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XtremeXpider
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(01-11-2013, 09:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by 1stStrike

The OP needs to be clarified on the memory front, as everyone is mixing up the memory. I made the same mistake when I skimmed it quick.

GDDR is not the same as DDR.

From the way it's sounding, the PS4 is going to have dedicated memory for the games and will (probably) have a separate pool for everything else (1 - 2 gb?).

While the xbox is going to just have one giant pool of (albeit slower) memory for everything.

Again, DDR3 is "slow" but eSDRAM is rumored too for Durango. And... what if it end with DDR4 in 2.5 stackig? We don't know yet...
kuroshiki
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(01-11-2013, 09:13 PM)
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Make it $399 and I'm there day one. No. Day Zero, regardless of launch lineup.

Make it $450 and awesome launch soft I will still be there.

$499, eh. Will just wait couple more month.
Shadow Hog
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Originally Posted by UnblessedSoul

They should name it Playstation Orbis for retail, sounds great Imo

PlayStation 4-bis
DieH@rd
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Originally Posted by Cornbread78

I'm lost in those specs...

Those specs are meaningless if we dont know how much they have modified those PC parts, what new special things did they introduce [durango has few secret sauces], and what is the general look of their architecture [we dont know if they will use stacking or not].

Performance can vary dramatically with slight changes of those things. One thing is certain, currently ON PAPER, both consoles will be ~10x than their predecessors [again we will have consoles of similar performance levels].
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Yawnier
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(01-11-2013, 09:13 PM)
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So if Sony and Microsoft both launch their new consoles this year, I just realized that this would be the first time that they both but heads against each other directly at a console launch in the same year.

(PS2 released in 2000, Xbox in 2001. PS3 released in 2006, and Xbox 360 in 2005.)
sflufan
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(01-11-2013, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by terrdactycalsrock

Im not familiar with AMD, how powerful would a 8800 or 8900 gpu be?

Metalmurphy
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(01-11-2013, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Eideka

I believe this, what's makes you so sceptical ?

It's not enough.
Orayn
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(01-11-2013, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by UnblessedSoul

They should name it Playstation Orbis for retail, sounds great Imo

Quite probable, since they didn't number the Vita.

Originally Posted by MWS Natural

I want a balls to the wall gaming system with bleeding edge custom tech in box that outputs photo-realistic graphics, plays every form of media I throw at it, and sits neatly in my entertainment system.

MY $600 IS READY

What if I told you that we both want something unlikely and the actual product will be somewhere in between?
ViewtifulJC
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(01-11-2013, 09:14 PM)
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I'd like to see The Last Guardian roadmap

2007 - potential release year

2010 - maaaaaaybe

2013 - fuck it, PS4 launch title
Baki
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(01-11-2013, 09:14 PM)

Originally Posted by -Pyromaniac-

I thought the vita was pretty well priced for what it was, as well the developers commented on the friendly dev tools. Vita failed because of a lack of support from Sony and because there just isn't much of a market for it any more.

The PS4 won't have a lack of support, we know that already.

Vita failed because Sony was late.
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(01-11-2013, 09:15 PM)
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- 2-4GB GDDR5

uh oh.
Horse Armour
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(01-11-2013, 09:15 PM)

Originally Posted by sflufan

Wasn't this proven to be fake/extremely optimistic guessing?
kuroshiki
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Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

It's not enough.

4g GDDR5 console will absolutely murder everything out there. What do you mean it's not enough?
1stStrike
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Originally Posted by XtremeXpider

Again, DDR3 is "slow" but eSDRAM is rumored too for Durango. And... what if it end with DDR4 in 2.5 stackig? We don't know yet...

Right, it's all speculation right now going off the statistics we have available to us. Once we have more information we can assess the performance more accurately.
x3sphere
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The 8800/8900 is just rebadged 7800/7900 parts, AMD's real next-gen cards will be the 9000 series.

There's a thread on this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...266&highlight=
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(01-11-2013, 09:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by kuroshiki

4g GDDR5 console will absolutely murder everything out there. What do you mean it's not enough?

They're probably going to reserve something obscene like 1GB RAM for the OS.
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(01-11-2013, 09:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by goomba

Surely the next ps or xbox won't only have 2x the total ram of Wii u ?

Its much faster memory than the Wiiu.
ChaosXVI
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(01-11-2013, 09:17 PM)
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I didn't think there was a chance in hell of PS4 launching this year...but damn, if both launch in Q4, the time from E3 to the end of the year is going to be one hell of a fucking ride.
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Originally Posted by kuroshiki

4g GDDR5 console will absolutely murder everything out there. What do you mean it's not enough?

If OS takes 1GB, it really wont be enough. :-/
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I expect big guns this summer from all three major players. It's going to be glorious!

Finally next gen is here and we get to see some new IP and see what every console has to offer. I'm really interested in what Sony is going to do as I think they have the most to gain and Microsoft has everything to lose.
goomba
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(01-11-2013, 09:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by kuroshiki

4g GDDR5 console will absolutely murder everything out there. What do you mean it's not enough?

True but 8GB of GDDR5 would be "next gen".
slit
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(01-11-2013, 09:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by kuroshiki

Make it $399 and I'm there day one. No. Day Zero, regardless of launch lineup.

Make it $450 and awesome launch soft I will still be there.

$499, eh. Will just wait couple more month.

If they launch at $499 they have lost their minds.
kuroshiki
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(01-11-2013, 09:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by DieH@rd

If OS takes 1GB, it really will be not enough. :-/

Originally Posted by CrunchinJelly

They're probably going to reserve something obscene like 1GB RAM for the OS.

and OS doesn't have to take GDDR5. Sony can just put cheap ass DDR3 512m ram there just for OS. Bam. problem solved.
Orayn
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(01-11-2013, 09:19 PM)
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I doubt they'd reserve an entire gig of GDDR5 for the OS. Even with that much set aside, Agni's Philosophy, an exorbitant 60FPS tech demo fits comfortably in what's left. It's fine.
Vesper73
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(01-11-2013, 09:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by ViewtifulJC

I'd like to see The Last Guardian roadmap

2007 - potential release year

2010 - maaaaaaybe

2013 - fuck it, PS4 launch title

Isn't that basically what happened with Ico?
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(01-11-2013, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by sflufan

This is fake people.

Originally Posted by goomba

True but 8GB of GDDR5 would be "next gen".

16GB would be next'er gen!
Devilgunman
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I'm smelling either The Last Guardian or FFvsXIII will be a launch title for PS4. It will make a bigger impact than releasing for PS3 in its late cycle.
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Originally Posted by goomba

True but 8GB of GDDR5 would be "next gen".

Hello $800 launch price.
gundamkyoukai
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Originally Posted by goomba

True but 8GB of GDDR5 would be "next gen".

Getting 4GB of GDDR5 is hard enough no way they can get 8GB t with current chip size.
kuroshiki
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(01-11-2013, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by goomba

True but 8GB of GDDR5 would be "next gen".

Hell why stop there. 16g is where it's at.
Metalmurphy
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(01-11-2013, 09:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by kuroshiki

4g GDDR5 console will absolutely murder everything out there. What do you mean it's not enough?

In speed. 4GB is not enough for a next gen game console with a next gen OS that should bring awesome new features, one of them being multitasking.
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Originally Posted by CrunchinJelly

They're probably going to reserve something obscene like 1GB RAM for the OS.

I doubt it'll be that bad unless Sony tries to make the entire OS like the current PS Store. The Vita OS is really well done, fast, and doesn't get in the way of anything else even with 4+ tabs open. I have no reason to believe they can't build a similar OS for PS4.
XtremeXpider
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Originally Posted by goomba

True but 8GB of GDDR5 would be "next gen".

8GB? GDDR5? LOL, no way even on today top graphics cards
Yawnier
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(01-11-2013, 09:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Vesper73

Isn't that basically what happened with Ico?

I guess you could say that. Ico was originally in development for the PS1 but was eventually moved to the PS2.

You can find prototype videos of it on Youtube.
kuroshiki
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(01-11-2013, 09:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

In speed. 4GB is not enough for a next gen console game with a next gen OS that should bring awesome new features, one of them being multitasking.

again, sony just could put cheap ass ram just for OS purpose. DDR3 rams are cheap as dirts these days.
Shion
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Originally Posted by CrunchinJelly

They're probably going to reserve something obscene like 1GB RAM for the OS.

Using GDDR5 memory for the OS makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by Arklite

Hope they're taking a hard look at their competition. They can't afford to under power it and have the competition's momentum take them even further with hard specs and support. Splurge on the RAM to make it an adequate multitasking entertainment machine.

The PS1 and 2 were technologically weaker, yet still were the victors of their generations. If the Orbis is reasonably close enough to the 720 in spec, it really doesn't matter. It comes down to developers who understand how to utilize those innard bells and whistles of hardware. Nintendo's 3DS is inferior to the Vita in many ways, but a developer as skilled as Capcom (takes the time to understand what makes 3DS tick), makes the handheld sing in ways you wouldn't believe.

I believe the power of Obis/720, will be indistinguishable when looking at the games side by side. You'll have certain games, which can pull off things on one system, that the other doesn't do as well (think fur rendering GCN vs. XBox 1).

I project that this upcoming generation will be decided by value placed on the systems by their publishers (incentives like PS+, Live infrastructure) and first party exclusives. In any case, my eye is on Sony, as they have a bigger opportunity to surprise me as a gamer, than MS. I feel MS is just going to have a brute strength machine, an extension of current 360 - with no real individuality/identity. Hence my disinterest, even as a sole 360 owner.
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

Wasn't this proven to be fake/extremely optimistic guessing?

Pretty sure it was, and I don't think that the new consoles will have a 2TF+ GPU in it
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All I know is, I'm ready.
prwxv3
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My body is not ready for the meltdowns this launch and the next Xbox launch is going to cause much less the actual launches themselves.
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Originally Posted by kuroshiki

and OS doesn't have to take GDDR5. Sony can just put cheap ass DDR3 512m ram there just for OS. Bam. problem solved.

That would be one interesting looking bit of silicon lol. Its not that 'easy ' to mess with architectures that way. Could happen though.. all bets are off. I still see something unified as more likely. 3GB of GDDR5 dedicated for games is actually quite good anyway but perhaps not if they want to eventually take the 4k route.
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Originally Posted by XtremeXpider

8GB? GDDR5? LOL, no way even on today top graphics cards

That's the point, "next gen"
teiresias
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Originally Posted by Lagspike_exe

This sounds like an early roadmap. They would have a hardware lock already if they were launcing in 111 months or so.

Damn, do we have a source that can confirm PS4 has been delayed ten years?
Orayn
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(01-11-2013, 09:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by goomba

That's the point, "next gen"

Hate to break it to you, but the PS3 and 360 were using the equivalent of "current gen" PC video cards when they came out. You don't sell a consumer level product with high end parts that aren't actually available yet.
XtremeXpider
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Originally Posted by goomba

That's the point, "next gen"

I guess not even in future graphics cards (2013-2014)
Kazuma Kiryu
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

2012 Jul devkits for engineers writing OS

Seriously Sony? You're giving the OS guys like 3 months to do the OS? Did Sony learn nothing from the PS3?

today is january 2013. console will be out by end of 2013. what are you smoking?
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Originally Posted by kuroshiki

again, sony just could put cheap ass ram just for OS purpose. DDR3 rams are cheap as dirts these days.

Umm, you have no idea how R&D actually works do you?
SniperHunter
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(01-11-2013, 09:27 PM)
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I am ready, PS3's time is up. Bring on next gen ASAP.
Kerub
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Q4 2013 in Japan, and Q1 2014 in EU/NA would make sense.
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So the nextbox will be much more powerful than Orbis?

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