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Joseph Flemming
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(01-07-2013, 03:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cosmo Clock 21

That's what "everybody" said about the 3DS and Vita. Only one of those systems actually got the announcements, and only one of those is performing healthily.

And only one of those systems was a Nintendo system,... The company that actually made the hard choice (and correct one) to do what was needed to correct the situation.
BadWolf
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(01-07-2013, 03:57 PM)
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Guess Sony was smart in not playing their price drop card for the PS3 yet, it will be the last one they will do for quite a while after all. The PS3 sales held up regardless.

WiiU should be interesting to observe. It already has Mario and MH so its not like those two will be saving it like they did the 3DS and I doubt Nintendo will do the price drop thing again (I foresee a TON of backlash for doing it twice in a row with two systems). Nintendo can fall back on their old franchises only for so long, Mario is already feeling very overused imo. They should really consider introducing new IPs soon.
Cosmo Clock 21
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(01-07-2013, 04:01 PM)
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If the current performance of MH3G HD and the past performance of MHP3 HD didn't already indicate, "Wii U has MonHan!" Is not a plus for the system.

Edit: although that was kinda your point heheh
AndrewDean84xX
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(01-07-2013, 04:02 PM)

Originally Posted by DGRE

The huge difference between Wii U and the Vita is software sales.

Yup.
Father_Brain
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(01-07-2013, 04:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cosmo Clock 21

If the current performance of MH3G HD and the past performance of MHP3 HD didn't already indicate, "Wii U has MonHan!" Is not a plus for the system.

Edit: although that was kinda your point heheh

"not a huge plus" != "not a plus"
Currygan
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(01-07-2013, 04:04 PM)
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3DS pretty much unstoppable at this point


next E3 needs to deliver fast and hard for the WiiU
Gianni Merryman
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(01-07-2013, 04:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cosmo Clock 21

If the current performance of MH3G HD and the past performance of MHP3 HD didn't already indicate, "Wii U has MonHan!" Is not a plus for the system.

Actually MH3U on Wii U has already done its job decently, since it's third best selling game on the system.
Zeer0id
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(01-07-2013, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by DGRE

The huge difference between Wii U and the Vita is software sales.

True. But as usual, using Vita as a benchmark for anything is a reeeaaally low bar.
Yamauchi
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(01-07-2013, 04:22 PM)
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Not that bad, honestly. Of course I'm probably older than most users here and remember the true failure of the N64's 5.5 million units in Japan.
AndrewDean84xX
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(01-07-2013, 04:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Zeer0id

True. But as usual, using Vita as a benchmark for anything is a reeeaaally low bar.

I know what you mean, but it's also the latest hardware, before the Wii U.
JoshuaJSlone
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(01-07-2013, 04:57 PM)
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Wii U in terms of: After 4 weeks, Wii U is where GCN was after 14.1 weeks (December 16, 2001), where Wii was after 3.3 weeks (December 19, 2006), where 3DS was after 2.6 weeks (March 10, 2011), where PS3 was after 13.1 weeks (February 5, 2007), and where PSV was after 16.8 weeks (April 7, 2012).
saichi
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(01-07-2013, 05:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heavy

Told you it would go under 100k, I was just a week off...forgot it was Christmas last week. 76k is lower than I expected, I was thinking just barely under 100k, like 90k.

This is hilarious. It's proven again and again that you have no idea how Japanese market performs.
Kerub
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(01-07-2013, 05:15 PM)
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Worrying Wii U numbers..

What would be the next big Wii U game to push sales?
dragonflys545
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(01-07-2013, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kerub

Worrying Wii U numbers..

What would be the next big Wii U game to push sales?

Nothing until Pikmin 3.
73V3N
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(01-07-2013, 05:16 PM)
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Really good start for Fantasy Life
BadWolf
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(01-07-2013, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kerub

Worrying Wii U numbers..

What would be the next big Wii U game to push sales?

Originally Posted by dragonflys545

Nothing until Pikmin 3.

Sounds like a Vita conversation.
Last edited by BadWolf; 01-07-2013 at 05:21 PM.
Kerub
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(01-07-2013, 05:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by dragonflys545

Nothing until Pikmin 3.

;_;

That's a pretty huge gap. Poor Wii U.
lunchwithyuzo
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(01-07-2013, 05:32 PM)

Originally Posted by BadWolf

Sounds like a Vita conversation.

Except Wii U launched with games that will still be selling at least.
AniHawk
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Rather sarcastic to boot.
(01-07-2013, 05:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by blu

There's good sarcasm and bad sarcasm. The above is horrendous sarcasm.

no sarcasm, just truth.
Busaiku
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(01-07-2013, 05:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by AniHawk

no sarcasm, just truth.

I can dig it.
vicissitudes
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(01-07-2013, 05:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by JoshuaJSlone

Wii U in terms of: After 4 weeks, Wii U is where GCN was after 14.1 weeks (December 16, 2001), where Wii was after 3.3 weeks (December 19, 2006), where 3DS was after 2.6 weeks (March 10, 2011), where PS3 was after 13.1 weeks (February 5, 2007), and where PSV was after 16.8 weeks (April 7, 2012).

Glad to see this back, keep it coming.
Alrus
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(01-07-2013, 05:55 PM)
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Drops for almost everything as expected.

Wii U has nothing of note announced, I don't see it maintaining decent in the coming weeks...

Nice start for Fantasy Life, nice to see Level 5 see some small successes after almost all their games bombed in 2012... IE Go 2 doing a bit better than the first one is nice too, I expected it to do even worse. Should end up around 500k now.

Originally Posted by blu

There's good sarcasm and bad sarcasm. The above is horrendous sarcasm.

It's true though.
mugurumakensei
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(01-07-2013, 05:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by AniHawk

no sarcasm, just truth.

It is at least as true as Other M > Prime 1 - 3
vareon
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(01-07-2013, 06:01 PM)
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Sooo what about Fantasy Life? I guess this is the title that needs legs more than everything. If it's good, hopefully it'll get a lot of good word of mouth.
slaughterking
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(01-07-2013, 06:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Takao

Man, I'm eating crow on Inazuma Eleven. I expected this franchise to be in the grave, and instead we're seeing signs of a rebound. If I was a fan of that franchise I would tell Level-5 to fuck off with three separate releases within a few weeks though.

Doesn't look like a rebound to me? The new Wii game tanked, the 3DS collection of 1-3 sold about as much as one could expect (which is not a whole lot) and Go 2...I mean it's doing fine, but only because we're expecting much less from this franchise these days.

Fantasy Life on the other hand looks pretty promising.
AzaK
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(01-07-2013, 06:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by D_prOdigy

you're bombing harder than a vita Wiiu lovechild

Hahahaha! Comedy Gold right there.
Gradivus
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(01-07-2013, 06:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kerub

;_;

That's a pretty huge gap. Poor Wii U.

There is game & Wario which will most likely come out before Pikmin, but that is more of a software boost than hardware one.
lunchwithyuzo
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(01-07-2013, 06:12 PM)

Originally Posted by slaughterking

Doesn't look like a rebound to me? The new Wii game tanked, the 3DS collection of 1-3 sold about as much as one could expect (which is not a whole lot) and Go 2...I mean it's doing fine, but only because we're expecting much less from this franchise these days.

Fantasy Life on the other hand looks pretty promising.

I think any improvement for Go 2 is encouraging given how PLVAA and LBXW declined.
Laguna
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(01-07-2013, 06:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Road

Famitsu Sales: Week 53, 2012 (Dec 24 - Dec 30)
02. / 00. [3DS] Fantasy Life (Level 5) {2012-12-27} - 134,008 / NEW

"To duckroll's defense, maybe it shipped like 60K copies."
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...&postcount=871

Originally Posted by Nirolak

To duckroll's defense, maybe it shipped like 60K copies.


Decent start for a new IP but I think they won´t be quite happy if it doesn´t show any legs. It will be interesting to see what it did the following week.
Hero
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(01-07-2013, 06:34 PM)
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3DS continues beast mode. Wii U needs some fucking software and some announcements of upcoming software. The absolute silence or lack of anything being released in the next few months is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Heavy

Told you it would go under 100k, I was just a week off...forgot it was Christmas last week. 76k is lower than I expected, I was thinking just barely under 100k, like 90k.

Dude, the only person in this thread that believes the shit you ever say in the Japanese numbers thread is you. You have constantly and consistently made stupid, baseless predictions without knowing anything of the Japanese market and just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. You finally get one random result in correctly and say "Told you so." Even a fucking broken clock is right at least two times a day. Doesn't mean you know anything.
electroplankton
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(01-07-2013, 07:05 PM)
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Nice job, Level-5.
To all people that criticized Hino and its management, well, these results speaks for itself. Even though the company is not completely ok, Fantasy Life is showing that it can still create a successful new IP, and Inazuma Eleven Go 2 is showing that its series doesn't necessarily decrease. Level-5 is going to stay on Nintendo platform more than ever.
slaughterking
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(01-07-2013, 07:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by lunchwithyuzo

I think any improvement for Go 2 is encouraging given how PLVAA and LBXW declined.

It's not a huge improvement so far. Go 2 is at 314,390 after three weeks whereas Go 1 sold 278,807 copies in the same time. Looks a bit more frontloaded now, but it's still a far cry from what these games used to do.
I'll agree that not showing any sign of further decline is an achievement for Level 5, though.
Spiegel
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(01-07-2013, 07:19 PM)
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I seem to remember that the argument last year was that the drop in sales wasn't bad and the numbers for IE GO were good because the 3DS didn't have a big userbase.

Doing comparable numbers to the 2nd release of IE3 again doesn't seem good. But I'm all for anual sequels and bloated companies declining.
farnham
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(01-07-2013, 07:21 PM)

Originally Posted by electroplankton

Nice job, Level-5.
To all people that criticized Hino and its management, well, these results speaks for itself. Even though the company is not completely ok, Fantasy Life is showing that it can still create a successful new IP, and Inazuma Eleven Go 2 is showing that its series doesn't necessarily decrease. Level-5 is going to stay on Nintendo platform more than ever.

Nintendo handhelds you mean. I dont think they will do much on wiiu.
cw_sasuke
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(01-07-2013, 07:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spiegel

I seem to remember that the argument last year was that the drop in sales wasn't bad and the numbers for IE GO were good because the 3DS didn't have a big userbase.

Doing comparable numbers to the 2nd release of IE3 again doesn't seem good. But I'm all for anual sequels and bloated companies declining.

IE hypetime is over, sales are good considering the popularity decline of the IP. They will sell around 500K, which is as much as Triple A title sell on consoles - i doubt they have higher expectations for the GO series. Time to adapt, next Pokemon game will also be a bomba compared to sales of the first generation on Gameboy.

Or did you really expect IE series to sell at least a million with annual releases till 2020 ? I doubt that...
michaelius
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(01-07-2013, 07:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Zeer0id

True. But as usual, using Vita as a benchmark for anything is a reeeaaally low bar.

So how many of those super selling Wii U titles outsold upscaled PSP port that released last week on Vita ?
Spiegel
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(01-07-2013, 07:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

IE hypetime is over, sales are good considering the popularity decline of the IP. They will sell around 500K, which is as much as Triple A title sell on consoles - i doubt they have higher expectations for the GO series. Time to adapt, next Pokemon game will also be a bomba compared to sales of the first generation on Gameboy.

Or did you really expect IE series to sell at least a million with annual releases till 2020 ? I doubt that...

No, just like market changes made Musou games to drop.

It was a jab at the 'userbase' argument that many people liked to use around this time last year.
Alrus
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(01-07-2013, 07:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spiegel

I seem to remember that the argument last year was that the drop in sales wasn't bad and the numbers for IE GO were good because the 3DS didn't have a big userbase.

Doing comparable numbers to the 2nd release of IE3 again doesn't seem good. But I'm all for anual sequels and bloated companies declining.

Well of course it's not great compared to IE2/3 but overall a game selling 500k copies is considered pretty good usually... Having a series that's selling those kind of number yearly is nothing to scoff at.

And I thought the argument for IE Go's massive drop compared to 3 was that (aside from general franchise fatigue) the public didn't really care about the new protagonist and story.
anon_mastermind
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(01-07-2013, 07:39 PM)
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I'm not surprised to see NSMBU and Nintendo Land with some of the smallest drops this week. Even though there isn't much new software coming for Wii U, I think these two titles can sell hardware through word of mouth.
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(01-07-2013, 07:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by dragonflys545

Nothing until Pikmin 3.

Yeah and I don't think Pikmin is a system mover anywhere but Japan right?
ksamedi
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(01-07-2013, 07:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

Yeah and I don't think Pikmin is a system mover anywhere but Japan right?

Wario and Wii fit U will mosr likely do good numbers. I really have no idea what to think of Pikmin. Maybe Nintendo's new found popularity in Japan will boost sales beyond the Gamecube games. Wonderfull 101 will probably bomb.
lunchwithyuzo
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(01-07-2013, 07:53 PM)

Originally Posted by farnham

Nintendo handhelds you mean. I dont think they will do much on wiiu.

I think they'll at least continue the Strikers series on Wii U. Maybe they'll also do that IE MMORPG that Hino talked about before, or a Layton spinoff or something.
Tiktaalik
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(01-07-2013, 08:02 PM)
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Some good news for Level 5. Hopefully Fantasy Life stays up on the list for a while.
Mpl90
Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
(01-07-2013, 08:05 PM)
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About Fantasy Life

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/07...-out-in-japan/
grimshawish
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(01-07-2013, 08:06 PM)

Originally Posted by Mpl90

About Fantasy Life

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/07...-out-in-japan/

Nintendo bought them all to sell on later after finding out about Level 5 buying Animal Crossing in large quantities to suffocate supply ahead of Fantasy Life.
XiaNaphryz
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(01-07-2013, 08:07 PM)
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Has anyone posted the holiday season totals yet?
Nekki
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(01-07-2013, 08:12 PM)
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Well, 3DS just won't stop, that's for sure. I'm surprised though we don't see more game announcements, the way it's selling (both hw and sw) nowadays. Weird.

Wii U is doing alright, not good nor great. The big problem is the future, and software releases. We'll see what happens from now on.

Fantasy Life and IE are doing quite well, looks like L-5 can rest for a bit. But they still make lots of bad business decisions, i think they should take some time out lol.
Aostia
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(01-07-2013, 08:18 PM)
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good news for fantasy life.
about wiiu, once again:

Wii U in terms of: After 4 weeks, Wii U is where GCN was after 14.1 weeks (December 16, 2001), where Wii was after 3.3 weeks (December 19, 2006), where 3DS was after 2.6 weeks (March 10, 2011), where PS3 was after 13.1 weeks (February 5, 2007), and where PSV was after 16.8 weeks (April 7, 2012).

so, I agree that it's not a system able to sell crazy like the DS and the Wii back in the days, neither as good as the 3DS after the price cut (and in the short term, neither pre-cut as we can see), but calling the "desperate mode" and the "price cut" and so on now after these numbers for the Japanese market is too much, imho.

On Gaf everything seems to be just black or white (not talking about pokemon here :p )

those are average + numbers for the system, that obviously will need constant software to keep average + numbers. so, the next months will be tough because of the (actual) lack of games announced. but the actual numbers are not negative and it's clear that the system can sell with the right games (such as Mario of course, but also Land - so maybe also Wario and Fit will do something, or an HD port of MH. Maybe also the HD port of DQ could do something).
Mpl90
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(01-07-2013, 08:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nekki

Well, 3DS just won't stop, that's for sure. I'm surprised though we don't see more game announcements, the way it's selling (both hw and sw) nowadays. Weird.

Wii U is doing alright, not good nor great. The big problem is the future, and software releases. We'll see what happens from now on.

Fantasy Life and IE are doing quite well, looks like L-5 can rest for a bit. But they still make lots of bad business decisions, i think they should take some time out lol.

We'll probably start seeing many new 3DS announcements in the next future. I mean, it's inevitable at this point: the console is selling godly amounts in Japan, and third party titles are selling great too.
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(01-07-2013, 09:10 PM)
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I like NSMB2 but it's sad seeing it outsell 3D Land in the close future. And that's amazing for Fantasy Life, especially when Animal Crossing is right there owning Japan at the moment.

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