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alekth
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(01-20-2013, 02:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by IHaveCandy

His stunt shouldn't cause a panic. Should people become cautious of him? Sure. Should the store ask him to leave? If they want to. But there's no reason to start panicking.

What exactly does being cautious mean here? Should people get some bulletproof vests? Should they hide behind columns and corners?
If this guy wants to start shooting, people around him aren't going to have time to do something to avoid the bullets. Unless by being cautious you mean they need to carry their own firearms, watch the guy closely and shoot him if there is an indication that he's preparing to shoot.

If something goes wrong here, it's not like the store is going to magically protect those people, so whether it's an act allowed by the store or not, it really doesn't make a difference to people who fear for their lives.
Valnen
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(01-20-2013, 02:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by epmode

Yeah, I love when the car argument comes out. The best part is that you need a license to drive a car.

I wouldn't be against making people need a license to use their firearms. Make people go through a training/education session that most normal people can complete along with a background check and you wouldn't be infringing on anyone's rights. It's a better solution than any sort of retarded and arbitrary ban.
IdreamofHIME
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(01-20-2013, 02:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mudkips

People who panic at the mere sight of a gun are more of a problem than people who carry them in public.


GAF never ceases to shock me.
peterb0y
(01-20-2013, 02:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by ohhthegore

I think he looks like an upstanding american citizen :-) , I certainly would not be afraid

You sayin chief keef aint no hitta?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaEdQV7_6dE
Chumly
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(01-20-2013, 02:58 AM)

Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:


Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.

So true. Once black people start walking around rural/suburban areas with AR-15's I suspect a lot of views would be changed.
Zefah
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(01-20-2013, 02:59 AM)

Originally Posted by IHaveCandy

I don't see how that has to do with anything. The argument put forward was "This guy could easily kill me and others with extremely little force". That is true. The same is true in many other cases. You put your life in other people's hands all the time. And pedestrians DO get run over. It's not some absurd situation I'm bringing up. Personally, I feel quite uncomfortable walking in the same direction as traffic. I don't like how it feels. Not knowing if cars speeding behind me aren't fucking up with me being the victim. I also wouldn't like being around a person with a gun. I don't make the assumption that the person is a killer or that I am in any immediate danger. It is just off-putting. It would make me uncomfortable and I might leave. If I was the store owner, I'd ask the person to leave since it obviously is upsetting my customers. But there's no reason to panic.

I think you might be a little bit crazy.

Why would people driving around just randomly swerve over to the sidewalk with the intent of running into someone and taking his or her life? Either way, if you were paying attention, it would be much easier to avoid such an attack than any kind of assault rifle fire from someone intent on murdering you.

I just don't understand what you're arguing. One is a vehicle that you use to get around. One is a device that's sole purpose is injuring or taking lives. Why would you ever try to equate the two?
peterb0y
(01-20-2013, 03:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Chumly

So true. Once black people start walking around rural/suburban areas with AR-15's I suspect a lot of views would be changed.

Its the same argument that ppl make about protection from the government, aka "We need gunz in case the government oversteps its bounds!" Fuck the black panthers tho.
Zefah
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(01-20-2013, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Valnen

I wouldn't be against making people need a license to use their firearms. Make people go through a training/education session that most normal people can complete along with a background check and you wouldn't be infringing on anyone's rights. It's a better solution than any sort of retarded and arbitrary ban.

Wait, weren't you just arguing that no one should be complaining about something that is legal? And now you're here offering suggestions on how you'd improve the law?

What kind of nonsense is this?
grimshawish
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(01-20-2013, 03:01 AM)
I tend to see this stuff as a statement of threat.
meltingparappa
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(01-20-2013, 03:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:

[cool duder]

Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.

I'm waiting for the first person who looks like they are of middle eastern decent to exercise that right to bear arms in public, and see how loud the nuclear explosion from conservative AM radio would be.
gcubed
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(01-20-2013, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by meltingparappa

I'm waiting for the first person who looks like they are of middle eastern decent to exercise that right to bear arms in public, and see how loud the nuclear explosion from conservative AM radio would be.

They just get pushed in front of subway trains
shira
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(01-20-2013, 03:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:


Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.


Even scarier. Suits and ties. WTF do you do?
Last edited by shira; 01-20-2013 at 03:07 AM.
Gotchaye
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(01-20-2013, 03:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by IHaveCandy

The crime would be on the paranoid shooter. You shouldn't go about firing on people who don't have their weapon drawn.

This is back a ways, but would it be?

Utah's relevant self-defense law doesn't make any reference to whether or not the person you shoot is in the middle of doing something illegal. It's all about if you "reasonably believe" there's imminent danger to yourself or others. It's begging the question to say that the shooter is paranoid. What percentage of people who walk into completely non- gun-related shops carrying assault rifles don't intend harm? If the guy shifts, and it maybe looks like he's getting ready to put his hands on the gun, I expect that a decent lawyer could get the "paranoid shooter" off. Especially in the wake of Sandy Hook, when there's a reasonable fear of a wave of copycat crimes.
AppleMIX
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(01-20-2013, 03:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by grimshawish

I tend to see this stuff as a statement of threat.

I would too, why would you bring a gun to JC Pennys?
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peterb0y
(01-20-2013, 03:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gotchaye

This is back a ways, but would it be?

Utah's relevant self-defense law doesn't make any reference to whether or not the person you shoot is in the middle of doing something illegal. It's all about if you "reasonably believe" there's imminent danger to yourself or others. It's begging the question to say that the shooter is paranoid. What percentage of people who walk into completely non- gun-related shops carrying assault rifles don't intend harm? If the guy shifts, and it maybe looks like he's getting ready to put his hands on the gun, I expect that a decent lawyer could get the "paranoid shooter" off. Especially in the wake of Sandy Hook, when there's a reasonable fear of a wave of copycat crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz
Ninja Scooter
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(01-20-2013, 03:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by AppleMIX

I would too, why else would you bring a gun to JC Pennys?

You think shopping at JC Penny is a game?
Sickboy007
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(01-20-2013, 03:07 AM)
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I'd be curious to know where the OP is from, that's not a very common "international perspective" at all. Unless he's from Somalia, or trolling.
Bombadil
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(01-20-2013, 03:07 AM)


He probably has a poster of this at his home.
Instro
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(01-20-2013, 03:09 AM)
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Black Friday is going to be a blast next year.
freenudemacusers
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(01-20-2013, 03:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

You think shopping at JC Penny is a game?

There's nothing with getting shot over at a penny's. now a Barney's warehouse sale... That would clear out some elbow room.
(._.)
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(01-20-2013, 03:13 AM)
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maybe all the soft gamer nerds in this thread wouldn't feel so pitiful and scared around guys like the one at the JC Penny if they stopped crying all the time and started carrying a gun themselves
mernst23
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(01-20-2013, 03:14 AM)
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His penis must be microscopic
Kettch
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(01-20-2013, 03:16 AM)
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At least he was smart enough not to walk into a gas station convenience store like that I suppose.
Bombadil
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(01-20-2013, 03:16 AM)

Originally Posted by (._.)

maybe all the soft gamer nerds in this thread wouldn't feel so pitiful and scared around guys like the one at the JC Penny if they stopped crying all the time and started carrying a gun themselves

God damn it.
Colonel Nasty
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(01-20-2013, 03:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by (._.)

maybe all the soft gamer nerds in this thread wouldn't feel so pitiful and scared around guys like the one at the JC Penny if they stopped crying all the time and started carrying a gun themselves

Aren't the people with guns the softies? They need some self defense they can't provide themselves.
wenis
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(01-20-2013, 03:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by ReturnOfTheRAT

I'm seeing a similarity with these guys being so brazen with their public affection for their guns.

When a man wants to marry his gun... The world has finally gone mad.
meltingparappa
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(01-20-2013, 03:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Instro

Black Friday is going to be a blast next year.

9/10
Angelus Errare
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(01-20-2013, 03:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Byakuya769

Don't do that while black, non-white hispanic, or arab/persian/indian.

You're already dead.

This, carrying an AR-15 in public like that is definitely a white privilege.
ElectricBlue187
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(01-20-2013, 03:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:


Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.

guarenfuckentee there would be a shooting of some kind.
Dynamite Shikoku
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(01-20-2013, 03:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by (._.)

maybe all the soft gamer nerds in this thread wouldn't feel so pitiful and scared around guys like the one at the JC Penny if they stopped crying all the time and started carrying a gun themselves

Sarcasm detector...kind of blinking...
Thunder Monkey
(01-20-2013, 03:24 AM)
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Uh huh...

I'm from Kansas... if I'm out hunting seeing a gun is no big deal (though most of the time they are slow loading rifles). Just being in a store and someone has an AR15?

I'd be backing the fuck up quickly. No question.

Guns in public have to be the dumbest damn movement conservatives could have fought for.
jamesinclair
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(01-20-2013, 03:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:


Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.

I'd prefer this gentleman walking around the local mall



Especially if he was wearing boots and camo. I mean, whos to infringe on his freedom of clothing?
SirButterstick
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(01-20-2013, 03:25 AM)

Originally Posted by IHaveCandy

I don't see how that has to do with anything. The argument put forward was "This guy could easily kill me and others with extremely little force". That is true. The same is true in many other cases. You put your life in other people's hands all the time. And pedestrians DO get run over. It's not some absurd situation I'm bringing up. Personally, I feel quite uncomfortable walking in the same direction as traffic. I don't like how it feels. Not knowing if cars speeding behind me aren't fucking up with me being the victim. I also wouldn't like being around a person with a gun. I don't make the assumption that the person is a killer or that I am in any immediate danger. It is just off-putting. It would make me uncomfortable and I might leave. If I was the store owner, I'd ask the person to leave since it obviously is upsetting my customers. But there's no reason to panic.

Just leave your gun at home unless you're going to the range. Is it really that fucking difficult?
Xanadu
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(01-20-2013, 03:25 AM)
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why the hell is it legal to walk around with that thing? what the fuck?
teiresias
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(01-20-2013, 03:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by snoopen

Because there's legally nothing wrong with it?

Slavery used to be legal. Why did anyone complain?
Angelus Errare
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(01-20-2013, 03:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Xanadu

why the hell is it legal to walk around with that thing? what the fuck?

Something about it being a god given right, I don't know it never made sense to me. God is a colossal dick if he made guns a given right but not food, clothing, and shelter

/shrug
meltingparappa
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(01-20-2013, 03:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by SirButterstick

Just leave your gun at home unless you're going to the range. Is it really that fucking difficult?

But but but, what if you need to pick up some housewares on the way back from the range, and you rode your motorcycle there?

And then afterwards you wanted to catch a movie.

And go into a courtroom or similar government building to pick up a form.

And then pick up your kid from school -- your chances of making the news is even greater with this one!
Piggus
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(01-20-2013, 03:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by snoopen

http://current.com/community/9402581...tm?xid=RSSfeed



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iViD-iepDxg

From an international perspective, i find it hilarious that Americans are complaining about someone legally carrying an unloaded rifle in public.

From a gun-owning US American perspective I think it's one of the dumbest, most selfish things you can do as a gun owner. It makes the rest o us responsible gun owners look bad.
Thunder Monkey
(01-20-2013, 03:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Byakuya769

Keep it up gun nuts. You're doing my cause a great service.

And this is the beautiful thing about the entire situation.

THEY THINK THEY'RE HELPING THEIR CAUSE!

*laughs*
ffdgh
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(01-20-2013, 03:30 AM)
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If I ever saw that, I'd do full reverse in the opposite direction loaded or not. Better safe than sorry.
Instro
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(01-20-2013, 03:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by jamesinclair

I'd prefer this gentleman walking around the local mall



Especially if he was wearing boots and camo. I mean, whos to infringe on his freedom of clothing?

Yeah it's ok, he isn't brandishing his weapon.
Thunder Monkey
(01-20-2013, 03:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Instro

Yeah it's ok, he isn't brandishing his weapon.

Given recent (and not so recent) events... white guys are the ones carrying guns I'm scared of. White people are fucking crazy.

edit: I'm white and have a gun, see what I mean?
lednerg
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(01-20-2013, 03:43 AM)
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"I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. I have when I felt it was desirable to do so for my own protection. I know that applies in most of the instances where guns are used effectively in self-defense or in places of business and in the home. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses." -Karl T. Frederick, NRA President 1934
Phoenix
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(01-20-2013, 03:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by snoopen

http://current.com/community/9402581...tm?xid=RSSfeed



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iViD-iepDxg

From an international perspective, i find it hilarious that Americans are complaining about someone legally carrying an unloaded rifle in public.


We don't allow you to yell bomb at the airport or fire in a crowded room for the same reason that we don't want people walking around with firearms - loaded or not. This is something that can incite behaviors that will cause a situation that will get people killed.
RobotMafia
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(01-20-2013, 04:00 AM)
What a fucking crazy piece of shit.
JDSN
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(01-20-2013, 04:06 AM)
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Im from Colombia and if I were next to that guy I would call the cops. But then again, thats only my international perspective.
jon bones
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(01-20-2013, 04:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mudkips

People who panic at the mere sight of a gun are more of a problem than people who carry them in public.

yikes...

Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:


Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.

he would have been shot dead within minutes

i really think we'll only have a sensible conversation about gun control if we encourage our Islamic citizens to join the NRA and stock up on guns. there will always be people like mudkips, but we may be able to get enough sensible people on board (combined with enough racists) to actually get congress to pass something.
Tristam
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(01-20-2013, 04:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

You think shopping at JC Penny is a game?

:lol

<3 Ninja Scooter
MYE
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(01-20-2013, 04:18 AM)
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How the fuck can this be legal?
Fucking hell America :|

Originally Posted by Mudkips

People who panic at the mere sight of a gun are more of a problem than people who carry them in public.

Say what?!
Last edited by MYE; 01-20-2013 at 04:22 AM.
ohhthegore
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(01-20-2013, 04:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by MYE

How the fuck can this be legal?
Fucking hell America :|



Say what?!

its our god given right commie!

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