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chubigans
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(11-13-2012, 07:46 PM)
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...and even if you have a game on Steam, it doesn't necessarily let you bypass Greenlight:



Originally Posted by Greenlight FAQ

Who should submit their games to Steam Greenlight? Is there another way to submit my game to Steam?

Steam Greenlight has replaced our previous submission process. Any developer or publisher who is new to Steam and interested in submitting their game to the platform should submit their game through Steam Greenlight.


(chubigans edit: the "only new devs" isn't necessarily true as many indie devs who have games on Steam are being asked to go through Greenlight for their new titles, such as Wadjet Eye games.)

http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/a...=765%A7ion=faq

This is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.
Last edited by chubigans; 11-13-2012 at 07:59 PM.
shadyspace
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(11-13-2012, 07:47 PM)
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Be lazier Valve.
Eusis
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(11-13-2012, 07:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by chubigans

This is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.

If Modern Warfare 4 goes through it'll be worth it for the hilarity.

But yeah, it's kind of problematic. Seems like it'd be better for augmenting, not displacing the approval process.
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(11-13-2012, 07:48 PM)
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Greenlight announced for indie games - "YAY, this is SO COOL!"

Greenlight announced for everyone - "OMG FFS this is SO DUMB!"
Zia
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(11-13-2012, 07:48 PM)
Really disappointed in Valve. They're determined to have little to no customer or developer support for a service they keep expanding.
SafeinSound
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(11-13-2012, 07:48 PM)
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Oh wow...Seriously Valve?
Emitan
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(11-13-2012, 07:48 PM)
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Wow. That's strange.
Silex
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(11-13-2012, 07:49 PM)
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So Activision will have to submit their next Call of Duty through Greenlight? Fine with me then. What a shitty move
grimshawish
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(11-13-2012, 07:49 PM)

Originally Posted by shadyspace

Be lazier Valve.

Yeah am not seeing any of this as a good thing.
I want a service not a voting pool.

Its pathetic.
Carl
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(11-13-2012, 07:49 PM)
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Absolutely stupid
kadotsu
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(11-13-2012, 07:50 PM)
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Is it really that hard to curate your store by yourself, Valve? Crowdsourcing should only augment your process not replace it.
Oni Jazar
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(11-13-2012, 07:50 PM)
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This is only for devs new to Steam people. Not the big 'uns.
The Boat
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(11-13-2012, 07:50 PM)
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I thought we should be moving towards making it easier for devs to put their games up, not harder.
Detox
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(11-13-2012, 07:50 PM)
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Not surprising plenty of shit developers already have games on stream, they can just be paid to 'publish' another devs game and it would probably be way easier then trying to drum up support for your game through online communities.
Bisonian
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(11-13-2012, 07:50 PM)
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"Any developer or publisher who is new to Steam and interested in submitting their game to the platform should submit their game through Steam Greenlight."

What am I missing?
epmode
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(11-13-2012, 07:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by KMD

Greenlight announced for indie games - "YAY, this is SO COOL!"

Greenlight announced for everyone - "OMG FFS this is SO DUMB!"

This is actually a reasonable belief if you'd think about it for more than 5 seconds.

Originally Posted by Bisonian

"Any publisher or developer who is new to Steam" ...

What am I missing?

For one thing, Wadjet Eye isn't new to Steam and they're stuck with Greenlight for their next game. Also, Greenlight is awful for finding good games that may not have a mobilized fanbase.
Last edited by epmode; 11-13-2012 at 07:55 PM.
grimshawish
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(11-13-2012, 07:50 PM)

Originally Posted by KMD

Greenlight announced for indie games - "YAY, this is SO COOL!"

Actually "Yay, this is a good start" - I wasn't expecting Steam to use it for all their submissions; the problem was suppose to be Steam couldn't review all the submitted games in a fair way.

Now its just them saving money and generally providing a lesser service.
Interfectum
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(11-13-2012, 07:51 PM)
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Any developer or publisher who is new to Steam and interested in submitting their game to the platform should submit their game through Steam Greenlight.

^ I'm not seeing what's wrong with this. Why the meltdowns?
chubigans
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(11-13-2012, 07:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bisonian

"Any publisher or developer who is new to Steam" ...

What am I missing?

The fact that even devs who are not new to Steam are still put through the Greenlight process.
Santiako
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(11-13-2012, 07:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Oni Jazar

This is only for devs new to Steam people. Not the big 'uns.

Originally Posted by Bisonian

"Any publisher or developer who is new to Steam" ...

What am I missing?

The dev of Gemini Rue and other games already on Steam has been told to use Greenlight for example, it's not only for the new ones.
Sir_Crocodile
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(11-13-2012, 07:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by KMD

Greenlight announced for indie games - "YAY, this is SO COOL!"

Greenlight announced for everyone - "OMG FFS this is SO DUMB!"

Because it is

Steam need some kind of filter for the countless number of new unknown indies who no doubt solicit their games for sale.

Known devs shouldn't have to go through the same process.

That said, this news makes me happy as it means GOG might start to see more new games.

then again they might go to desura/origin/gmg
Bisonian
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(11-13-2012, 07:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by chubigans

The fact that even devs who are not new to Steam are still put through the Greenlight process.

I guess I'm asking where it says that considering it specifically does not say that right there on their FAQ. What am I missing?
diffusionx
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(11-13-2012, 07:52 PM)
Greenlight is terrible, it's not my job to evaluate games without playing them.

Put the work in Valve.
Wunder
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(11-13-2012, 07:52 PM)
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Bizarre. It does say "any developer of publisher who is new to steam", so are previous publishers exempt from greenlight?

nvm. This is really weird.
DenisQc
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(11-13-2012, 07:53 PM)

Originally Posted by Bisonian

"Any developer or publisher who is new to Steam and interested in submitting their game to the platform should submit their game through Steam Greenlight."

What am I missing?

so it could be for new developers and publisher, for their first game ?
and then for the next ones the old way and not greenlight ?
Patryn
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(11-13-2012, 07:53 PM)
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Nevermind. Answered above.
Ferrio
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(11-13-2012, 07:53 PM)
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No Valve, BAD VALVE.
Eusis
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(11-13-2012, 07:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sir_Crocodile

then again they might go to desura/origin/gmg

We have some of those Greenlight games on GOG already, fortunately.
RionaaM
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(11-13-2012, 07:54 PM)
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Wasn't this announced as soon as Greenlight was born? This is only for developers who haven't released other games on Steam, and are totally new to the service.
chubigans
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(11-13-2012, 07:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bisonian

I guess I'm asking where it says that considering it specifically does not say that right there on their FAQ. What am I missing?

Well, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that some major indie devs are already being put through the Greenlight process despite having successful indie titles already on Steam. So I would say that FAQ isn't actually accurate.
ZombieSupaStar
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(11-13-2012, 07:54 PM)
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hey now the 1 person working for valves customer service department needs time off too!
CheesecakeRecipe
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(11-13-2012, 07:54 PM)
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Greenlight turned from a cool idea into kind of shit real fast. The whole thing isn't very well implimented IMO.
Dog Problems
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(11-13-2012, 07:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wunder

Bizarre. It does say "any developer of publisher who is new to steam", so are previous publishers exempt from greenlight?

No. There's people who have games on there already and still have to go through Greenlight. Wadjet Eye games is an immediate example that comes to mind.
subversus
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(11-13-2012, 07:55 PM)
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this just means that if you're small no matter how many games on Steam you have - you have to go through Greenlight anyway.
Jotamide
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(11-13-2012, 07:55 PM)
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The fuck? Will Greenlight then still be limited to 10 games a batch?
DenisQc
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(11-13-2012, 07:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Dog Problems

No. There's people who have games on there already and still have to go through Greenlight. Wadjet Eye games is an immediate example that comes to mind.

ok so a real mess then

if they could update the FAQ and make it clearer with examples...
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(11-13-2012, 07:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by KMD

Greenlight announced for indie games - "YAY, this is SO COOL!"

Greenlight announced for everyone - "OMG FFS this is SO DUMB!"

Well, yeah. You really can't see the problem here?
Im_Special
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(11-13-2012, 07:55 PM)
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There are already a few tweets now from already established indie dev's that are saying that they are being forced to go through Greenlight even though they already have game(s) on Steam. That is why this little meltdown is happening.
DieH@rd
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(11-13-2012, 07:56 PM)
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So, this is only for new developers or publishers. Sounds OK.
jooey
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(11-13-2012, 07:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Greenlight is terrible, it's not my job to evaluate games without playing them.

Put the work in Valve.

ok

*puts in the work*

"C'MON VALVE GET OFF YOUR ASS AND FINISH HL3"

oh ok

*finishes hl3*

"REAL FUCKIN' GREAT VALVE NOW I GOTTA UPVOTE ALL THESE ZOMBIE GAMES MYSELF"

shit sorry

*gets back to self-evaluating*

"ARE WE GETTING RICOCHET 2 OR WHAT???????"

*valve exits game business to make eyes for replicants*
Jamie OD
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(11-13-2012, 07:56 PM)
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This has been a very messy process from the get go.
ashbash159
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(11-13-2012, 07:56 PM)
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Just to make it clear for everybody, the title of this thread does say all new publishers and developers, which doesn't mean the next Call of Duty will have to go through the Greenlight process.
Joni
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(11-13-2012, 07:57 PM)
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Something something open and flexible platform something something catastrophe?
I really doubt this is a good idea.
StarCreator
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(11-13-2012, 07:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by DieH@rd

So, this is only for new developers or publishers. Sounds OK.

The OP states everyone is being forced through Greenlight now, even the publishers already on Steam. The tweets starting this thread are from an established publisher.
Carl
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(11-13-2012, 07:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by DieH@rd

So, this is only for new developers or publishers. Sounds OK.

Read the thread...
The Grim Heaper
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(11-13-2012, 07:58 PM)
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Ugh, this really doesn't sound good.
grimshawish
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(11-13-2012, 07:59 PM)

Originally Posted by jooey

*finishes hl3*

You forgot *starts hl3*

lolololol
No seriously you missed out starts hl3
bkane
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(11-13-2012, 07:59 PM)
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The old submission process (which lived here) was shut down on July 9th when Greenlight was first announced. Yes, that means there was a period of about 6 weeks where there was simply no way to even apply for Steam. Greenlight has been the only route for developers new to Valve to get their titles on Steam since then.
Bisonian
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(11-13-2012, 08:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by chubigans

Well, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that some major indie devs are already being put through the Greenlight process despite having successful indie titles already on Steam. So I would say that FAQ isn't actually accurate.

If you follow the link, from a twitter post, to the page from Primordia it sounds like Steam declined the game, not just summarily kicked them to Greenlight. It's at least one case that is extremely anecdotal.

Not to white knight Valve here, but to make a jump from this to assuming Black Ops 3 is going to need to be on Greenlight is asinine. There is still a submission process, of course there is. Some indie games will continue to get declined and passed off to Greenlight, as was the plan all along. Just seems like massive overreactions up and down this thread and an overly sensational thread title.
Interfectum
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(11-13-2012, 08:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by StarCreator

The OP states everyone is being forced through Greenlight now, even the publishers already on Steam. The tweets starting this thread are from an established publisher.

The major publishers won't be going through the greenlight process. This is still targeted towards indie developers. I'm not seeing the cause for panic.

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