis, and yes, they've done it with DMC3 with DMC3SE. The thing is, why do they CONTINUE to do it? It's a bad practice, no matter how you try and justify it. Maybe the younger generation that played/purchased all of these Capcom re-releases didn't know any better because they were, you know, young and ignorant. I wasn't even thinking about business practices, consumer exploitation, etc. when Capcom did this back with Street Fighter II. Even more so, my parents probably bought me Super Street Fighter II Turbo or whatever for Christmas. I had no control over my support of these horrible practics. But now that I'm older and more mature I can choose not to support it because it's bullshit. Enough is enough, you know what I mean?

The difference is that the DMC 3 team put everything that they had done into the original version, the SE content was not sitting there fully developped but locked behind a pay wall. The game ended up being a hit but had some issues (difficulty was singled out in reviews) so they had the team work on a director's cut kind of version with extra content. This DLC is completed or in VERY advanced stages of development, it's all planned out from the start, paraded in front of you but blocked behind a pay or preorder wall.

It's disgusting. And beyond all those issues did anyone even look at the trailer? Looks like complete and utter shit, I was actualy playing DMC 3 this morning and this is a travesty. Anyone trying to convince themselves that this looks great should go play 3 or even 4 again.

What a fucking joke!

[ezekial45]

The difference is that the DMC 3 team put everything that they had done into the original version, the SE content was not sitting there fully developped but locked behind a pay wall. The game ended up being a hit but had some issues (difficulty was singled out in reviews) so they had the team work on a director's cut kind of version with extra content. This DLC is completed or in VERY advanced stages of development, it's all planned out from the start, paraded in front of you but hidden behind a pay or preorder wall. It's disgusting. And beyond all those issues did anyone even look at the trailer? Looks like complete and utter shit, I was actualy playing DMC 3 this morning and this is a travesty. Anyone trying to convince themselves that this looks great should go play 3 or even 4 again. What a fucking joke!

Now you're just being bitter.

[Gbraga]

Blasphemous. I can understand some people preferring DmC's Dante because of personal taste differences. DmC Vergil is nothing compared to DMC3 Vergil. Notice how they didn't have him speak in the trailer.

I like DmC Vergil but I agree with you, their Vergil made me realise that they Capcom was right in not letting them do a "Dante fanart" (as NT defined themselves) and instead pursue their own vision of the character. DmC Dante is much more fresh and unique, like him or not, Vergil is just a not-as-good version, even though I still like him.

Of course I'm only talking about visuals, I still have to play the game to judge them as characters.

[Snapshot King]

Now you're just being bitter.

What's wrong with being bitter over DLC practices this generation? They're filthy.

[Reallink]

Maybe PC version will include it in the core package. Right guys? Right?

[ezekial45]

My reputation precedes me.

Ezekiel45 is a completely retarded fucking faggot who tries WAY too hard to like video games jimmyqballs 18 minutes ago 4

He didn't even spell my name right.

[JoeFenix]

Now you're just being bitter.

I'm being realistic, they had no way to release content back then other than a physical release. You want to put everything in the package because you don't know if you'll get another chance at ever including new content. Game was successful and got a greatest hits version, they made it a director's cut version with extra content that was made AFTER the initial versions success.

This is content being held back that's already completed. They are showing it to you already but you can't have it for your 60$. That's pretty fucking bad.

And it does look like ass, I thought Dante's animations were janky looking but Vergil's.... It's a joke. Sorry.

[Snapshot King]

My reputation proceeds me. He didn't even spell my name right.

To be fair, isn't the standard spelling with an E instead of an A?

[Zephyrus]

LOL no -72/10

Looks way closer than Dante...

I do agree about the voice.

[Chamber]

Blasphemous. I can understand some people preferring DmC's Dante because of personal taste differences. DmC Vergil is nothing compared to DMC3 Vergil. Notice how they didn't have him speak in the trailer.

Don't respond to obvious trolls, friend.

[Acquiescence]

Free if you pre-order? Sweet. Severely hope we get the same sort of offer here in the UK too.

[witchedwiz]

DLC trailer announcement before the game is even out. Awesome.

yeah..
but now thye just made me go with "15£ bomba price" :)

[Principate]

LOL no -72/10

Considering how even dante's design isn't consistent amongst games it's about as close as you would logically get without being a carbon copy of the previous version.

[Seik]

I remember when he was an unlockable.

Same.

Now it will be a fucking lame 100kb unlock key...

Seriously, announcing DLC before launch is almost insulting.

[Dahbomb]

If the small chance that this ends up being an on disc DLC then there is going to be a shit storm of epic proportions around here.

[Anteater]

I like Vergil's animations much more than Dante's, seems a lot less floaty and more fluid.

[CambriaRising]

Unlockables that could have been an evolution from the previous method of "re-selling", but instead cost us isn't worth the complaints?

If you care that much, pre-order from gamestop. I am a big advocate for treating the consumer fair, and not being shitty about DLC. But I have no doubt that this was not taken out of the game just to be sold. Is it kind of tasteless to announce it this early? Yes, I am always against that. However, I don't feel like this is anything but an actual "Add-On".

Well, if you don't buy at Gamestop, you don't get it for free, even if you have it pre-ordered somewhere else. Limiting access like that seems like a fair complaint. At least let everyone have a chance at their most accessible retailer.

I agree. But thats the way it works right now, and the publishers play by the retailer's ruleset in a lot of cases.

[JoeFenix]

If the small chance that this ends up being an on disc DLC then there is going to be a shit storm of epic proportions around here.

Won't be on disc because of backlash but it's already completed. Same exact thing!

[Saint Gregory]

Won't be on disc because of backlash but it's already completed. Same exact thing!

Won't be on disc so hackers don't get it for free like what happened with SFxT.

[GuardianE]

Don't respond to obvious trolls, friend.

This advice is sound.

If the small chance that this ends up being an on disc DLC then there is going to be a shit storm of epic proportions around here.

It won't be. I'm positive the DLC is finished or near completion, but they won't add it to the disc after the backlash they've received from SFxT. They'll pretend it's still being worked on and release it a safe distance from the launch. There will be some assets on there for sure, though.

[ezekial45]

If the small chance that this ends up being an on disc DLC then there is going to be a shit storm of epic proportions around here.

If it makes you feel better, NT's twitter page had this to say.

Vergil's Downfall trailer : http://youtu.be/AqOY_IHBfEw #notondisc

https://twitter.com/NinjaTheory/stat...24731289149441

[Snapshot King]

If it makes you feel better, NT's twitter page had this to say. https://twitter.com/NinjaTheory/stat...24731289149441

Well no, probably no space left on the disc what with the bloody palace and skins dlc.

[sleepykyo]

Won't be on disc because of backlash but it's already completed. Same exact thing!

No it isn't. Now if you didn't go for the Gamestop pre-order, you can rest safe in knowing that you're paying Sony/Microsoft in addition to Capcom.

[Yuterald]

360 opens the pandora's box with charging not for the mp itself, but the opportunity to have mp. Bethseda starts monetizing in game items. eg. Horse armor Ubisoft cuts off the endings/prologues as dlc in games like PoP 2008 and Tomb Raider Underworld Activision announces in advance that ~$60 of dlc will required for keeping up with the jones in CoD, in advance of the game release. The season pass goes mainstream. That enough is enough/straw that broke the camel's back line got crossed a long time ago.

True, but I guess I was just keeping the discussion to Capcom since it's the topic.

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. But you and I both know that's not going to happen. Capcom and all these other companies have got the sweet taste of DLC profits, and they're not going to give that up. Ever. All they can do to calm people is to make things a bit more comfortable and easy for them to swallow

See, I think it could still happen. I just think we need someone with enough power/money to make the change. I get it though, these companies have more than digested those DLC profits/numbers and there's likely no going back, but weirder things have happened, right? I know the following scenario would be least likely to happen, but entertain the idea for me:

What if someone like Activision decided to stop pushing DLC for their CoD games and instead emphasized in-game/at purchase content and consumer value? What if Activision made a BIG PUBLIC STINK in favor of a non-DLC future? In 2013, all of their games would be DLC free and instead be packed to the brim with content (maps) at launch. If Activision stood by this decision and people bought their games and internalized this "DLC Bad, Valued Packaged Good" mindset then the practice would certainly trickle down to other companies. I believe everyone (the industry, gamers, publishers, developers) would benefit from this change, but until then (or if it ever happens), things are only going to get worse.

[ezekial45]

Well no, probably no space left on the disc what with the bloody palace and skins dlc.

[Gbraga]

Well no, probably no space left on the disc what with the bloody palace and skins dlc.

Skins are DLC, but are also unlockable, DLC will be just early access, that was already confirmed.

Weapon skins in the other hand are DLC only and will probably be on disc, since it's a pre-order bonus.

[Dahbomb]

Activion NOT milking their products???



Almost as unlikely as Capcom not milking the Vergil fanbase.

[KibblesBits]

This needs to be in every Capcom thread from now on.

[GuardianE]

What if someone like Activision decided to stop pushing DLC for their CoD games and instead emphasized in-game/at purchase content and consumer value? What if Activision made a BIG PUBLIC STINK in favor of a non-DLC future? In 2013, all of their games would be DLC free and instead be packed to the brim with content (maps) at launch. If Activision stood by this decision and people bought their games and internalized this "DLC Bad, Valued Packaged Good" mindset then the practice would certainly trickle down to other companies. I believe everyone (the industry, gamers, publishers, developers) would benefit from this change, but until then (or if it ever happens), things are only going to get worse.

I read this as, "What if someone like Activision hated effortless money?"

[Snapshot King]

[Dahbomb]

Only way DLC goes out of practice is if someone comes up with a way to milk their games in a more devious fashion.

[CorrisD]

Meh, I'm not massively interested in the game though it is on my list of games to get a few months after release when it is cheaper (I enjoy the series but am pretty terrible at them, lol), but I find myself even less caring with this sort of thing.

These little stories that to me would be seemingly great for the lore and to expand the product, especially for something like DmC where fans opinions are already mixed on it being a reboot yet these companies continue to try and, what is the saying, nickle and dime us? at every opportunity.

Watch it being on disc DLC. Otherwise make it a stand alone game like Infamous Festival of Blood and I'll play.

Not enough companies do this, kind of like RDR's Undead Nightmare disc, though that was more expensive, or the Dead Rising stuff. I can totally get onboard with small side stories that don't require the main game and give you a taste of the actual game, more so if it includes some sort of unlockable.
Though Festival of Blood is probably the best I've personally seen, great little mini story.

[Tobe]

he will return be bought.