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frankie_baby
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(12-12-2012, 04:02 PM)

Originally Posted by Principate

Almost certain some did, or rather like Bioshock, never entered development. 3DS was publically stated to have that as a potential problem and that was doing far better than the Vita was at a similar timespan.

Its quite possible the distinct lack of 3ds games in the west this holiday may be because of that situation
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(12-12-2012, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by frankie_baby

Its quite possible the distinct lack of 3ds games in the west this holiday may be because of that situation

That pretty much is certainly happen with some, hell Assassin's creed is proof (ironically released on the Vita).
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(12-12-2012, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by electroplankton

Pokémon starting to show legs, as expected (not by someone, though).

I said the game would likely end up a decent total eventually, but way, way down from previous entries. That is still the case.
lunchwithyuzo
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(12-12-2012, 04:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Father_Brain

On a related note, I'm genuinely curious as to why Bandai Namco and Koei Tecmo are still so bullish on Vita. Well, not that bullish - nearly all their upcoming titles are late ports or multiplatform with one of the other Sony platforms - but certainly relative to other Japanese third parties.

Panic mode SCEI. Welcome to what you can get. ;)

Marvelous AQL also has a strongish push for Vita coming up. All this plus SoulSac/PSO2 coming so close together in Q1/spring is feeling like a bit of an attempted platform relaunch/course correction. Or last gasp, take your pick.
Thoraxes
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(12-12-2012, 04:16 PM)
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Since people are calling LaytonXWright a bomba, what were L5/Capcom's sales estimates for it? If there were numbers I never got a chance to see em :/
Sadist
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(12-12-2012, 04:16 PM)
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Man, look at the 3DS go. Cool. Major bumps for software as well.

Wii U launch is pretty decent. Nothing more, nothing less.
AndrewDean84xX
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(12-12-2012, 04:19 PM)

Originally Posted by StreetsAhead

Wii U attach rate is 1.15 with just those four titles, but since the rest sold sub-8,000 it's unlikely to climb that much, haha.

Doesn't that mean that Nintendo is then making a profit on every Wii U?
Currygan
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(12-12-2012, 04:27 PM)
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jesus christ the 3DS. Nintendo's got a endless stream of cash flowing in

we knew about the U, good sales althogether
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(12-12-2012, 04:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by lunchwithyuzo

Panic mode SCEI. Welcome to what you can get. ;)

Marvelous AQL also has a strongish push for Vita coming up. All this plus SoulSac/PSO2 coming so close together in Q1/spring is feeling like a bit of an attempted platform relaunch/course correction. Or last gasp, take your pick.

What is kinda crazy to think about is that the Vita has a stronger 3rd party lineup than the WiiU for 2013. I wonder if the WiiU will be able to get "welcome to what you can get". When is the next Nintendo Direct?
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(12-12-2012, 04:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by test_account

What is kinda crazy to think about is that the Vita has a stronger 3rd party lineup than the WiiU for 2013. I wonder if the WiiU will be able to get "welcome to what you can get". When is the next Nintendo Direct?

The Wii U's situation is looking extremely similar to the Vita's. Let's see if the parallels continue with a harsh sales drop next week.
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(12-12-2012, 04:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Foshy

The Wii U's situation is looking extremely similar to the Vita's. Let's see if the parallels continue with a harsh sales drop next week.

The difference is that Nintendo's first party IPs can sustain a platform, to a certain extent.

Initial software sales damage the reliability of the Vita comparison.
Sadist
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(12-12-2012, 04:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by test_account

What is kinda crazy to think about is that the Vita has a stronger 3rd party lineup than the WiiU for 2013. I wonder if the WiiU will be able to get "welcome to what you can get". When is the next Nintendo Direct?

Q1 is pretty empty for 3DS as well, I'd say after Christmas. 3DS/Wii U mish mash
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(12-12-2012, 04:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sadist

Q1 is pretty empty for 3DS as well, I'd say after Christmas. 3DS/Wii U mish mash

Erm... this is Q1 which contains Dragon Quest VII and Monster Hunter 4, yeah?

Not a lot of quantity, sure, but the sales potential can't be doubted.
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(12-12-2012, 04:45 PM)
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also Paper Mario bomba :{ I hope it has legs
Celine
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(12-12-2012, 04:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sadist

Q1 is pretty empty for 3DS as well, I'd say after Christmas. 3DS/Wii U mish mash

3DS is going to have DQ7 remake in February and MH4 in March though.
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(12-12-2012, 04:47 PM)
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Seriously, where the hell are the 2013 Wii U announcements from Japanese third parties? We're rapidly approaching the point where it'll be safe to say that Nintendo is having the same problems courting third parties at home as they are in the West.
Sadist
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(12-12-2012, 04:49 PM)
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Woops, my bad.

Well they need soms extra releases to beef up the release list. Didn't they announce a lot of releases dates with the December 2011 Direct?
disco
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(12-12-2012, 04:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Celine

3DS is going to have DQ7 remake in February and MH4 in March though.

And AA5, Super Robot Wars, Layton 6, Yoktai Watch, IE123! and some other dribs and drabs.

EDIT: Luigi's Mansion 2, Band Bros. etc.
Foshy
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(12-12-2012, 04:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Exterminieren

The difference is that Nintendo's first party IPs can sustain a platform, to a certain extent.

Initial software sales damage the reliability of the Vita comparison.

Looking at worldwide numbers, software sales were very poor outside of Japan. Except for NSMBU (and Nintendo Land which was bundled), nothing sold any meaningful amounts. Also, there's next to nothing on the horizon.

I don't see the Wii U selling anywhere near the 3DS next week.
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(12-12-2012, 04:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Father_Brain

Seriously, where the hell are the 2013 Wii U announcements from Japanese third parties? We're rapidly approaching the point where it'll be safe to say that Nintendo is having the same problems courting third parties at home as they are in the West.

Yep. Very disconcerting.
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(12-12-2012, 04:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sadist

Q1 is pretty empty for 3DS as well, I'd say after Christmas. 3DS/Wii U mish mash

Yeah only Japan's two biggest 3rd party IPs will be released that quarter.
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(12-12-2012, 04:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Father_Brain

Seriously, where the hell are the 2013 Wii U announcements from Japanese third parties? We're rapidly approaching the point where it'll be safe to say that Nintendo is having the same problems courting third parties at home as they are in the West.

I used to put this down to Nintendo keeping everyone quiet until near launch. And then it launched...
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(12-12-2012, 04:55 PM)
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metalslimer
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(12-12-2012, 04:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Father_Brain

Seriously, where the hell are the 2013 Wii U announcements from Japanese third parties? We're rapidly approaching the point where it'll be safe to say that Nintendo is having the same problems courting third parties at home as they are in the West.

It's starting to look this might be disastrous, but Nintendo first party IP can keep Wii U afloat a lot longer than Sony's IP in Japan but that won't last forever. I'm seriously starting to think that almost every 3rd party is busy preparing for the launch of the other two to care, and what could go to Wii U is going to go to the 3DS instead. Speaking of the 3DS I realize MH4 and DQ7 is a huge Q1 for them, but where are the announcements for that as well.
hiska-kun
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(12-12-2012, 04:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Thoraxes

Since people are calling LaytonXWright a bomba, what were L5/Capcom's sales estimates for it? If there were numbers I never got a chance to see em :/

According to Media Create the first shipment is around 300k.
Maybe Christmas can save this disaster situation.
metalslimer
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(12-12-2012, 04:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by hiska-kun

According to Media Create the first shipment is around 300k.
Maybe Christmas can save this disaster situation.

Doubtful, I really hope this is just Level 5's bullshit interfering with the game and AA5 does much better.
vareon
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(12-12-2012, 05:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Father_Brain

Seriously, where the hell are the 2013 Wii U announcements from Japanese third parties? We're rapidly approaching the point where it'll be safe to say that Nintendo is having the same problems courting third parties at home as they are in the West.

What strikes me as weird is that that Fist of The North Star 2 game was announced for Wii U while One Piece was for PS3/Vita. I thought the reverse was more likely, but no.
Nekki
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(12-12-2012, 05:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zeer0id

also Paper Mario bomba :{ I hope it has legs

Bomba? It's in line with every single previous entry. I guess the franchise is just not as popular as we'd like it to be.
lunchwithyuzo
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(12-12-2012, 05:07 PM)

Originally Posted by test_account

What is kinda crazy to think about is that the Vita has a stronger 3rd party lineup than the WiiU for 2013. I wonder if the WiiU will be able to get "welcome to what you can get". When is the next Nintendo Direct?

I dunno, even the 2nd version of DQX is bigger than pretty much everything Vita has lined up. Wii U is frighteningly barren, but it hasn't been bomb city quite yet like Vita so there's hope.

Actually, which system sold more 3rd party software in 2012 so far, Wii or Vita?
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(12-12-2012, 05:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by vareon

What strikes me as weird is that that Fist of The North Star 2 game was announced for Wii U while One Piece was for PS3/Vita. I thought the reverse was more likely, but no.

Namco Bandai seems completely uninterested in the Wii U. One would have expected otherwise considering TTT2 and them helping out on Smash but here we are.
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(12-12-2012, 05:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Father_Brain

Seriously, where the hell are the 2013 Wii U announcements from Japanese third parties? We're rapidly approaching the point where it'll be safe to say that Nintendo is having the same problems courting third parties at home as they are in the West.

Originally Posted by Graphics Horse

I used to put this down to Nintendo keeping everyone quiet until near launch. And then it launched...

I kind of feel the "top secret NDA" suspicion has never panned out.

When the 3DS was announced, we found out about a huge slough of games. The only time it's really beneficial to hide what support you have is when, in reality, you don't have that much of it, since then you can at least try to push the idea that you have more support that's just being hidden.

If you really do have support though, it makes far more sense to just run around shouting about how incredibly well supported and successful you are so anyone who wants to buy your system will instantly know they will receive tons of high profile support.
metalslimer
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(12-12-2012, 05:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by lunchwithyuzo

I dunno, even the 2nd version of DQX is bigger than pretty much everything Vita has lined up. Wii U is frighteningly barren, but it hasn't been bomb city quite yet like Vita so there's hope.

Actually, which system sold more 3rd party software in 2012 so far, Wii or Vita?

Well DQX so easily Wii.

If you really do have support though, it makes far more sense to just run around shouting about how incredibly well supported and successful you are.

I agree the top secret NDA has basically become a safe point for people who don't really want to think of the possbility that Nintendo failed hard with 3rd parties, but to be fair Nintendo does have a history with super short interludes between announcement and release for HUGE games i.e. MH3G last year and DQ7 this year. They announced 3G far later than they should as bad as the 3DS was doing before the price drop.
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(12-12-2012, 05:12 PM)
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Congrats Nintendo for a good showing on home turf.

Vita...see ya around.
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(12-12-2012, 05:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by metalslimer

I agree the top secret NDA has basically become a safe point for people who don't really want to think of the possbility that Nintendo failed hard with 3rd parties, but to be fair Nintendo does have a history with super short interludes between announcement and release for HUGE games i.e. MH3G last year and DQ7 this year. They announced 3G far later than they should as bad as the 3DS was doing before the price drop.

Is that really Nintendo's doing though, or just how the third parties are rolling?

DQ6r also had an incredibly short announce -> release window, and I doubt Nintendo was telling someone to suppress information on an end of life DS title.
Father_Brain
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(12-12-2012, 05:17 PM)
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FWIW, I'm not quite as concerned about the minuscule number of third-party 2013 Wii U announcements to date (there's really no chance that DQX and FotNS are close to the entirety of 2013 Japanese third-party support for the platform) as I am about the lack of any indication that multiplatform titles like MGSV/Ground Zeroes, Lightning Returns, and Dark Souls II are coming.

I'm not expecting to see all of those titles on Wii U even in a best-case scenario, but if the situation isn't addressed to some extent within the next few weeks, it's probably safe to assume the worst.
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Originally Posted by Father_Brain

FWIW, I'm not quite as concerned about the minuscule number of third-party 2013 Wii U announcements to date (there's really no chance that DQX and FotNS are close to the entirety of 2013 Japanese third-party support for the platform) as I am about the lack of any indication that multiplatform titles like MGSV/Ground Zeroes, Lightning Returns, and Dark Souls II are coming.

I guess my question would be if there is much benefit to those three series?

Like, those three in particular seem like series that would likely be targeting the higher end of the PS4/720 next-generation and also trying to appeal heavily to the West where doing so is much more necessary.
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(12-12-2012, 05:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by RukusProvider

Congrats Nintendo for a good showing on home turf.

Vita...see ya around.

lol!
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(12-12-2012, 05:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by lunchwithyuzo

I dunno, even the 2nd version of DQX is bigger than pretty much everything Vita has lined up. Wii U is frighteningly barren, but it hasn't been bomb city quite yet like Vita so there's hope.

Actually, which system sold more 3rd party software in 2012 so far, Wii or Vita?

According to Garaph there were only 2 3rd party titles that charted so far this year for Wii, so in that case, Vita.

I'm interested to see if the recent One Piece and Jump games will do anything. PS3/PSV is better for Vita sales than PSP/PSV.

I'm very excited to see how MH4 does, as well. I have a feeling it will surpass expectations (unless expectations are MH3rd numbers).
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45% boost for NSMB2 during the week when NSMBU gets released? How can those games not cannibalize at all? Lol.

Pretty good WiiU debut, but I'm rooting for 3DS to be the biggest system these holidays.
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(12-12-2012, 05:23 PM)
I like to know what happens if the WiiU big in Japan but not big in EU or US?
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Originally Posted by twentytwo22

According to Garaph there were only 2 3rd party titles that charted so far this year for Wii, so in that case, Vita.

DQX was one of those titles. Of course there were a lot of Vita titles that did around 30k I believe so I guess Vita would win.

I like to know what happens if the WiiU big in Japan but not big in EU or US?

That's probably the worst case scenario for a console even though it's not terrible for a handheld.
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(12-12-2012, 05:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by metalslimer

DQX was one of those titles.

And? Vita 3rd combined sold over 600k, I guarantee it.
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Originally Posted by Zoe

That's what I was gonna say. They're not confused about the difference between the two in Japan, right?

Seemed like Wii software rose as well.
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Originally Posted by twentytwo22

And? Vita 3rd combined sold over 600k, I guarantee it.

Yeah I edited, but even the fact that it could be relatively close is pretty terrible.
lunchwithyuzo
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(12-12-2012, 05:25 PM)

Originally Posted by metalslimer

Well DQX so easily Wii.

All 3rd party Vita games haven't moved over 600k? That's a pretty frightening prospect. Shouldn't Persona 4G and Project Diva f be around 200k each? I have to imagine *everything* else is north of 200k combined?

By year's end Taiko SDX should probably be 300k+ and Inazuma Strikers Go maybe around 100k, so Wii pulling ahead in the end wouldn't be a stretch I guess.


Originally Posted by metalslimer

I agree the top secret NDA has basically become a safe point for people who don't really want to think of the possbility that Nintendo failed hard with 3rd parties, but to be fair Nintendo does have a history with super short interludes between announcement and release for HUGE games i.e. MH3G last year and DQ7 this year. They announced 3G far later than they should as bad as the 3DS was doing before the price drop.

The problem with the top secret NDA thing is that it's how Nintendo did things to this point though. It was like this for Blops 2, for EA Sports, for Sonic Racing 2, for NFSMW, for Epic Mickey 2, for WO3, for F1 Race Stars, for 007 Legends and tons of other examples. It's probably going to be the case again for stuff like Tomb Raider and Blacklist too. It's a terrible strategy yes, and yeah it may be more about veiling what they didn't get than what they did, but it's been backfiring at virtually every step.

We've been down this road before though, and it very well could turn out the same with expected support failing to materialize. Vita was generally given the benefit of the doubt until the following E3/GC/TGS though, while Wii U isn't yet a month old.
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(12-12-2012, 05:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nekki

Bomba? It's in line with every single previous entry. I guess the franchise is just not as popular as we'd like it to be.

Oh, really. I don't know about the series' history, but some in previous threads had said a number around 120k would be a disappointment. Pretty much what I based that comment on. :P

Maybe "bomba" was a bit harsh, lol
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Originally Posted by lunchwithyuzo

The problem with the top secret NDA thing is that it's how Nintendo did things to this point though. It was like this for Blops 2, for EA Sports, for Sonic Racing 2, for NFSMW, for Epic Mickey 2, for WO3, for F1 Race Stars, for 007 Legends and tons of other examples. It's probably going to be the case again for stuff like Tomb Raider and Blacklist too. It's a terrible strategy yes, and yeah it may be more about veiling what they didn't get than what they did, but it's been backfiring at virtually every step.

We've been down this road before though, and it very well could turn out the same with expected support failing to materialize. Vita was generally given the benefit of the doubt until the following E3/GC/TGS though, while Wii U isn't yet a month old.

There were criticisms of the "wait for" statements the entire time though. Only some gave the benefit of the doubt.
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We've been down this road before though, and it very well could turn out the same with expected support failing to materialize. Vita was generally given the benefit of the doubt until the following E3/GC/TGS though, while Wii U isn't yet a month old.

Well I was one of the people who were very skeptical of Vita's supposed amazing support that was coming, so I'm not going to really change that stance for Wii U. If you (Nintendo or Sony) don't show me the support I'm not going to BELIEVE until you do.

Oh, really. I don't know about the series' history, but some in previous threads had said a number around 120k would be a disappointment. Pretty much what I based that comment on. :P

Maybe "bomba" was a bit harsh, lol

It was that much for the entire month from DCCharlie's terribad predictions.
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(12-12-2012, 05:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zeer0id

Oh, really. I don't know about the series' history, but some in previous threads had said a number around 120k would be a disappointment. Pretty much what I based that comment on. :P

Maybe "bomba" was a bit harsh, lol

I presume they were talking LTD.

This figure is bang in line with what you should expect.

EDIT: Oh, you were thinking DCharlie's predictions. Say no more. :lol
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Nintendo having nearly 90% of the entire country's hardware sales is pretty insane.

multiple titles showing their legs and popping back up on the charts while poor Vita doesn't even get a holiday bump :\

and I agree about the Wii-U software situation in 2013, Nintendo is really keeping their cards too close to their chest there. One of many mistakes Sony made with the Vita was they had a solid launch but the future was, and sadly pretty much still is, a huge question mark. Future titles need to be revealed to build consumer confidence. Hopefully there's a nintendo direct coming to do just that, it'd be a pretty big mistake to wait all the way until e3/tgs 2013 to start showing games beyond the few we know about in q1/q2 2013.

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