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(01-11-2013, 08:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by XtremeXpider

We are near...


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I'm interested
Cornbread78
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(01-11-2013, 08:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Devilgunman

I'm smelling either The Last Guardian or FFvsXIII will be a launch title for PS4. It will make a bigger impact than releasing for PS3 in its late cycle.

Yup, we've been speculating this for quite some time and the timeline for those games and the roadmap seem to cross streams very nicely.....
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(01-11-2013, 08:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by goomba

That's the point, "next gen"

They still have to abide by size and money constraints...
Orayn
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(01-11-2013, 08:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kerub

Q4 2013 in Japan, and Q1 2014 in EU/NA would make sense.

No way. Handhelds are a very different market in Japan, and there's no way they'd let themselves miss the holiday season here.

Originally Posted by Phoenician_Viking

So the nextbox will be much more powerful than Orbis?

They're looking very close in terms of both power and design.
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(01-11-2013, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orayn


They're looking very close in terms of both power and design.

their designs seem totally different to me...one will have the advantage over the other in certain areas. coding to the metal for these systems will yield great results for the first parties.
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(01-11-2013, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phoenician_Viking

So the nextbox will be much more powerful than Orbis?

More like next-gen HD twins.
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(01-11-2013, 08:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phoenician_Viking

So the nextbox will be much more powerful than Orbis?

If it was, it would be interesting. Three tiers of power. Nextbox > Orbis > Wii U. It would make for some interesting comparisons.
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(01-11-2013, 08:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by SniperHunter

their designs seem totally different to me...one will have the advantage over the other in certain areas.

What I meant was that both of them using AMD CPUs and GPUs from the same series makes the architectural differences much, much smaller than the HD Twins. Hard to say how the memory will pan out.
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(01-11-2013, 08:31 PM)
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So the next playstation and Xbox will not offer any jump in visuals over current PC gaming as the 360 did ?
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(01-11-2013, 08:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by shinobi602

SHIT.

Q4 2013, MS VS SONY.

HERE WE GO SON.

amazing gif
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(01-11-2013, 08:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orayn

No way. Handhelds are a very different market in Japan, and there's no way they'd let themselves miss the holiday season here.



They're looking very close in terms of both power and design.

Thanks. It seemed the Orbis is weaker because of the discrepancy in RAM count. The good thing is both consoles will be easy to develop for.
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(01-11-2013, 08:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orayn

No way. Handhelds are a very different market in Japan, and there's no way they'd let themselves miss the holiday season here.

Didn't PS3 have a similar launch? Or maybe that was just in europe. It came out in march over here in EU at least.
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(01-11-2013, 08:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kerub

Didn't PS3 have a similar launch? Or maybe that was just in europe. It came out in march over here in EU at least.

My memory is hazy, but wasn't the PS3 delay in Europe more of a logistics/distribution thing? Like, they were aiming for Q4 but that turned out not to be feasible.
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(01-11-2013, 08:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orayn

My memory is hazy, but wasn't the PS3 delay in Europe more of a logistics/distribution thing? Like, they were aiming for Q4 but that turned out not to be feasible.

Yeah. PS3 launch March 2007 in Europe.
imjust1n
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(01-11-2013, 08:34 PM)
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I'm telling you PS4 won't be out till Feb 2014 for USA. Xbox 720 November 17th.2013
AstroNut325
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(01-11-2013, 08:35 PM)
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My mind, body, soul and wallet are ready! BRING IT SONY!

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That Tyson GIF! I forgot how awesome he was back in his prime.
CrunchinJelly
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(01-11-2013, 08:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orayn

My memory is hazy, but wasn't the PS3 delay in Europe more of a logistics/distribution thing? Like, they were aiming for Q4 but that turned out not to be feasible.

They blamed it on slow Blu-ray drive production IIRC.
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(01-11-2013, 08:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

In speed. 4GB is not enough for a next gen game console with a next gen OS that should bring awesome new features, one of them being multitasking.

You need to go and read up on what GDDR is actually used for.

4 GB of GDDR5 is MORE than enough. My bets are that it'll actually end up with 2 GB, though, cause 4 GB of GDDR5 would be pretty insane.

I'm looking at upgrading my graphics card to a GTX 670 pretty soon, and that's going to cost me about $300~ or so and that only has 2 GB of GDDR5.

There's going to be separate memory in the system for the OS / system processes.
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(01-11-2013, 08:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by goomba

So the next playstation and Xbox will not offer any jump in visuals over current PC gaming as the 360 did ?

PC visuals will jump because the minimum spec (still needing to program for eventual 360 ports), will be raised by the entrance of a higher minimum 720. Think about this: current PC games still need to spec for a version running on a 512 ram machine (graphics, physics and AI that can scale to that denominator), when 720 arrives - that lower bar is raised.

PC gamers should be enthused by arrival of Orbis and 720. This will equate to PC games being less gimped by needing to run on current way under spec'd systems (console).
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Orayn
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(01-11-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrunchinJelly

They blamed it on slow Blu-ray production IIRC.

Ah, right. Sounds like we don't have anything with unstable supply this time around, so I can't see the same type of delay happening again.

Sony would be insane not to at least target Q4 in North America and Europe.

Originally Posted by goomba

So the next playstation and Xbox will not offer any jump in visuals over current PC gaming as the 360 did ?

360 offered visuals comparable to recent PC games at a lower resolution and framerate.
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(01-11-2013, 08:37 PM)
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With these leaked specs, is it safe to say that the PS4/Orbis is possibly going to be somewhere between $400 - $500 at launch, at least in NA?
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(01-11-2013, 08:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by imjust1n

I'm telling you PS4 won't be out till Feb 2014 for USA.

That matches what I've been hearing from devs, that Sony had pushed the launch back to 2014 because it wouldn't be ready for 2013. But I wonder if they are rushing it so MS doesn't have a holiday season to gain momentum before the PS4 launch.
SniperHunter
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(01-11-2013, 08:37 PM)
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damn...4 GB GDDR5, how is this even possible? Hopefully the system design is great this time
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(01-11-2013, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phoenician_Viking

So the nextbox will be much more powerful than Orbis?

I believe the run of current rumours suggest Orbis has a more powerful GPU, less but faster RAM. CPU wise I'm not sure what the latest is. There's talk of Durango have 8 1.6Ghz cores vs 4 3.2Ghz cores in PS4 or a higher number of Jaguars also at a lower clock. I'm not sure we know anything about PS4's OS, but rumours were that Durango will have a 'big' OS wrt resource use.

So, if those things are true, I think you could make arguments on either being more or less powerful than the other. Because I think you're looking at two systems each with relative strengths and weaknesses. But that in the end will offer a similar class of performance and capability. Kind of similar to PS3 and 360 - different philosophies converging on similar performance class.

This is very speculative though. We really need more information, particularly specifics on Durango's GPU, and on OS resource reservations for both.
Shikoro
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(01-11-2013, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Yawnier

With these leaked specs, is it safe to say that the PS4/Orbis is possibly going to be somewhere between $400 - $500 at launch, at least in NA?

$399 ;)

Originally Posted by SniperHunter

damn...4 GB GDDR5, how is this even possible? Hopefully the system design is great this time

8 4Gb chips?
alphaNoid
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(01-11-2013, 08:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Yawnier

With these leaked specs, is it safe to say that the PS4/Orbis is possibly going to be somewhere between $400 - $500 at launch, at least in NA?

Perhaps yes, however I do believe either Sony or MS is going to offer a $399 model. Don't be shocked if you see MS offer a $99+Live subscription model either. They already did that this gen, and their sales spiked after IIRC.
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(01-11-2013, 08:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Yawnier

With these leaked specs, is it safe to say that the PS4/Orbis is possibly going to be somewhere between $400 - $500 at launch, at least in NA?

God willing, yeah. I'd be seriously afraid if they went with $500/600 again.

Originally Posted by eighty(one)

PC visuals will jump because the minimum spec (still needing to program for eventual 360 ports), will be raised by the entrance of a higher minimum 720. Think about this: current PC games still need to spec for a version running on a 512 ram machine (graphics, physics and AI that can scale to that denominator).

Though we are starting to see some actual downports like BF3 and The Witcher 2, and obvious cross-gen games like Watch_Dogs and Star Wars 1313. The live demos of the latter, which were running on PC, should be a pretty decent indication of where Durango/Orbis visuals are headed.
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(01-11-2013, 08:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shikoro

8 4Gb chips?

Large MoBo?
aaTey
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(01-11-2013, 08:42 PM)
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Sony has been performing very poorly marketing-wise these recent years regarding hardware and first-party titles. The mass public, even today, is still unaware what a PS VITA actually is. I'm not sure why SONY isn't firing these marketing leaders, but as long as they don't these will be responsible for all future financial impacts, negative ones that is as it is with the catastrophic PS3. Both launches of PS3 and VITA were massive failures, and it certainly looks like history will repeat itself. Entertainment is part of everyone's lives, and consumers may get anything they want from competition or other products. The PLAYstation has been created to fullfill gaming satisfaction needs, and one of the reasons Sony has completely lost track of the gaming market despite having more and more people joining this gaming culture is because they have shifted priorities. Or maybe, these marketers working at SONY didn't even know what the PLAYstation was all about. For my internet browsing needs, i use my ipad. For my movies needs, i use my laptop. For my music needs, i use my ipod. Each of us characterize a product with a specific function, that we stick with. The PLAYstation was characterized as a product to satistfy one's gaming needs. That was not taken deeply into consideration, causing loss of millions of potential consumers .

I love talking marketing, i wish i could start a thread and i tried but it appears i don't have enough priviledges. Maybe one of you could have one erupted where we could discuss gaming-related global marketing strategies.
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(01-11-2013, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orayn

I want a conservatively spec'd, developer-friendly machine with a base price of $300 and an emphasis on DD and things other than AAA $60 retail+$50 season pass mainstream action schlock.

Your posts usually aren't this shitty.
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(01-11-2013, 08:42 PM)
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Just the thought of MS and Sony launching at or near the same time is blowing my mind! This is going to be EPIC! On all levels... including meltdowns and tantrums!
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(01-11-2013, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by SniperHunter

damn...4 GB GDDR5, how is this even possible? Hopefully the system design is great this time

Eight 512MB chips. Those will become available for the first time now in 2013.
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Originally Posted by Orayn

Ah, right. Sounds like we don't have anything with unstable supply this time around, so I can't see the same type of delay happening again.

Sony would be insane not to at least target Q4 in North America and Europe.



360 offered visuals comparable to recent PC games at a lower resolution and framerate.

Thats subjective, personally I thought gears of war showed a "next gen"leap over any recent PC games.
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(01-11-2013, 08:42 PM)
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Q4 2013 launch?

Engage high pitched voice mode: FUCK YEAH!!!

And I'd take 4 GB GDDR5 over 8 GB DDR3 any time of day, thank you.
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(01-11-2013, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by alphaNoid

Perhaps yes, however I do believe either Sony or MS is going to offer a $399 model. Don't be shocked if you see MS offer a $99+Live subscription model either. They already did that this gen, and their sales spiked after IIRC.

I'd argue they'll have a $299 or unlikely $199 Live model. No way a $99 model, not until way after (years) launch.
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(01-11-2013, 08:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shikoro


8 4Gb chips?

haha this reminds me of how gaffers were saying these systems won't have more than 2gb ram due to mobo/heat/chip constraints.....

Originally Posted by DieH@rd

Eight 512MB chips. Those will become available for the first time now in 2013.

damn!
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(01-11-2013, 08:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by eighty(one)

I'd argue they'll have a $299 or unlikely $199 Live model. No way a $99 model, not until way after (years) launch.

Maybe live goes up to $100 a year.
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(01-11-2013, 08:44 PM)
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So nextbox is stronger than orbis? lol good luck Sony.
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Originally Posted by eighty(one)

I'd argue they'll have a $299 or unlikely $199 Live model. No way a $99 model, not until way after (years) launch.

Perhaps yes, you are probably right. So a $199+Sub sounds more realistic. I honestly feel it will be like $399 or $199+sub.

Originally Posted by 9thwonder

So nextbox is stronger than orbis? lol good luck Sony.

Debatable. If the Orbis has less, but more powerful cores it means it can do more with each core. However its a recent trend to actually lower core speed and add cores, separate tasks onto individual cores to increase performance. A 4Core Orbis would be good, but it is fair to assume that an 8Core, slower clocked 720 would be more flexible. I will say this, lower clock + more cores is a more modern and up to date design for 2013 and beyond. Its happening in processor design all over, desktop, and mobile.

Time will tell, but I suspect they will be HD twins next go around. Multiplat games will look/run similar on each system and web sites will do comparison videos. First party games will shine on each platform, taking advanced of the metal.
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Originally Posted by XtremeXpider

Large MoBo?

No? Take a look at a video card with 2GB of GDDR5.



Note the small 'b.' 8 Gb = 1GB.
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(01-11-2013, 08:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

In speed. 4GB is not enough for a next gen game console with a next gen OS that should bring awesome new features, one of them being multitasking.

Look at what ms and sony brought to the table with 32MB and 50MB respectively. Are you saying that is now going to rise 20 folds in PS4's case (I am not counting XB3 here because rumours are that large chunk for ram will be reserved for the Kinect 2 as well OS)?

What are you people expecting out of a console designed to play games first and foremost? I am not happy with 4GB GDDR5 if the multimedia related OS tasks take up a quarter of it (which is why I wondered whether there'll be a slower cache of LPDDR3 akin to PS Vita). But you guys should get your priorities straightened out when it comes to a "game" console. It's not a PC. Personally, I don't know what would require the hearsay exorbitant 1GB for the OS.
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(01-11-2013, 08:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by aaTey

Sony has been performing very poorly marketing-wise these recent years regarding hardware and first-party titles. The mass public, even today, is still unaware what a PS VITA actually is. I'm not sure why SONY isn't firing these marketing leaders, but as long as they don't these will be responsible for all future financial impacts, negative ones that is as it is with the catastrophic PS3. Both launches of PS3 and VITA were massive failures, and it certainly looks like history will repeat itself. Entertainment is part of everyone's lives, and consumers may get anything they want from competition or other products. The PLAYstation has been created to fullfill gaming satisfaction needs, and one of the reasons Sony has completely lost track of the gaming market despite having more and more people joining this gaming culture is because they have shifted priorities. Or maybe, these marketers working at SONY didn't even know what the PLAYstation was all about. For my internet browsing needs, i use my ipad. For my movies needs, i use my laptop. For my music needs, i use my ipod. Each of us characterize a product with a specific function, that we stick with. The PLAYstation was characterized as a product to satistfy one's gaming needs. That was not taken deeply into consideration, causing loss of millions of potential consumers .

I love talking marketing, i wish i could start a thread and i tried but it appears i don't have enough priviledges. Maybe one of you could have one erupted where we could discuss gaming-related global marketing strategies.

It's more of a problem with them not having the assests to just go gung-ho with advertisement. Sonys value has dropped incredibly over the past years as a whole. While SCE is arguably their most successful branch but they can't just be loose with their spending. I think thy are doing great with the PS3 and if they get a strong launch off next-gen they could probably get the Vita to ride along side the PS4 in success.
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I really did not wanted to go with 2 consoles again next-gen like I did with the PS360 but if MS gives more reasons to subscribe Gold (by that I mean something similar to PS Plus), if I can still have my 360 Account with all my GoD, XBLA and 360 games nextbox compatible and if they release it months or even a year earlier than Sony I might bite on Day One due to hype and upcoming Xbox exclusives.

Then I would have to get PS4 sure, but for someone who love his PS3 (Sony is amazing in Europe in my opinion) and only uses the 360 for its exclusives this hype sure is looking interesting for myself.

Originally Posted by aaTey

I love talking marketing, i wish i could start a thread and i tried but it appears i don't have enough priviledges. Maybe one of you could have one erupted where we could discuss gaming-related global marketing strategies.

Me too. I would like to read/participate in a similar thread with this subject!
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Sony will be Q1 2014, no question.
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(01-11-2013, 08:46 PM)
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No idea what these specs mean, show me in terms of pc game screen shots and FPS :P
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Originally Posted by Orayn

No? Take a look at a video card with 2GB of GDDR5.



Note the small 'b.' 8 Gb = 1GB.

I know the "B" "b" difference, but 8 chips needs room.
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(01-11-2013, 08:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orayn

No? Take a look at a video card with 2GB of GDDR5.



Note the small 'b.' 8 Gb = 1GB.

yea good point, my video card has about 3 gb gddr5 and it's pretty comparable to the pic you posted
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(01-11-2013, 08:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by gofreak

I believe the run of current rumours suggest Orbis has a more powerful GPU, less but faster RAM. CPU wise I'm not sure what the latest is. There's talk of Durango have 8 1.6Ghz cores vs 4 3.2Ghz cores in PS4 or a higher number of Jaguars also at a lower clock. I'm not sure we know anything about PS4's OS, but rumours were that Durango will have a 'big' OS wrt resource use.

So, if those things are true, I think you could make arguments on either being more or less powerful than the other. Because I think you're looking at two systems each with relative strengths and weaknesses. But that in the end will offer a similar class of performance and capability. Kind of similar to PS3 and 360 - different philosophies converging on similar performance class.

This is very speculative though. We really need more information, particularly specifics on Durango's GPU, and on OS resource reservations for both.

Now that is what I've been looking for. Good breakdown. It's teh little things that will matter with performance then.

Now if Sony can not screw everything up at launch with pricing, availability, launch software, marketing, etc....

I'll probably get both anyhow like I did with the Wii and PS3.



Originally Posted by 9thwonder

So nextbox is stronger than orbis? lol good luck Sony.


Reading is fundamental.....



Sorry dude, I had no idea other, but I had to find that gif
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(01-11-2013, 08:46 PM)
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I don't see a scenario where Sony launches in Japan first. Worldwide studios is heavily western based, and more content will be ready. If anything, the lack of Japan development will hurt the launch in Japan.
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Originally Posted by goomba

Thats subjective, personally I thought gears of war showed a "next gen"leap over any recent PC games.

Gears of War got a PC version that was considered not very demanding to run at higher resolutions and twice the frame rate when it came out.

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