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Mr. Enigma
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(11-19-2012, 02:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Roth

Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:

That's a Dolphin screenshot, asshole.
Hero of Legend
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(11-19-2012, 02:13 AM)
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Best way to tell is to set your Wii U to 480p and back to 1080p to compare, don't bother playing it on the Wii for comparison unless somehow it's still upscaled? If you know what I mean?
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(11-19-2012, 02:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kaijima

I don't have a digital camera good enough to make a difference at home, but I can see a major difference in the scaling between my Wii and Wii U when changing inputs.

The Wii U's wii mode output actually puts a slight black border around all sides of the image. The nature of the scaling artifacts is different from the output of my Wii (using component, not composite). Colors on the Wii U side are more vibrant, less washed out by the upscale. I am not sure if one or the other is "cleaner" in terms of upscaling artifacts. But the Wii U side looks less stretched and distorted.

Verdict: I would assume the Wii U is upscaling the image before sending it to the TV. The output looks nothing like the TV's own scaler on the vanilla Wii's input.

Do you have a decent enough camera to take comparison shots?
Anth0ny
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(11-19-2012, 02:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Neff

To avoid confusion, I'll again present how upscaling works compared to upresing.



At the very least, true digital output will give a much better PQ than the Wii ever did.

There we go.
RoboPlato
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(11-19-2012, 02:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

... upscaled by the Wii U, or upscaled by your TV?

If the set says it's outputting in 1080p then the Wii U is scaling it.
nhlducks35
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(11-19-2012, 02:14 AM)
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Doesn't this just mean that there are no black bars around the image?
Eusis
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Originally Posted by Kaijima

I don't have a digital camera good enough to make a difference at home, but I can see a major difference in the scaling between my Wii and Wii U when changing inputs.

The Wii U's wii mode output actually puts a slight black border around all sides of the image. The nature of the scaling artifacts is different from the output of my Wii (using component, not composite). Colors on the Wii U side are more vibrant, less washed out by the upscale. I am not sure if one or the other is "cleaner" in terms of upscaling artifacts. But the Wii U side looks less stretched and distorted.

Verdict: I would assume the Wii U is upscaling the image before sending it to the TV. The output looks nothing like the TV's own scaler on the vanilla Wii's input.

Makes me glad I held off on a bunch of Wii games, the image is alright on my TV but a lot of games do look kind of washed out.

Originally Posted by nhlducks35

Doesn't this just mean that there are no black bars around the image?

Not all upscaling is equal, some TVs or systems have better hardware/software for it than the other does. You could see this with, say, different PDF readers on a tablet or whatever, some of them do good smoothing, while some look like pixalated messes.
Last edited by Eusis; 11-19-2012 at 02:16 AM.
Plinko
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(11-19-2012, 02:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Roth

Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:

LOL
Tagg9
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(11-19-2012, 02:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Seik

This.

I'm guessing by the fact that no one has done it yet that the results are rather negligible.
flippedb
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(11-19-2012, 02:16 AM)
Nice to hear. Might actually play SS once I get a Wii U
BlackGhost
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(11-19-2012, 02:16 AM)
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if this is true its awesome, have alot of wii games i need to play. still havent played Res4 .......
Currygan
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(11-19-2012, 02:16 AM)
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I DEMAND PICS
LevityNYC
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(11-19-2012, 02:16 AM)
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could the better look be due to the HDMI input vs. component input?
alr1ght
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(11-19-2012, 02:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by CrunchyFrog

Except the FPS counter in the top left clearly means its running in dolphin :/

except anyone with eyes can tell that's not simply upscaled.
TheGreatDivide
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(11-19-2012, 02:17 AM)

Originally Posted by Roth

Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:

Holy shit, gonna go out and buy a Wii U now!
Aaron Strife
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(11-19-2012, 02:18 AM)
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In a similar vein, here's what Twilight Princess looks like

Kai Dracon
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(11-19-2012, 02:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by LevityNYC

could the better look be due to the HDMI input vs. component input?

It could be that. I dunno.
MThanded
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(11-19-2012, 02:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Roth

Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:

trolling lol
Margalis
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(11-19-2012, 02:19 AM)

Originally Posted by MThanded

"upscaled"

Why is this in quotes?

This is exactly what the term means. Is there another kind of upscaling?
H_Prestige
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(11-19-2012, 02:19 AM)
Err, what the fuck else would your 1080p display be showing other than a 1080p image?
Eusis
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(11-19-2012, 02:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kaijima

It could be that. I dunno.

If it is it'd probably be because the Wii U's outputting an HDMI signal itself. HDMI converters far as I could tell looked exactly the same as a Wii with component, surely because it was just interpreting that signal.
MThanded
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(11-19-2012, 02:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Margalis

Why is this in quotes?

This is exactly what the term means. Is there another kind of upscaling?

Straight upscaling is not inherently going to make anything look better. It's just doubling dimensions. A lot of people don't understand this.
Mlatador
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(11-19-2012, 02:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Enigma

That's a Dolphin screenshot, asshole.

Dead man speaking?
Currygan
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(11-19-2012, 02:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Enigma

That's a Dolphin screenshot, asshole.

and we're off to a good conversation
UnaiGamer
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(11-19-2012, 02:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige

Err, what the fuck else would your 1080p display be showing other than a 1080p image?

The TV could be doing the upscaling itself, but in this case the Wii U is doing it.

Is the Wii U games also upscaled to 1080p?
ozfunghi
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(11-19-2012, 02:21 AM)
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Seriously? No one has a WiiU and a random Wii game to post a screenshot?
cloudyy
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(11-19-2012, 02:22 AM)
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Yeah, the question here is does the wiiu handle the upscaling or not. That's all we need to know. Upres-ing won't happen.
RoboPlato
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(11-19-2012, 02:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by Aaron Strife

In a similar vein, here's what Twilight Princess looks like

Funnily enough that is actually an upscaled image, from 720p to 1080p.
Ahasverus
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(11-19-2012, 02:23 AM)

Originally Posted by ozfunghi

Seriously? No one has a WiiU and a random Wii game to post a screenshot?

Hahaha yeah
SPE
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(11-19-2012, 02:23 AM)

Originally Posted by H_Prestige

Err, what the fuck else would your 1080p display be showing other than a 1080p image?

It means that the TV is receiving a 1080p signal, not that is it displaying something in 1080x1920.

When you play on a Wii hooked up to a 1080p TV, the TV will get a 480p signal and do the scaling itself.

Set 720p in your 360's dashboard, and the TV with get a 720p signal, and upscale so it fill the 1080p screen.
Eusis
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(11-19-2012, 02:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by ozfunghi

Seriously? No one has a WiiU and a random Wii game to post a screenshot?

To do it justice you'll want to have something capturing the feed to take a screenshot from. A phone pic won't do justice, though it probably will be of SOME use if you do it with a Wii screen too.
neptunes
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(11-19-2012, 02:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by cloudyy

Yeah, the question here is does the wiiu handle the upscaling or not. That's all we need to know. Upres-ing won't happen.

I think you mean wether the Wii U is internally rendering the game at 1080p.
Medalion
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(11-19-2012, 02:23 AM)
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The TV is doing the upscaling, not the system of course
sevenchaos
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(11-19-2012, 02:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by MThanded

Straight upscaling is not inherently going to make anything look better. It's just doubling dimensions. A lot of people don't understand this.

Exactly. I took some photos. Shits blurry as hell.



Ydahs
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(11-19-2012, 02:24 AM)
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Can anyone else confirm this? It might just be OP's TV doing the upscaling considering it's been explicitly stated the WiiU won't upscale Wii games.
EightBitNate
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(11-19-2012, 02:25 AM)
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Doesn't look that bad, IMO
MThanded
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Originally Posted by sevenchaos

Exactly. I took some photos. Shits blurry as hell.



Looks a lot like mario does when my tv upscales it.
Eusis
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(11-19-2012, 02:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ydahs

Can anyone else confirm this? It might just be OP's TV doing the upscaling considering it's been explicitly stated the WiiU won't upscale Wii games.

The screens above show the resolution as 720p. The Wii U is definitely sending a 720p signal here.

If possible, please take shots of the same or similar images on a Wii to compare, that'll give some idea of how the Wii U could be better at scaling here.
SPE
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(11-19-2012, 02:25 AM)

Originally Posted by Medalion

The TV is doing the upscaling, not the system of course

When you change the source on your TV, it should flash up what signal it's receiving. If the source for the Wii U HDMI shows 1080p/60 or similar, the the console is doing the scaling, not the TV.
Instro
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(11-19-2012, 02:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by neptunes

I think you mean wether the Wii U is internally rendering the game at 1080p.

No, he means is it handling the upscaling internally or not, just like he said.
Medalion
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(11-19-2012, 02:26 AM)
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The Wii-U still transmits in whatever resolution you set your TV to output in...BUT it does not upres the 480p games

It's not that hard people
Margalis
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(11-19-2012, 02:27 AM)
You really need a comparison shot of the same game running on Wii vs Wii U...a shot of just the Wii U version by itself is pretty meaningless.

BUT it does not upres the 480p games

Hence the use of the term "upscale" rather than "upres."

The Wii put out a 480 signal, it didn't upscale. The question here is does the WiiU upscale Wii games and is the upscaling better than what a TV would generally do?
Instro
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(11-19-2012, 02:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Medalion

The Wii-U still transmits in whatever resolution you set your TV to output in...BUT it does not upres the 480p games

It's not that hard people

We are not talking about upresing, read the thread.
Unregistered007
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(11-19-2012, 02:27 AM)
shit they need to use software enhancing like with initial PS3s.

Add AA as well.
SPE
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(11-19-2012, 02:28 AM)

Originally Posted by sevenchaos

Exactly. I took some photos. Shits blurry as hell.



There you go, the TV is saying it's receiving a 720p signal. The Wii U is upscaling the Wii games to 720p and outputting that to the TV.

As others have said, the native resolution of the Wii games is the same. But having the Wii U upscale should result in a cleaner image for a lot of folks, as it will do a better job than many TV's crappy scalers.
sevenchaos
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(11-19-2012, 02:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by MThanded

Looks a lot like mario does when my tv upscales it.

Exactly. No better. No worse. And I'm okay with that.
DMPrince
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(11-19-2012, 02:28 AM)
thank you for the update nintendo. well worth the wait.
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(11-19-2012, 02:29 AM)
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I've never understood the concept of upscaling. It's a fancy way of saying stretched right?
dwu8991
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(11-19-2012, 02:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by EightBitNate

Doesn't look that bad, IMO

put it on a HD projector

and stand 10 meters back

Now you're playing in HD !
Pazuzu9
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(11-19-2012, 02:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by StuBurns

I've never understood the concept of upscaling. It's a fancy way of saying stretched right?

Yes.

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