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Quentyn
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(12-19-2012, 08:32 PM)
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They also have sales predictions in the bankruptcy filing.



Note: The document confirms Atlas is from Relic, and is presumably their f2p MOBA game.

Originally Posted by miladesn

there is another game. Crawler (working title) by Vigil in the document.

edit:

Development budget


Financial projections


Projected balance sheet


Source: http://www.kccllc.net/documents/8826...0000000002.pdf
Last edited by Nirolak; 12-19-2012 at 11:04 PM.
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(12-19-2012, 08:36 PM)
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Split bump.
shagg_187
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Atlas and Evolve. New to me.
Horse Armour
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(12-19-2012, 08:37 PM)
Lol at Darksiders 2 breaking even with 2.4million sales.

What's 1666?
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So, Atlas is probably a PC-game only, or a niche game. A new Homeworld sounds likely.

Edit: or not, according to Nirolak.
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Originally Posted by shagg_187

Atlas and Evolve. New to me.

Evolve is Turtle Rock's (Left 4 Dead creators) CryEngine 3 multiplayer co-op shooter that used to be called Wild.

I think Atlas is Relic's f2p MOBA game.
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Originally Posted by shagg_187

Atlas and Evolve. New to me.

Also 1666.
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Homefront 2 at 4m is ridiculous.

Saints Row 4 to release in Q1 2014?
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They expect a lot for those new IPs. South Park 11% budget in 2014? DLC or something?
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Originally Posted by Shard

Also 1666.

1666 is Patrice Désilets' game.
AHA-Lambda
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(12-19-2012, 08:40 PM)
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Any figures for theses budgets?

Also is Homefront 2 at 4m really that ridiculous? Didn't the first ship about that much?
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Originally Posted by marrec

Homefront 2 at 4m is ridiculous.

Saints Row 4 to release in Q1 2014?

Fiscal year ending Q1 2014 means it could be finished and out for the holidays, especially since less of its budget is there than Homefront 2, implying it's in development for less months in that fiscal year.
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

Fiscal year ending Q1 2014 means it could be finished and out for the holidays, especially since less of its budget is there than Homefront 2, implying it's in development for less months in that fiscal year.

So then can we assume that it'll be one of those hybrid releases? On both current and next gen hardware?

Edit:

Assuming there is at least one console release during the holidays.
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

Lol at Darksiders 2 breaking even with 2.4million sales.

What's 1666?

The Assassin Creed guy's new game
maquiladora
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(12-19-2012, 08:41 PM)
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How many of these are next gen titles?
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So Saints Row 4 next year?
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(12-19-2012, 08:42 PM)
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About 1666 we have this rumor (being about the Great Fire of London)

Originally Posted by Kifimbo

In a TV interview (in French) earlier this year, Désilets said he was leaving for London in a few hours to do some research for his next game.

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Originally Posted by maquiladora

How many of these are next gen titles?

1666 is, for sure. Probably Evolve (if it's not PC-only) and Homefront 2.
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I looked at the document and Atlas is Relic confirmed.
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(12-19-2012, 08:43 PM)
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HomeWorld 3 :'(
Horse Armour
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Is net sales the money per copy x number of copies?
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Originally Posted by AHA-Lambda

Any figures for theses budgets?

Also is Homefront 2 at 4m really that ridiculous? Didn't the first ship about that much?

People will be less willing to get burned a second time.
PistolPete
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(12-19-2012, 08:44 PM)
And no mention of a homeworld in production.

Idiots.
Empty
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(12-19-2012, 08:46 PM)
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what does contribution margin mean?
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(12-19-2012, 08:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by antitrop

People will be less willing to get burned a second time.

It's over with Crytek now, and for all the negatives Homefront did bring a lot of fresh things on the MP side that people identified with. 4 may be high, but I bet it does decently.
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epmode
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(12-19-2012, 08:48 PM)
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A spiritual successor is our only hope for Homeworld. God I miss that series.
LOCK
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Neato.

I'm going to assume that this means no new Darksiders.
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Originally Posted by PistolPete

And no mention of a homeworld in production.

Idiots.

Would Homeworld be the ONLY thing that THQ was missing to save them from this fate? Nope. Not at all. Gamers want it, but it won't light the sales chart on fire to justify it's cost, would it?
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Originally Posted by Empty

what does contribution margin mean?

I'm guessing it's how much money each game makes or contributes to revenue (if they hit their sales projections).
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Originally Posted by LOCK

Neato.

I'm going to assume that this means no new Darksiders.

They mention multiple f2p games in development, so I have a hunch Vigil is making at least one.
infinityBCRT
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(12-19-2012, 08:51 PM)
Here is my prediction, 1666 is a third person stealth action game set in an open world map of 17th century London.

Sound familiar? :)
miladesn
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there is another game. Crawler (working title) by Vigil in the document.

edit:

Last edited by miladesn; 12-19-2012 at 09:05 PM.
Saty
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(12-19-2012, 08:53 PM)
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So Darksiders 2 was expected to sell 2.4 M copies; made $78.2M in revenue and up to now it has lost THQ $500K?
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(12-19-2012, 08:56 PM)
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when a game sells 2.4m and doesn't make any money, something is wrong with d industry
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Originally Posted by Empty

what does contribution margin mean?

Contribution margin refers to the volume of sales that "contribute" to the offset of fixed costs.
Dr. Squid
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(12-19-2012, 08:58 PM)

Originally Posted by epmode

A spiritual successor is our only hope for Homeworld. God I miss that series.

What can I do to make this happen? I'm fiddling about with Unity right now and have been looking for a project to do.
Quentyn
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(12-19-2012, 09:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by AHA-Lambda

Any figures for theses budgets?

Just added the projected balance sheet and financial projections. That should help?
sleepykyo
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(12-19-2012, 09:01 PM)
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2.4 M and negative. Guess that explains the whole Darksiders needed 3M to continue.
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It's just so amazing how a game can sell 2 million today and not at least break even. I'm sad about the impending death of THQ not just for the games, but for the symbolic crushing defeat of the middle game.
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Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought thq was working on a warhammer mmo that they then decided to transform into a single player game?

I guess maybe with their current issues they had to drop it, shame though as a warhammer rpg could be pretty awesome.
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Originally Posted by metalslimer

It's just so amazing how a game can sell 2 million today and not at least break even. I'm sad about the impending death of THQ not just for the games, but for the symbolic crushing defeat of the middle game.

The problem is that the game had to get discounted an awful lot in order for it to set 2.4 million copies.
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Originally Posted by ReaperXL07

Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought thq was working on a warhammer mmo that they then decided to transform into a single player game?
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Dark Millenium, yeah. Definitely dead at this point, which is a shame considering it could have been the successor to the fantastic Space Marine.
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(12-19-2012, 09:08 PM)
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4m each for two unknown IPs and 4m for Homefront 2. Seems highly unlikely.

About as credible as the valuations that they gave their assets earlier this year.
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There were no plans for Space Marine 2 or Dawn of War 3? I could have sworn someone said DoW3 was in the works at least.

Still, sad to see them go.
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Originally Posted by Pai Pai Master

Dark Millenium, yeah. Definitely dead at this point, which is a shame considering it could have been the successor to the fantastic Space Marine.

Space Marine was surprisingly good. Definitely deserved a sequel.
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Originally Posted by Globox_82

when a game sells 2.4m and doesn't make any money, something is wrong with d industry

No there isn't, companies making bad decisions when this is the case is what is wrong with the industry.

Originally Posted by antitrop

People will be less willing to get burned a second time.

True, but shipping is different from selling.
Last edited by AHA-Lambda; 12-19-2012 at 09:21 PM.
miladesn
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Originally Posted by zomgbbqftw

4m each for two unknown IPs and 4m for Homefront 2. Seems highly unlikely.

About as credible as the valuations that they gave their assets earlier this year.

I'd say 2m for CoH2 is very optimistic too, maybe in 2-3 years at low prices, maybe.
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(12-19-2012, 09:13 PM)
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Homefront 2
4m

Pick One.
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(12-19-2012, 09:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by zomgbbqftw

4m each for two unknown IPs and 4m for Homefront 2. Seems highly unlikely.

About as credible as the valuations that they gave their assets earlier this year.

Their sales projections for their early 2013 games are quite optimistic as well.

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