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KojiKnight
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(12-02-2012, 02:50 AM)
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In reference to a question Marcan got on the Wii U's CPU clock at 1.25ghz...

Originally Posted by Marcan

If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU.

Food for thought. (And don't bother asking me who that little birdie is.)

Marcan is one of the key members of failoverflow and a lead hacker in the Wii/Wii U scene. He apparently has some sources in the know, aside from confirming the exact specs of the Wii U himself through hacking means.


Lock if old, I did a quick search and came up with nothing... but the tweet is 14 hours old so I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something.

(edit) Whoops, forgot to put the source. https://twitter.com/marcan42

(edit 2) Some clarification edits.
Last edited by KojiKnight; 12-02-2012 at 06:31 AM.
24FrameDaVinci
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1.6ghz? What's the clock on the 360?
antonz
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Originally Posted by 24FrameDaVinci

1.6ghz? What's the clock on the 360?

3.2ghz.

Marcan is trying to remind people that the WiiU CPU while it could certainly be much more powerful its not all about the clockspeed
Hero of Legend
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What's the Mhz of the PS3 and 360's CPU again?

Edit: Answered above.

Ahem...

Why would you make the CPU weaker than your own last console!?

Unless it has more threads or cores or whatnot, but in raw numbers, that to me is unheard of, but I'm no expert so...
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Sounds terrible. Right?
JordanLMiller
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Originally Posted by 24FrameDaVinci

1.6ghz? What's the clock on the 360?

Originally Posted by antonz

3.2ghz

Weaker than 360 confirmed.
zyxwvu4321
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Last gen confirmed.
Alchemy
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Originally Posted by 24FrameDaVinci

1.6ghz? What's the clock on the 360?

Believe it has three CPUs (each dual core) at 3.2ghz.
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so how many bits is that?
beast786
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it would be nice to know the number of cores?
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Worthless information is worthless.
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(12-02-2012, 02:52 AM)
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It's over, console gaming is finished.
Kyou
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so Nextbox is gonna be super weak, got it.
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how many cores?
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Architecture makes a difference
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Quoting myself, from the other thread:

Originally Posted by Insane Metal

Yeah, people forget that technology advancement is more important than Ghz. The first processors to get to 3Ghz were the P4. That was back in 2002 IIRC. 10 years later, how further have we gone? 4Ghz? But if you compare the 22nm microarchitecture of today with the 130nm of that time you know what happens.

Also,

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Believe it has three CPUs (each dual core) at 3.2ghz.

It's actually one CPU, with 3 cores, running at 3.2Ghz, each one capable of two threads.
Last edited by Insane Metal; 12-02-2012 at 02:56 AM.
Eyothrie
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Oh god, I would LOL myself to death if this is true
Glorified G
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Did he also say the architecture is 13 years old?
DonMigs85
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Is it 8 cores? With very high IPC and OoOE?
Orayn
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Originally Posted by Hero of Legend

What's the Mhz of the PS3 and 360's CPU again?

Edit: Answered above.

Ahem...

Why would you make the CPU weaker than your own last console!?

Unless it has more threads or cores or whatnot, but in raw numbers, that to me is unheard of, but I'm no expert so...

You are definitely not an expert. CPU architecture is more than clock speed and number of cores.
THE:MILKMAN
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I posted that in the Wii U thread earlier.

And most of the responses in this thread so far is why I didn't post it as a new topic.
User Name Here
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1.6ghz x 8 cores with two threads each? Or what?
frankie_baby
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Originally Posted by Glorified G

Did he also say the architecture is 13 years old?

Isn't it x86 based? That's like 30 years old
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Originally Posted by Glorified G

Did he also say the architecture is 13 years old?

Being an x86 the Durango is even older than that.

Edit: beaten.
Alchemy
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BUT DUDES, HOW MANY BITS?
KojiKnight
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No mention of cores or architecture... Obviously MHZ/GHZ isn't everything, that was Marcan's entire point in mentioning it in relation to the Wii U. Real question is, are all next gen systems ditching the high power CPUs? Wouldn't surprise me... more and more can be offset onto the GPU... Even if the CPU is only 30% faster than a Wii U (not just mhz wise, but actually only 30% faster overall) but the GPU is 3-5x stronger than the Wii U's the results would still be staggering.
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How many cores? how many threads per core? ect....
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What arch?

Because most x86 CPUs from AMD or Intel are a lot faster clock for clock than xenon or the WiiU CPU (bar the atom), if it is something like Intel's main CPU line then it would murder them.
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Originally Posted by Router

How many cores? how many threads per core? ect....

At least a thousand threads per core until the console launch.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Originally Posted by Eyothrie

Oh god, I would LOL myself to death if this is true

Why? What does this tell you that you get lulz from?
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Originally Posted by apana

At least a thousand threads per core until the console launch.

I am satisfied with this answer.
Arklite
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Even out of context it sounds too conservative for MSoft and the next Xbox. Not denying it but I wouldn't place any bets on that.
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It should be Quad Core @ 2 GHz imo.
Glorified G
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Originally Posted by KojiKnight

No mention of cores or architecture...

You realize without this info, this means nothing. right?
Orayn
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Originally Posted by User Name Here

1.6ghz x 8 cores with two threads each? Or what?

Take a look at this list and notice that the numbers go up with the same amount of cores at the same frequency.

Originally Posted by Glorified G

You realize without this info, this means nothing. right?

It could be an early lead if people wanted to start looking for commercially available parts of likely architectures around that clock speed.
SRTtoZ
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this thread makes no sense.

1) Rumor

2) how many cores/threads?

Its all meaningless unless you know that info.

My processor is 2.3ghz, OH NO, so bad right? Oh wait, its an ivy bridge i7.
Visualante2
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Did Reggie tell them this?
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Originally Posted by apana

At least a thousand threads per core until the console launch.

*slow clap*
Hero of Legend
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Originally Posted by Orayn

You are definitely not an expert. CPU architecture is more than clock speed and number of cores.

As I said. :P

So if Gigaflops is too expensive to run a CPU properly, go with Flipflops, much snugglier.
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Direct link to post in question: https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/274856397915697152
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Dynamite Shikoku
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Why would a wii hacker have this information?
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Originally Posted by GAMERG0D

It should be Quad Core @ 2 GHz imo.

More like 5 GHZ. At least.
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So 360 is SSJ Vegeta and Durango is Yamcha?
KojiKnight
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Originally Posted by Glorified G

You realize without this info, this means nothing. right?

Err yes, I know without that the information means nothing. I didn't make the thread to "prove a point". I merely posted what a prominent person in the hardware hacking business said. New news = New thread.

(edit) Dynamite: he's a general hardware hacker, he's working on iphone, PS3, wii, and Wii U. He also knows a lot of people in the industry. It's, of course, possible his information is wrong. Hence the "rumor" tag on the thread, but he's likely to have more accurate information than, say, Prachter or other analysts.
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Originally Posted by GAMERG0D

It should be Quad Core @ 2 GHz imo.

I bought my CPU 3 years ago and it beats that.
Hero of Legend
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Mr. Marcan, how many cores/threads/Mhz does it take to get to the center of this debate?
Zefah
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Mhz doesn't mean shit across different architectures.

Compare a 3.8ghz Pentium 4 to an Ivy Bridge i7 at 3.5ghz in an application that only uses a single core. The Ivy Bridge will utterly smoke it.
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I call bullshit.

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